Ninja Vs Samurai.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

Who wins ?.

[Endless Mike]

Just any ninja vs. any samurai?

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

Yes. But Im not talking about fictional Ninjas or Samurais. Real ones.

[Giovanni Rild]

Yes. But Im not talking about fictional Ninjas or Samurais. Real ones.

Tie, then. Neither are really superior over the other.

[DeepThought]

Ninjas were created to get the jobs done that a Samirai couldn't/wouldn't

(assassinations, espionage, laundry)

[RaTBoYs]

ninja's in tight spaces since their swords are pretty short and maneuver better in tight spaces while samurais will probably have the advantage in wide spaces cuz of the range on their swords.

[Endless Mike]

Samurai would win in a straight - up fight, but a ninja would kill a samurai by sneaking up on them and assassinating them.

[Giovanni Rild]

ninja's in tight spaces since their swords are pretty short and maneuver better in tight spaces while samurais will probably have the advantage in wide spaces cuz of the range on their swords.

Samurai had Wakizashi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakizashi)

[Vicious]

ninjas got them beat in every way. samurai's r only good with swords, ninja's train with swords aswell as other objects.
Ninja's FTW.........

[Endless Mike]

No, ninja swords were of much lower quality than Samurai swords and they were much less proficient with them.

Ninjas were trained for sneaking around and assassination missions, not true combat.

[Giovanni Rild]

ninjas got them beat in every way. samurai's r only good with swords, ninja's train with swords aswell as other objects.
Ninja's FTW.........

Are you high? Samurai are trained with many weapoms of war.

The samurai used various weapons, but the katana is the weapon that is synonymous with samurai. Bushido taught that a samurai's soul is their katana and sometimes a samurai is pictured as entirely dependent on the katana for fighting. This contrasted with the crossbows of Europe or the swords of knights which were, principally, tools for combat. However the use of swords did not become common in battle until the Kamakura period (1185-1333), where the Tachi and Uchigatana (the direct predecesor to the katana) became prevalent. The Katana itself did not become the primary weapon until the Edo period.

After a male child of the bushi was born, he would receive his first sword in a ceremony called mamori-gatana. The sword, however, was merely a charm sword covered with brocade to which was attached a purse or wallet, worn by children under five. Upon reaching the age of thirteen, in a ceremony called Genbuku (元服), a male child was given his first real swords and armour, an adult name, and became a samurai. A katana and a wakizashi together are called a daisho (lit. "big and small").

The wakizashi itself was a samurai's "honour blade" and purportedly never left the samurai's side. He would sleep with it under his pillow and it would be taken with him when he entered a house and had to leave his main weapons outside.

The Tanto was a small dagger sometimes worn with the Wakizashi in a daisho. The tanto or the wakizashi was used to commit seppuku, a ritualized suicide.
Samurai helmet with a half-face mask, made of leather and iron, Edo period, 17th century. Asian Art Museum of San Francisco.
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Samurai helmet with a half-face mask, made of leather and iron, Edo period, 17th century. Asian Art Museum of San Francisco.

The samurai stressed skill with the yumi (longbow), reflected in the art of kyudo(lit. the way of the bow). The bow would remain a critical component of the Japanese military even with the introduction of firearms during the Sengoku Jidai period. The yumi, an asymmetric composite bow made from bamboo, wood, and leather, was not as powerful as the Eurasian reflex composite bow, having an effective range of 50 metres or less (100 metres if accuracy was not an issue). It was usually used on foot behind a tedate (手盾), a large and mobile bamboo wall, but shorter versions (hankyu) could also be used from horseback. The practice of shooting from horseback became a Shinto ceremony of Yabusame (流鏑馬).

In the 15th century, the yari (spear) also became a popular weapon, displacing along with the naginata from the battlefield as personal bravery became less of a factor and battles became more organized around massed, inexpensive foot troops. A charge, mounted or dismounted, was more effective when using a spear than a katana and it offered better than even odds against a samurai using a katana. In the Battle of Shizugatake where Shibata Katsuie was defeated by Toyotomi Hideyoshi, then known as Hashiba Hideyoshi, the Seven Spearmen of Shizugatake (賤ヶ岳七本槍) played a crucial role in the victory.

The latter half of the 16th Century saw the introduction of the arquebus in Japan through Portuguese trade, enabling warlords to raise effective armies from masses of peasants. The new weapons were highly controversial. Their ease of use and deadly effectiveness was perceived by many as a dishonorable affront to Bushido tradition. Oda Nobunaga made deadly use of the arquebus at the Battle of Nagashino in 1575, leading to the end of the Takeda clan. After their initial introduction by the Portuguese and the Dutch, the matchlock arquebus, or teppo, were produced on a large scale by Japanese gunsmiths. By the end of the 16th Century, there were more firearms in Japan than in any European nation, with largely superior craftsmanship. Teppo, employed en masse largely by ashigaru peasant foot troops were in many ways the antithesis of samurai valor. With the establishment of the Tokugawa shogunate and an end to civil war, production of the guns declined sharply with prohibitions to ownership. By the Tokugawa Shogunate most spear-based weapons had been phased out partly because they were suboptimal for the close-quarter combat common in the Edo period, this combined with the aforementioned restrictions on fire-arms resulted in the Daisho being the only weapons typically carried by samurai.

Some other weapons used by samurai were jo, bo, grenade, Chinese trebuchets (more as an anti-personnel weapon than a siege engine) and cannon (infrequently and at great expense).

[NecroAngel]

Ninjas were actually somewhat intelligent.

Samurais, didn't believe in fleeing and such and generally believed in a lot of nonsense, like ban zai charging regardless of the fact the opponents had guns.

Ninjas would own.

[RaTBoYs]

samurai is superior to ninja's in swordsmanship. also like stated before ninja's are for stealth missions not actual combat.

[DeepThought]

Ninja's have no code of honor. They use caltrops, poison pepper dust, and anything else that will get the job done.

Samurai are at a moral disadvantage.

[Vicious]

No, ninja swords were of much lower quality than Samurai swords and they were much less proficient with them.

Ninjas were trained for sneaking around and assassination missions, not true combat.

no, ninja's are trained in every catogory(typo) they trained for close combat h2h combat long range combat pretty much everything, and samurai's r only skilled with swords and close combat.

[Endless Mike]

Jack of all trades, master of none. Not a good strategy.

[Giovanni Rild]

no, ninja's are trained in every catogory(typo) they trained for close combat h2h combat long range combat pretty much everything, and samurai's r only skilled with swords and close combat.

yep, you ignored that long page of the weapons tht Samurai use. Ninja aren't special

[BattousaiMS]

Ninjas were created to get the jobs done that a Samirai couldn't/wouldn't

(assassinations, espionage, laundry)

Actually it's more on the like what is considered dishonorable thus done by people with no official names.

So in the real world, Samurai and Ninja's weren't much different in their jobs, just that Samurai would do the jobs that are considered honorable like challeging duels, escorting and fighting openly in a battle. While ninjas would do what is considered somewhat dishonorable like assasination ala backstab, poisioning, hidden information gathering and so on. Both did assasinations, just that one came with a mandate the other didn't.

If you want to compare Samurai vs. Ninja in real life think of them as the following: Samurai = FBI, Ninja = CIA.

So in terms of who would win in a fight general it is pretty much unpredicatable since well both are pretty even interms of hand to hand and weapon skills. It just comes on the line as who get's the advance warning, like if a ninja knows his opponent in advance he may try to poision him to gain an advantage, while if a Samurai knows he is facing a ninja he may be extra careful and so on.

[Vicious]

yep, you ignored that long page of the weapons tht Samurai use. Ninja aren't special

hahaha not true ninja have better weapons then samurai's and ninjas are more tactical than samurai's.

Weapons combat:
Specialized weapons and tactics
Ninja also employed a variety of weapons and tricks using gunpowder. Smoke bombs and firecrackers were widely used to aid an escape or create a diversion for an attack. They used timed fuses to delay explosions. Ōzutsu (cannons) they constructed could be used to launch fiery sparks as well as projectiles at a target. Small "bombs" called metsubushi (目潰し, "eye closers") were filled with sand and sometimes metal dust. This sand would be carried in bamboo segments or in hollowed eggs and thrown at someone, the shell would crack, and the assailant blinded. Even land mines were constructed that used a mechanical fuse or a lit, oil-soaked string. Secrets of making desirable mixes of gunpowder were strictly guarded in many ninja clans. Other forms of trickery were said to be used for escaping and combat. Ashiaro are wooden pads attached to the ninja's tabi (thick socks with a separate "toe" for bigger toe; used with sandals). The ashiaro would be carved to look like an animal's paw, or a child's foot, allowing the ninja to leave tracks that most likely would not be tracked. Also a small ring worn on a ninja's finger called a shobo would be used for hand-to-hand combat. The shobo (or as known in many styles of ninjutsu, the shabo) would have a small notch of wood used to hit assailant's pressure points for sharp pain to sometimes cause temporary paralysis. A suntetsu is very similar to a shobo. It could be a small oval shaped piece of wood affixed to the finger by a small strap. The suntetsu would be held against a finger (mostly middle) on the palm-side and when the hand was thrusted at an opponent, the longer piece of wood would be used to hit the pressure points.

Ninja are attributted with originating the style ninjutsu, which has similarities with jujutsu and kenjutsu. Ninjutsu (or Ninpo) closely resembles jujutsu, in that it uses the enemy's momentum and force against him, and in its usage of joint manipulation and leverages against the wrist, knee, shoulder, etc. There is very little blocking in most styles of ninjutsu, with the emphasis relying on evasionary movements. Such a technique might include simply dropping underneath a punch and striking the groin.


Tools and weapons
Ninja are said to have made use of weapons that could be easily concealed or disguised as common tools, the bo, and handclaws (shuko, neko-te tekagi) probably being the most famous, except for the amazing shuriken (throwing stars), popularized by comic book mail order advertisements. Kunai (a gardening tool) were also a popular weapon as they could be hidden easily or carried if the ninja was disguised as a gardener. It was the equivalent of a utility knife, often used to pry or cut rather than fight. The makibishi (tetsu-bishi), a type of caltrop made of iron spikes, is also famous. It could be thrown on the ground to injure a pursuer's feet or thrown out on an enemy's escape path so that the targets could be cut down or shot down with bows and arrows while they looked for another escape route, but it could also be covered with poison so the victim would die slowly.

In popular folklore, ninja also used special short swords called ninja-ken (or ninja-tō see below for explanation), or "shinobigatana" (Note the avoidance of the term 'ninja', but inclusion of the term shinobi, a synonym). Ninja-ken are smaller than katana but larger than wakizashi. The ninja-to was often more of a utilitarian tool than a weapon, not having the complex heat treatment of a usual weapon. Another version of the ninja sword was the shikoro ken (saw sword). The shikoro ken was said to be used to gain entry into buildings, and could also have a double use by cutting (or slashing in this case) opponents.

One known tool used by ninja is irogome (literally, "colored rice"). Irogome was uncooked rice seeds colored in five or six different colors: red, black, white, yellow, blue, and sometimes brown. They would be placed on the ground or handed to a ninja from a ninja. Each combination carried certain meanings like "all clear" or "an enemy check point is ahead".

[Endless Mike]

Are you getting the point of the "jack of all trades, master of none" line yet?

[ezxx]

ninjas would win in a fight

ninjas fight to win, they don't fight like samurais do with chivalry and such

[Giovanni Rild]

ninjas would win in a fight

ninjas fight to win, they don't fight like samurais do with chivalry and such

Chivalry is a european concept. what the hell are you talking about? It's Bushido

[blacklusterseph004]

I'd like to say samurai, but in a no holds barred scenario, I think the ninja's would win. Assuming that samurai swordsmanship is over and beyond a ninja's is false. Top tier ninja swordsmanship is on par with a samurai's, mainly because of the differences in how they use the weapons. Ninjas' primary targets were samurai afterall. If they couldn't kill them covertly, they were perfectly capable of engaging them headon, thanks to the specialized weapons they employ.

[BattousaiMS]

I'd like to say samurai, but in a no holds barred scenario, I think the ninja's would win. Assuming that samurai swordsmanship is over and beyond a ninja's is false. Top tier ninja swordsmanship is on par with a samurai's, mainly because of the differences in how they use the weapons. Ninjas' primary targets were samurai afterall. If they couldn't kill them covertly, they were perfectly capable of engaging them headon, thanks to the specialized weapons they employ.

It's a wide misconception to assume that samurai only know how to fight with swords. In reality Samurai know as much weapon manipulation as a ninja do. Just that they dont use things like garrots and claw gloves and stuff (they use kunai though). So if this is a one on one head to head battle the Ninja and Samurai are pretty much on par.

[Nice Gai]

Wasnt Kenshin Barrely Conscious and bleeding whooped those ninjas. We all saw what happened in Last Samurai the Ninjas looked bad ass for a minute then the Samurais got right.

[Gunshin]

In Japanese black history, Nobunaga crushed all the ninja. Although its also said that Nobunaga lost the first battle with the Iga when he already had a larger quantity of troops.

[BattousaiMS]

In Japanese black history, Nobunaga crushed all the ninja. Although its also said that Nobunaga lost the first battle with the Iga when he already had a larger quantity of troops.

Nobunaga didn't crush lah, he got smarter and used ninja versus ninja. Mainly of his generals had ninjas working under them too mainly Tokugawa with his famous buddy Hattori Hanzo.

[jplaya2023]

A ninja would rape(no kobe) a samuri. They're more experienced, more versatile, better fighters, uses a variety of weapons in battle, advanced stealth for sneaking and more ruthless than a samuri in general.

A fictional account would be someone like samuri jack fighting kakashi. Curbstomp

[Gunshin]

Nobunaga didn't crush lah, he got smarter and used ninja versus ninja. Mainly of his generals had ninjas working under them too mainly Tokugawa with his famous buddy Hattori Hanzo.
That was the version I was told in Japan. Keep in mind that its all considered black history as well. There really is no proof of any confrotation.

[Red]

Samurai wtf Yeah dammit:yell

[Goodfellow]

Well, Samurais were actual WARRIORS. That means they got some nifty body armor and bigger swords. That makes a huge difference. Fights might be wwon by skills, but usually, it's about the bigger and better gun. (A metafor, becouse with guns, it doesn't really matter, as long as you get a BOOM HEADSHOT, but nwm =P)

But the ninja would probably just try to sneak in and gut him while he is taking care of his garden or something anyway.

[Nice Gai]

A ninja would rape(no kobe) a samuri. They're more experienced, more versatile, better fighters, uses a variety of weapons in battle, advanced stealth for sneaking and more ruthless than a samuri in general.

A fictional account would be someone like samuri jack fighting kakashi. Curbstomp

Well Jack has the Shinobi of light thing so he wouldnt lose to Kakashi. Ninja vs Ninja. Jack is both.

[jplaya2023]

Well Jack has the Shinobi of light thing so he wouldnt lose to Kakashi. Ninja vs Ninja. Jack is both.

ELABORATE POR FAVOR

and jack cant defend his head being in another dimension

[Rice Ball]

In open combat, Samurai. (Assuming both have the same expertise level in there fields)

However a Ninja given preptime to assasinate a Samurai could do it with relative ease.

[~Shin~]

All samurais know is swordsmanship while ninjas have a wide variety of ways to win a fight. They could sneak up on them, evade them, and have projectile weapons so ninjas ftw

[konflikti]

In open combat, Samurai. (Assuming both have the same expertise level in there fields)

However a Ninja given preptime to assasinate a Samurai could do it with relative ease.

I'm thinking samurai with preptime to assasinate a ninja would probably succeed too.

[ezxx]

Samurai's can't assassinate, that's one of the reasons ninja had to be created

it went against their code of ethics, whatever it was called T_T it's something like chivalry

[*uzumaki-naruto*]

i swear Samurai's can assaniate caused it happened in samurai X (i know bad example)

[laughingman]

Samurais do assasinations--the story of the 47 ronin proves that. Samurai run from battles and backstab their lords. They kill civilians and burn cities. Bushido is followed by samurai the same way knights actually followed chivalry. When push came to shove no one gave their life for a code of ethics, at least before Tokugawa. Bushido was largely promoted by the Japanese government for WWII.

[blacklusterseph004]

It's a wide misconception to assume that samurai only know how to fight with swords. In reality Samurai know as much weapon manipulation as a ninja do. Just that they dont use things like garrots and claw gloves and stuff (they use kunai though). So if this is a one on one head to head battle the Ninja and Samurai are pretty much on par.While you are right, I never said that Samurai only fight with swords. What you will find is a difference in specialized weapons. The main targets of ninja were samurai, and they would most likely bring the particular weapon required to negate whatever weapon the samurai is carrying.

[Khamzul]

I have allways assumed that a Ninja would have the advantage in long rage combat and confined spaces, since they have better speed an moveability (because Samurai's use armor). The following is based on impression of samurais and ninjas in general, which quite possibly, is wrong. I still think they should be quite right though. I'm assuming that neither part has a bow, but the the ninja has a poisonus senbon shooter (those pipes that you use to shoot with - don't remember the word for it). The ninja don't get all his tools though, since that would go beyond standard gear.

So in an arena match a Samurai would win when he got close range - which he probably would, considering his resistance to ranged attacks (armor).

However, in a confined space (house, castle) the ninja would gain an advantage, considering his ability to move around more freely with lesser body weight and better flexibility. Furthermore a assult would be easier to set up during such a scenario.

In a forest I will give the ninja the advantage again - easier to set up assult, hiding in trees and evading and stopping enemy attacks.

[vagnard]

Like others have said. Samurai were better fighters in a duel. They were wealthy and could afford better training a swords. In a open field ninjas can win with sneaky attacks. They were like commandos from today....they have techniques of assassination because they needed to kill quickly instead to involve in a proper fight.

[TheGreenSamurai78]

Of course I Win...

[Rice Ball]

The main problem a Samurai would have is a real Ninja would stay ranged and throw everything he has.

[Nice Gai]

ELABORATE POR FAVOR

and jack cant defend his head being in another dimension

He turns his Outfit inside out and becomes a white shinobi. Prob the best episode. He fought a shinobi of darkness. Once you see that episode you will understand that Kakashi wont beat him.

[jplaya2023]

He turns his Outfit inside out and becomes a white shinobi. Prob the best episode. He fought a shinobi of darkness. Once you see that episode you will understand that Kakashi wont beat him.

youtube link?

and even so how does he fend off being sent ot another dimension

[Graham Aker]

well, ninjas are more diverse than samurais, as they are taught stealth, balance, throwing projectiles, resourcefullness, human anatomy, besides ninjutsu martial arts...
samurais, are only taught kenjutsu, some judo and aikido at times just kenjutsu alone...

still, terrain will play a huge part, if its an open space, a samurai could probably win, if he manages to dodge the ninjas projectiles...
in a forest, ninjas mostly take it...they ahve, the element of surprise and the covering of the trees to hide them...

[Nice Gai]

youtube link?

and even so how does he fend off being sent ot another dimension

There you go. Just got a good idea I am going to turn thia into a match.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O83Iay0BCM

Kakashi cant shoot remember and only got like arms from Deidara and was tired as hell. So if he gets Jack's arms Jack can still literally kick his ass.

[jplaya2023]

There you go. Just got a good idea I am going to turn thia into a match.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O83Iay0BCM

Kakashi cant shoot remember and only got like arms from Deidara and was tired as hell. So if he gets Jack's arms Jack can still literally kick his ass.

diedra was over 5000 meters in the air, kakashi had a hard time aiming and hitting a moving target. Kakashi can send a couple bushins at jack and hit him with it when the time is right

[kennethnarutofan]

you suck for asking that :laserbeam

[Endless Mike]

A ninja would rape(no kobe) a samuri. They're more experienced, more versatile, better fighters, uses a variety of weapons in battle, advanced stealth for sneaking and more ruthless than a samuri in general.

A fictional account would be someone like samuri jack fighting kakashi. Curbstomp

Right, curbstomp in Jack's favor.

Now try all Naruto characters vs. Kyo:evil

[Sasori]

diedra was over 5000 meters in the air, kakashi had a hard time aiming and hitting a moving target. Kakashi can send a couple bushins at jack and hit him with it when the time is rightSamurai JAck can dodge lazers and shit.

He can probably move faster and more agile than what Deidara was doing.

Also, it takes time for Kakashi to even start up his MS.

And even then, he has like only one chance, because after that, he's exhausted.

[Endless Mike]

And does jplaya even know how much 5000 meters is?

That's 5 kilometers.

Maybe 500 meters.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

@jplaya: Kakashi <<< Jack.