Destiny Gundam?

[dspr8_rugged]

I, for one, have been wondering if Shinn will be getting a new Gundam in the middle of the Destiny series... that for now, we can call Destiny Gundam.

Unless there's an official announcement of this new Gundam if it exists, please change the title...

If Destiny follows the "Gundam standard", that is...

1. Every AU series' (except for Turn A which I haven't seen yet...) protagonist gets a second Gundam unit, that is supposed to kick ass better than the first Gundam the protagonist used.

2. And some series showed that the second Gundam unit comes from the "enemy", i.e.,
-Gundam Double X was from the New Federation...
-Freedom Gundam was from ZAFT...
-God Gundam was I think from the "enemy" as well though, I forgot who it was...

And for Destiny, it may be from the Earth Alliance, maybe a GAT-X model or something...

Of course, these are just my predictions.

Anyway, what are your predictions on Shinn's next Gundam? And what do you will happen to Impulse?

Silly and serious comments are accepted. :)

[Chopstickx]

i think Shinn is gonna get a new gundam too =)
but wouldnt it be funny if he got a new gundam called "Liberty Gundam" and got "Asteroid" to come with it? :laugh

[Mith252000]

Well, only for G Gundam, both of the main Gundams are by the same side. So, they could be from the side for Destiny. :smile-big

[kevin77]

euh... didn't God gundam appear from some kind flower asteroid?

Anyways, Shinn's next gundam is probably gonna be better than Freedom. Hopefully it will have some kind of funnel system.

Impulse will probably be given to Rey. Poor guy...eternal second.

[Hayate]

He should get a new Gundam, as Impulse is pretty crappy. At least with Athrun and Savior which you know is gonna kick ass.

[Mindless]

Of course he's going to get himself a new gundam, but it's quite hard to guess what it will be like.

When you saw the Strike in SEED you thought "Wow, that's a kick ass gundam!". But then when you saw Freedom, you didn't even compare it to the Strike, it was that much cooler and more powerful.

As we have seen before, gundams don't have to be mechs standing on two legs. Look at the G-Falcon from Gundam X for example, I think it's really cool. I can't see how the Destiny would be more powerful than the Freedom. I mean, Freedom packs some heavy fire power (two big red laser cannons, two yellow lasers, and his rifle) and combined with the Freedoms manuverability, it's quite hard to make a more complete gundam than Freedom. And we have to think of the design, sure, you could make a thing with more firepower than the Freedom, but gundams have either been robots walking on two legs, or robots able to transform into aircraft, and have always looked cool, at least the main characters gundams (Gundam Zero, Freedom, Double X etc. etc.)

We'll just have to wait and see what the future of Gundam SEED Destiny holds. It might be a kick ass gundam, but I hardly think it will surpass the Freedom. And we have to think of the one behind the "wheels" too.

Kira > Shinn (for now)

[eroda]

plus freedom is nuclear powered as well

[Kyuubi~~]

Mayb i think about 20-30+ impulse will be destroyed and a new gundam will appear mayb the name of Destiny.. then it will have a neutron jammer and wings like freedom..but i still like impulse when he uses sword mode the colour is cool and the 2 swords is like invincible

[Kiba-kun]

When you saw the Strike in SEED you thought "Wow, that's a kick ass gundam!". But then when you saw Freedom, you didn't even compare it to the Strike, it was that much cooler and more powerful.

Aww, I always thought Strike looked so much better than Freedom...the triple pack system was so original, the design so sleek...Freedom's torso vents annoy me, and it doesn't have the same sleek, awesome design as the first 5.

Impulse is just horrible, for the most part >_< Very, very ugly MS...I quite like Sword mode, though. I really hope Shinn's next MS will improve on it. Boo to SEED-D mecha designs!

[O-ushi]

I think how good a gundam looks depends upon how the Pilot controls it. Remember how cool it looked when Mu in Strike was dodging all of the Beams from Creuset's Providence Gundams Funnels? Remember how Kira make Freedom look cool when he weaves it in and out and he fires all those laser beams and deflects enemy beams with his Sabers? Its the same with Zakus, there all techinacally the same but Rey and Athrun makes Zaku look cool and Lunamaria makes them look awful........okay maybe not (Hides from Lunamaria fans)

[megaim]

Well imo the main reason mwu could dodge that well vs providence is b/c they were both newtypes...:/ The whole wings thing in the op resembling freedom is kinda feh to me

[Ha-ri]

I personaly think Shinn should die and Athurin should get the new unit. Plus the Impulse reminds me of Gundam(god I hated it so dam much) I hope it blows up in a fight against ORB.

[Mindless]

Well, if you read my big post on page 88 in the Gundam SEED Destiny thread you can see what Shinn's new gundam will look like. It's very much alike the Freedom but when it uses it's boosters, the blast from them form angel-like wings, looks kind of cool.

Also, we have been speaking a bit about the possibility of Kira getting the "Destiny" gundam. Why? Well, at the new ending you see him and lacus infront of it reaching for eachothers hands. However, that's just a though, probably won't happen. :P

[Kiba-kun]

Isn't that Kira? *Puzzled* They do look pretty similar, I guess...

[Son_Pan]

ehhh, im getting confused now from all this extra info!

[dspr8_rugged]

Well, if you read my big post on page 88 in the Gundam SEED Destiny thread you can see what Shinn's new gundam will look like. It's very much alike the Freedom but when it uses it's boosters, the blast from them form angel-like wings, looks kind of cool.
Yeah, I've seen that post and the sequence where in came from. At first, I went, "What the heck?!" because it resembles Freedom. I mean, the Impulse Gundam is a complete copy of the Strike, and I first thought that the new Gundam will be in the same line. I hope not.

[Mith252000]

Shin and Kira would likely work together with their respective Gundams. Anyway, isn't it said that Destiny is a sister unit of Freedom? While Freedom is best for long-range attacks and barrages, Destiny could be more for close-ranged attacks.Notice the boomerangs on its back? Also, I wonder what the big Gundam's name is? :smile-big

[Raegan]

Wait i thought this was jus a prediction thread? Are you guys like already taking for granted that Shinn's future gundam will be called Destiny?

[Mith252000]

Err, actually, it is confirmed by Fukuda, the director of Destiny. It was also mentioned in Netype Japan. :smile-big

[~RAGING BONER~]

i think Destiny gundam is featured in the new Opening...albeit in shadows...it has energy wings.

[Mindless]

Think it is? Actually to tell you the truth.... It IS in it.

And that has been old news since saturday last weekend when the new opening first aired. :P

[~RAGING BONER~]

oh dear...thats so hurtful.

anyway, who thinx Assran gets a new Gundam? Saviour seems less powerful and all around punier than Justice was...

[Wave]

oh dear...thats so hurtful.

anyway, who thinx Assran gets a new Gundam? Saviour seems less powerful and all around punier than Justice was...
but Saviour looks cooler =o
it has two buster cannons in its jet form.
plus, if he gets a new gundam then just becomes a habit for athrun to ditch the ms he's owned in the past.

[Raegan]

but Saviour looks cooler =o
it has two buster cannons in its jet form.
plus, if he gets a new gundam then just becomes a habit for athrun to ditch the ms he's owned in the past.

Cooler? I don't know man. Y doesn't Zaft jus make another nuclear powered Gundam? I mean wat else can be better than a nuclear powered gundam???
Unless if Destiny is nuclear powered...

[Jake]

Maybe it was in the peace treaty between ZAFT and EA that they wouldnt make nuclear powered machines!? just a thought there though..

[Tanon]

Well, if that is the Destiny in the intro and outro...I'll be sorely dissapointed. Especially in the outro, it looks EXACTLY like the Freedom, down to the rail cannons on it's hips and wing spread. But then again, the completed Impulse and Strike sans packs look almostly exactly alike; even in Aile/Force mode. So who knows. Regarding nuclear power; I think it's easier to mass-produce and create suits using battery power instead of nuclear fusion engines like on the Justice and Freedom. Either that, or it was part of the treaty. I mean, all of the new suits (Chaos, Gaia, Abyss, Impulse, Saviour, Zakus) use batteries. Since the five Gundams were created concurrently with the Zakus, GuAIZ Rs, and Goufs (the orange suit in the intro), they probably didn't have the manpower, time, and necessary parts to make all of them nuclear. But who knows? There's been no real explanation up til now.

[Nite]

oh dear...thats so hurtful.

anyway, who thinx Assran gets a new Gundam? Saviour seems less powerful and all around punier than Justice was...
From what I've heard, Saviour is supposedly better than Justice in every way other than the nuclear power. =\

I agree with Wave though, Saviour is cooler than Justice, the only this I liked about Justice were the beam boomerangs.

[Tanon]

^^^ See, that doesn't make sense to me. For all intents and purposes, the Freedom (and thus, the Justice, it's supposed equal in combat) are drastically more powerful than their new age counterparts. At least, that's how it looks to me. If that were true, the Saviour is either weaker than the Justice, or it's drastically more powerful than the other four Gundams. Bah, it's confusing at times :(

[Wave]

^^^ See, that doesn't make sense to me. For all intents and purposes, the Freedom (and thus, the Justice, it's supposed equal in combat) are drastically more powerful than their new age counterparts. At least, that's how it looks to me. If that were true, the Saviour is either weaker than the Justice, or it's drastically more powerful than the other four Gundams. Bah, it's confusing at times :(

well it seems that you're right about the Justice being weaker than Justice and Saviour being more powerful than the other 4 ZAFT Gundams, but Freedom = Justice.....no way!

Freedom has 2 x M100 "Balaena" plasma beam cannon, stored in wings, mounted over shoulders in use in HiMAT mode; 2 x MMI-M15 "Xiphias" rail cannon!!!! Justice has a beam boomerang and a ton of weapons (just like Calamity).

so Freedom > Justice imo

[Tanon]

Freedom has 2 x M100 "Balaena" plasma beam cannon, stored in wings, mounted over shoulders in use in HiMAT mode; 2 x MMI-M15 "Xiphias" rail cannon!!!! Justice has a beam boomerang and a ton of weapons (just like Calamity).

so Freedom > Justice imo

Well, that's part of the reason I said 'supposed equal'; but if you think about it, if the Freedom and Justice fought, it would have ended in a deadlock, similar to Aegis v. Strike. The Justice's backpack may not have been as powerful as the Freedom's cannons, but it's versatility when compared is unmatched- the fact that Athrun could remotely pilot it WHILE engaged with an enemy gives it great strength. Thing is, they both were around the same in strength; they were the Hero Gundams. Plus, they both used the METEORs, so :-\ In coolness though, I agree Freedom > Justice; in theoretical power, I think they're far closer to being even.

[kevin77]

Freedom has 2 x M100 "Balaena" plasma beam cannon, stored in wings, mounted over shoulders in use in HiMAT mode; 2 x MMI-M15 "Xiphias" rail cannon!!!! Justice has a beam boomerang and a ton of weapons (just like Calamity).

Whoa! u gettin technical here. I'm getting lost in all this jargon lmao.

I gotta agree with the fact that freedom > justice. That boomrang thing is so useless and its only purpose is to own n00bs. However, i will have a tough time getting over the fact that Saviour > Justice. the latter looks so plain and weak. Justice was cooler IMHO.

EDIT: as Tanon pointed, if they are both using meteor, there is no difference between the 2 mechs.

[Chillin]

I do believe Freedom is the better suit. Luckily Athrun didn't go after Kira seeing as how Kira looks like the slightly better pilot in the slightly better mobile suit. Justice seems to own Savior though, but I guess I'll have to see how Athrun makes use of Savior.

[Tanon]

Here's a link to their stats and stuff:

Freedom: http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/seed/zgmf-x10a.htm
Weapons: 2 x MA-M01 "Lacerta" beam saber, stored on hips, hand-carried in use; 2 x MMI-GAU2 "Picus" 76mm CIWS, fire-linked, mounted on head; 2 x M100 "Balaena" plasma beam cannon, stored in wings, mounted over shoulders in use in HiMAT mode; 2 x MMI-M15 "Xiphias" rail cannon, folded underneath hips, spread out in use in HiMAT (High Mobility Aerial Tactics) mode

Justice: http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/seed/zgmf-x09a.htm
Weapons: 2 x MA-M01 "Lacerta" beam saber, stored on hips, hand-carried in use; 2 x MMI-GAU1 "Sagittus" 20mm CIWS, fire-linked, mounted in head; 2 x RQM51 beam boomerang, mounted on shoulders, hand-carried in use; backpack/subflight lifter: 2 x M9M9 "Cervus" turret machine gun; 2 x MA-4B "Fortis" beam cannon, mounted over shoulders in HiMAT (High Mobility Aerial Tactics) mode; 4 x GAU5 "Volucris" machine gun

Really, armament wise, they're pretty even; the Freedom has the slightly more powerful weapons (the Balaena plasma cannons and Xiphais rail cannons) while the Justice has a bit more plentiful weaponry (the Fortis cannons, and various machine guns/cannons). I honestly think they're very even suits; and both Athrun and Kira are amazing pilots (I think Kira is a bit better, as well). Plus, as i said before, the Justice has more versatility; most of it's cannon weaponry are on it's backpack, which it can detatch and pilot remotely, allowing it to attack from two directions at once. So, I still think it's a tossup.

[kevin77]

Oh well, we'll see how Saviour will do in comparison to Freedom. If by hypothesis Saviour>Justice and Kira~Asu, then if freedom turns out to be better than Saviour, than freedom > Justice. If however, freedom < Saviour, then Freedom ~ Justice.

Oh man, freaking 1:15 am, gotta go to bed!

[xeleron]

Justice was more effective against the 3 druggies though, or maybe athrun was just a better pilot.

[Tanon]

Kira really didn't fight the druggies as long as Athrun did; besides, both were using their METEORs, which made the two suits' abilities null, as they didn't use their own weaponry. Besides, Yzak wiped 'em out too fast :p

[Chillin]

Oh yeah I seem to remember Yzak taking out both Raider and Forbidden. What the hell was that? It was cool though, especially how he destoryed Forbidden.

[Tanon]

More than anything, I think it was the writer's way to make Yzak more badass. I mean, he was Kira's bitch for so long, he HAD to have some legitamacy at th end, right? :p Plus, I think he was just a cool character overall. And the fact that he took them out with what was really the weakest/most basic of the Gundams (the Duel) when he was fighting the three uber-Gundams...shows just how much ass he could kick. Which is why I'm kinda surprised that Dearka and Yzak are using Zakus now instead of the Buster and Duel. What happened to them?

[Chillin]

I had always liked Yzak, but his actions at the end just sweetened the deal for me. I was just a bit confused because I know how Kira beat his ass all the time. As for the suits, at the very least I know Buster was heavily damaged, and by then (the end of the war) ZAFT had moved on to bigger and better things behind the scenes. It also seems both Yzak's and Dearka's Zakus are equivalent to their respective Gundams.

[Tanon]

Eh, I don't know. Seemingly, the only surviving suits (non-mass produced wise) that made it to Destiny are the Strike Rouge and Freedom. IF the Strike Rouge is still effective versus the enemies they face (which I assume it will be) then I highly doubt that the Buster (which didn't take any more damage in that battle than the Freedom did) and Duel (which didn't take any real significant damage I can recall) would have been scrapped, or deemed useless. Ah well, at least they get the amazingly badass Zakus XD I can't wait for the Gouf; it was one of my favorite Zeon suits from MSG.

[Chillin]

I believe they may have built and based some things off of the Buster and Duel (like stuff for the Zaku Gunner, Warrior, and Phantom), but since it isn't really their style to use anything but mono-eye suits, I guess they just scrapped them. The answer could be as simple as that :laugh Plus you know Gundam is a dirty word, you're only supposed to use it during times of war, otherwise you'll have people breathing down your necks constantly. Other than that either destory it or keep it top secret until that time comes.

[Tanon]

Aye, good point. Maybe now that war's back, they'll crack the old Gundams back out. Who knows? Maybe they've gotten upgrades since we've last seen 'em. The Assault Shroud on the Duel was awesome, but I bet they could make it look even better. 8)


EDIT:

Some new information I discovered...while looking at the official Destiny site with my auto-translate on my Firefox browser, I picked this up looking at the Impulse' profile

"It was the up-to-date machine of the ザフト troop MS who was developed after the concluding of the uni- mortar treaty, the fuselage robbery in アーモリーワン was escaped, the embarkation fuselage of the thin ground mosquito.
Because use of the nuclear engine is prohibited by treaty, the デƒ…ートリオンビーム transmission of electricity system is adopted anew. This is the mechanism which makes the supply of energy with the wireless possible from remote place, the mother ship exists if with this, the energy being cut off was gone (basically is but). In addition various game bureaus responding by adopting the armament conversion mechanism which is called the cockpit and the silhouette system of deformation possible independent formation in the fighter plane, core splendor, it is possible to make strategy correspond instantaneously."

I bolded the important part of that statement (it's realllllly hard to read, because it was Babelfished). So, it seems that nuclear engines WERE banned along with nuclear weapons. Well, that ends that discussion ^_^

[Raegan]

Hey yeah, they also never explained why duel and buster disappeared. I mean who here actually thinks tat Yzak's and Deakka's Zakus are better than duel and buster?

[Mindless]

Well, Dearka uses the same Zaku Warrior as Lunamaria does, all that is different is that Dearka's is green and Luna's is Red. Yzak's unit seems to pack som firepower despite it not beeing a gundam-class mobile suit. If my memory serves it was called "Sierra Antares", not just the simple "Zaku". And I actually think that unit is cool. Thoes gatling lasers on the shoulders make it quite powerful, and that big halberd is quite cool too.

And to be honest with you: If they where to carry gundams, it would be no use for the enemy to fight them. They would just get beat back to kingdom come. Seeing how they kicked the asses of Chaos and Abyss when thoes guys dropped Junius-7, they are quite skillful after all :P (you don't really see their talent when Kira is up against people, his way of fighting is just.... morifying (SEE KIRA CHOPPING OFF YZAK'S LEGS IN GUNDAM SEED IN ALASKA))

By the way Raegan: What's the "Return to Escaflowne" anime you have in your sig? Is there really a follow up on Visions or Escaflowne? Or is it simply a spelling error from your side?

[Tanon]

Yzak's Zaku uses another pack for the Phantom called the Slash. So, it's the Slash Zaku Phantom :p Plus, it's that nifty blue color.

Slash Zaku Phantom: http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/seed-destiny/zgmf-1001k.htm

And that's the thing: Dearka and Yzak's Zakus really AREN'T better than any of the others...it's just they are main characters, so they completely whoop ass.