Martial artist with Superman's power vs Superman

[JusDaMan]

I been wondering for a long time. Superman is really bland without his powers. He has no real ability really. He can't dodge bullets, kung fu someone in to submission. He really don't have much going for him except for his powers.

If anyone who has some type of martial arts experience with superman's power i think they would do a lot better job than superman can ever do.

So... Someone with superman's power vs superman

[Suzumebachi]

Oh boy....how much do you really know about Superman?

And before you really answer that, answer this: who would win? Muhammad Ali or Bruce Lee? Martial arts > everything else all the time? Oh god no....

[Kisame]

erm superman is a martial artist with his powers.

[Amatsu]

Isn't Karate Kid already that?

I mean heck he kicked Superboy's ass.

[Suzumebachi]

Looking at your post again, let me ask this:

If Superman isn't fast enough to dodge bullets, why would someone with his powers would be able to?

[ezxx]

Oh boy....how much do you really know about Superman?

And before you really answer that, answer this: who would win? Muhammad Ali or Bruce Lee? Martial arts > everything else all the time? Oh god no....
Ali in a ring, Lee outside of a ring.

You see, the reason Supes doesn't need to dodge is because bullets won't ever hurt him or because it looks fucking cool when bullets just bounce off of him. Case and Point: Superman returns, look at the bullet bounce of his eye and tell me you'd rather he dodge that bullet...Why should he look like a pansy that has to dodge bullets? If it was kryptonite bullets though, he should use some of that amazing *FTL* movement i keep hearing about and dodge bullets...but then again standing there and letting shots hit him allows for teh dramatic effect to kick in

[Amatsu]

Looking at your post again, let me ask this:

If Superman isn't fast enough to dodge bullets, why would someone with his powers would be able to?

Superman doesn't need to dodge bullet's... they can friggin' bounce off his chest.

[Suzumebachi]

Ali in a ring, Lee outside of a ring.

You see, the reason Supes doesn't need to dodge is because bullets won't ever hurt him or because it looks fucking cool when bullets just bounce off of him. Case and Point: Superman returns, look at the bullet bounce of his eye and tell me you'd rather he dodge that bullet...Why should he look like a pansy that has to dodge bullets? If it was kryptonite bullets though, he should use some of that amazing *FTL* movement i keep hearing about and dodge bullets...but then again standing there and letting shots hit him allows for teh dramatic effect to kick in

Superman most certainly CAN dodge bullets. He doesn't need to though, but he can.

[Kunoichi no Kiri]

Ali in a ring, Lee outside of a ring.Incorrect. It would be over even faster outside a ring, because Ali could break 135-lb Lee in half.

Anyway, isn't this just Superman vs. Slightly better Superman?

[Suzumebachi]

Incorrect. It would be over even faster outside a ring, because Ali could break 135-lb Lee in half.

Anyway, isn't this just Superman vs. Slightly better Superman?

Yep. Superman(guy with his powers with martial arts training) vs better Superman(regular Superman)

[ezxx]

Incorrect. It would be over even faster outside a ring, because Ali could break 135-lb Lee in half.

Anyway, isn't this just Superman vs. Slightly better Superman?
You're seriously underestimating Bruce, just go check Bruce Lee vs Mike Tyson thread for all the feats of Bruce Lee and how Bruce himself said that he'd lose to Ali in a ring(only in a ring) but he'd beat him anywhere else. How would it be faster outside a ring? Outside a ring Lee wouldn't be trapped and Lee could break Ali apart, have you actually seen what Lee can do?

[Suzumebachi]

You're seriously underestimating Bruce, just go check Bruce Lee vs Mike Tyson thread for all the feats of Bruce Lee and how Bruce himself said that he'd lose to Ali in a ring(only in a ring) but he'd beat him anywhere else. How would it be faster outside a ring? Outside a ring Lee wouldn't be trapped and Lee could break Ali apart, have you actually seen what Lee can do?

Tyson ISNT Ali. And Bruce Lee said alot of things.

[Pimp of Pimps]

Original Superman would probaley win, if he actually used the huge amount of skills he has aquired.

And people, don't be stupid. Bruce and Ali are both strong. But to say one would easily beat the other is stupid.

[Green Lantern]

Tyson ISNT Ali. And Bruce Lee said alot of things.

QFMFT! :nod

[ZergKage]

Remember what happened when two nexus characters tried to fight eachother in JLA/Avengers???

Both Supermen unlock their mental blocks and the universe implodes

[Kisame]

And people, don't be stupid. Bruce and Lee are both strong. But to say one would easily beat the other is stupid.

um no rock lee would easily dispatch of Bruce lee. EASILY

[Pimp of Pimps]

um no rock lee would easily dispatch of Bruce lee. EASILY

Oops, meant Ali and Lee. XD

[Cthulhu-versailles]

...
Martial Artist as in any

Yeah okay, I choose A Kiint, Leeria to be precise. Her with Superman's powers wouldn't pretty much own Superman. She is of Omega Level intelligence and basically, as stated in the book, her and the Kiint race have knowledge of almost everything. That's not an exagerration. There race lives only to acuquire knowledge. For instances, they understand life and death completly; that is to say, they understand the before, the inbetween and the "after. Well actually, it cant really be formilized like that and be said to have such a simplistic ordering going off the Kiint. Anyway, once they finally move of, thx to their total comprehension of things they can become trancesdant beings.... that is the level of their intelligence:)

The Kiint also have on their person at all times a teleporter that thus far has been able to teleport them across galaxies.( I estimate their is not limit) Not to mention that they have a machince that can make anything.

Yeah, so Leeria wins.

[Giovanni Rild]

Superman had a lifetime to get used to his powers. Superman wins.

[Cthulhu-versailles]

Superman had a lifetime to get used to his powers. Superman wins.

Leeria would actually understand the nature of Superman's powers more so then he would. Leeria would also have knowledge of all forms of combat, martial arts and physical movement that have more or less ever existed within the time of the current universe. Hell, Leeria could probably just pull a Karnak, except in Leeria case she could in fact ascertain a weakness on some level beyond even Thanos like comprehension.

[Giovanni Rild]

Leeria would actually understand the nature of Superman's powers more so then he would. Leeria would also have knowledge of all forms of combat, martial arts and physical movement that have more or less ever existed within the time of the current universe. Hell, Leeria could probably just pull a Karnak, except in Leeria case she could in fact ascertain a weakness on some level beyond even Thanos like comprehension.
If she can quickly learn the powers, she wins, I guess. But Kal-El know martial arts.

[Amatsu]

Yep. Superman(guy with his powers with martial arts training) vs better Superman(regular Superman)

To make it simpler. This fight is like

Batman (with superman's powers or on superman's level) vs Superman

If you wanna be technical.

[Cthulhu-versailles]

If she can quickly learn the powers, she wins, I guess. But Kal-El know martial arts.

Leeria wouldn't need time to experiment with all Superman's powers. This is because she would know all his powers the second she used even one. She would be able to deduce every single one of the powers like that. Also, Leeria knows more martials arts, because her collection of knowledge compremise of all species, pratically since the beggining of the universe and on basically every subject. Lastly, Martial arts and body movement is not something that would be the most difficult of things for the Kiint to understand and have studied. it's not some unknown phenomenon within trancesdances like the Naked God

[Endless Mike]

Superman is already a martial artist, he has 1000 years of fighting experience in Valhalla, and was trained in martial arts by Mongul, he knows about pressure point attacks, and also he has great experience using his powers, so someone who just got them would not know anything about using them.

[Gunners]

Tyson ISNT Ali. And Bruce Lee said alot of things.

Yeah to be honest I think Tyson could beat Ali and I think he could beat bruce.

Anyway the key thing is, this guy has the same strength level as Superman and his powers plus knowledge. I think martial artist Superman would win.

[ezxx]

Tyson ISNT Ali. And Bruce Lee said alot of things.
I didn't say tyson is ali's equal, I said look at that the thread to see what Bruce Lee can do because people posted links/wrote stuff of him doing things

[Havoc]

So basically this is Superman vs. A less experienced Superman?

[jplaya2023]

List of chars that would beat superman with superman's powers added to their own

Rock Lee
Sasuke
Robin/Nightwing
Naruto(Non Kyubbi form)
Kiba
Shino
Chouji
etc....

Since we already know the "Regulars" that can beat superman without the need for his powers.

[Gunners]

Preptime Batman with Supermans powers :laugh.

[ezxx]

Itachi with superman's powers would be omnipotent :amazed

[Havoc]

Itachi with superman's powers would be omnipotent :amazed


No, Spiderman w/ Supes powers would be better.

[Gooba]

Isn't Karate Kid already that?

I mean heck he kicked Superboy's ass.No, Karate Kid has no powers at all, just skill.

This is Superman vs better Superman. Supes is skilled sure, but any of the unpowered martial artists are above him in actual skill.

This reminds me of a Wolverine comic I read last night. Beast and him were put into a prison where everyone lost their powers. Beast even went back to looking normal. Apparently Kangaroo and Batroc were big shots in there.

[konflikti]

No, Karate Kid has no powers at all, just skill.

This is Superman vs better Superman. Supes is skilled sure, but any of the unpowered martial artists are above him in actual skill.

This reminds me of a Wolverine comic I read last night. Beast and him were put into a prison where everyone lost their powers. Beast even went back to looking normal. Apparently Kangaroo and Batroc were big shots in there.

Shouldn't Wolvie like start dying the moment his healing factor is turned off?

[Gooba]

They gave him some kind of shot to deal with the poisoning, but it weakened him.

[Endless Mike]

Except Superman actually knows how to use his powers.

[Suzumebachi]

Superman is already a martial artist, he has 1000 years of fighting experience in Valhalla, and was trained in martial arts by Mongul, he knows about pressure point attacks, and also he has great experience using his powers, so someone who just got them would not know anything about using them.


Anyone read this?

[jplaya2023]

Anyone read this?

thats cool and all, but u got some scans of superman hittting someone's pressure points, his martial artist stance, his defense for defending punches and kicks, and how he attacks his opponents using martial arts.

[Endless Mike]

I posted them in the last thread where we had this argument, but you just arbitrarily said it wasn't martial arts.

[jplaya2023]

I posted them in the last thread where we had this argument, but you just arbitrarily said it wasn't martial arts.


oh yeah it was u posted a pic of superman dodging something and called it martial arts. LMAOO if im not mistaking. But if i am link me and i'll rescan it and give a cannon reponse

[Suzumebachi]

oh yeah it was u posted a pic of superman dodging something and called it martial arts. LMAOO if im not mistaking. But if i am link me and i'll rescan it and give a cannon reponse

What do you define as "martial arts"? Karate? Asian fighting?

[Endless Mike]

First tell me your definition of "martial arts" so you can't move the goalposts.

[jplaya2023]

Martial arts is about style, technique, speed, stamina, and defense.

For example watch batman fighting keodie in batman TAS for what im talkign about

[Endless Mike]

http://img478.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supesskillz1eh.jpg
http://img478.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supeskillz22jv.jpg

[Endless Mike]

Martial arts is about style, technique, speed, stamina, and defense.

For example watch batman fighting keodie in batman TAS for what im talkign about

That's far too vague.

Give a specific definition.

[jplaya2023]

http://img478.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supesskillz1eh.jpg
http://img478.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supeskillz22jv.jpg


good so far (except its batman which makes it non canon) got anymore pics?

[Suzumebachi]

(except its batman which makes it non canon)

Because Batman can never lose, right?

[Endless Mike]

good so far (except its batman which makes it non canon) got anymore pics?

What are you talking about? Batman can and has lost in canon.

[Endless Mike]

Oh, BTW jplaya this is you:

http://www.biggercheese.com/comics/0608.png

[jplaya2023]

Because Batman can never lose, right?


Obviously

plot no jutso = makes batman lose = makes it non canon

[jplaya2023]

What are you talking about? Batman can and has lost in canon.


comic heads chalk it up to plot no jutso

[Comic Book Guy]

plot no jutso = makes batman lose = makes it non canon

No, you're just whining that your favorite character loses.

Batman has been defeated more than once, and has actually died.

And yes, Superman/Batman is canon.

Once I'm done writing my American Literature mid-term tomorrow morning, I'll be back.

comic heads chalk it up to plot no jutso

You're a disgrace to comic book fans.

[Giovanni Rild]

Oh, BTW jplaya this is you:

http://www.biggercheese.com/comics/0608.png
You drew that?

[jplaya2023]

You drew that?

Obviously not there's tons of these dum pics floating around

[Havoc]

You drew that?


Of course not, everyone knows EM can't draw.

[Endless Mike]

No, I found it.

[Suzumebachi]

Thats ridiculous Mike. We all know jplaya could never write six pages of anything. His Batman knowledge couldn't fill Paris Hilton's left boob.

[Endless Mike]

Sure he could, it would just be a huge amount of BS he pulled out of his ass.

[Giorno Giovanna]

Martial arts is just how someone fights really. Any way you fight is a martial art, just that there are different disciplines like Shaolin, Northern or Southern Kung-Fu, Karate, and other styles but you don't need any of those styles to reall consider yourself a martial artist. It is just that people refer martial artists to people who uses asian styles because it looks cooler and also most of the fighting disciplines come from China.

So, as long as Superman knows a way to fight, he is a martial artist, just that his style differs from others.

For this fight, I go with Superman because he is martial artist anyway and he knows how to use his powers more than the martial artist with Superman's power which pretty much describes Superman so it's pretty much a contradiction or a paradox or irony, right?:huh

[jplaya2023]

Thats ridiculous Mike. We all know jplaya could never write six pages of anything. His Batman knowledge couldn't fill Paris Hilton's left boob.


cut the bullshit scuz and get real. My knowledge of the comic book world supercedes your best subject in 11th grade.

[Comic Book Guy]

Nice one EM. I'll compliment that.

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4856/batmanvssupermaniiak5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

And Batman has been killed. Multiple times.

Emperor Joker.

And yes, it's canon.

cut the bullshit scuz and get real. My knowledge of the comic book world supercedes your best subject in 11th grade.

Newbie, I know more about comics than you ever will.

Don't even try to disgrace the comic book world by associating yourself with us until you go out and actually learn something.

[Havoc]

You guys still pay attention to jplaya?

[Comic Book Guy]

You guys still pay attention to jplaya?

Something has to keep him contained until he finally learns.

[jplaya2023]

You guys still pay attention to jplaya?

check the sig, CBG stalks me across the internet

[Comic Book Guy]

check the sig, CBG stalks me across the internet

I decided to take up the moral obligation.

[Giovanni Rild]

Martial arts is about style, technique, speed, stamina, and defense.

For example watch batman fighting keodie in batman TAS for what im talkign about
I study martial arts, it's about killing to put it bluntly. Stop pretending like you know something

[ezxx]

I study martial arts, it's about killing to put it bluntly. Stop pretending like you know something
He's talking about the choreographed stuff he's used to seeing in movies

[jplaya2023]

I study martial arts, it's about killing to put it bluntly. Stop pretending like you know something


I dont know where you studied martial arts at but before you even begin they explain you shoudlnt take martial arts to go out and beat up people and kill them, its mainly for self defense and protecting those important to you. Not for just killing.

[Suzumebachi]

its mainly for self defense

And it always works GREAT in the 'hood.

.......NOT!

and protecting those important to you.

LOL at Naruto.

[Comic Book Guy]

I dont know where you studied martial arts at but before you even begin they explain you shoudlnt take martial arts to go out and beat up people and kill them, its mainly for self defense and protecting those important to you. Not for just killing.

That's as ideal as pacifism.

When it comes down to it, you either do what you have to do or you don't. The rules of the street and the real world.

[Giovanni Rild]

I dont know where you studied martial arts at but before you even begin they explain you shoudlnt take martial arts to go out and beat up people and kill them, its mainly for self defense and protecting those important to you. Not for just killing.

Martial means war. So martial art means war art. Martial arts were used by soliders to kill their enemies.

The orgin of true martial arts is war. any martial art that lacks killing blow is not a real martial art.

[jplaya2023]

And it always works GREAT in the 'hood.

.......NOT!


cism


LOL at Naruto.

a great referance from a great person jplaya-sama

[Comic Book Guy]

a great referance from a great person jplaya-sama

As if. Hundreds of writers and stories have used that way before you were even born.

[jplaya2023]

Martial means war. So martial art means war art. Martial arts were used by soliders to kill their enemies.


I never said it wasnt a tool for fighting but usually people entering martial arts are told to use it for protection not just going out killnig people like your post seemed to imply

The orgin of true martial arts is war. any martial art that lacks killing blow is not a real martial art.

You learn "killing blows" down the line not right away.

[Amatsu]

Actually and this is a first... I almost have to agree with Jplaya...

I don't remember any martial art school telling you that martial arts are made for killing people. If anything martial art's require discipline, focus, and control through training. That's why you don't learn how to "kick people's asses" right away.

In fact if Martial Arts weren't for self-defense why would martial art teachers point this out and remind you of the fact that it IS for self-defense?

Anything else is just regular brawling.

Also note that under normal circumstances I wouldn't agree with Jplaya, but in this instance I actually can't agree with you comic book guy or Gate for that matter...

[Suzumebachi]

Anything else is just regular brawling.

Which is a form of martial art.

[jplaya2023]

Actually and this is a first... I almost have to agree with Jplaya...

I don't remember any martial art school telling you that martial arts are made for killing people. If anything martial art's require discipline, focus, and control through training. That's why you don't learn how to "kick people's asses" right away.

In fact if Martial Arts weren't for self-defense why would martial art teachers point this out and remind you of the fact that it IS for self-defense?

Anything else is just regular brawling.




exactly.......

Which is a form of martial art.

shuddup baka

[Giovanni Rild]

Actually and this is a first... I almost have to agree with Jplaya...

I don't remember any martial art school telling you that martial arts are made for killing people. If anything martial art's require discipline, focus, and control through training. That's why you don't learn how to "kick people's asses" right away.

In fact if Martial Arts weren't for self-defense why would martial art teachers point this out and remind you of the fact that it IS for self-defense?

Anything else is just regular brawling.
Regular braling is martial arts. What you see today is very phony watered down versions of the real deal. Jplaya is wrong as usual. Martial arts purpose is to kill your enemy. That Jackie Chan movie magic crap isn't real Martial arts.

[Havoc]

Actually and this is a first... I almost have to agree with Jplaya...

I don't remember any martial art school telling you that martial arts are made for killing people. If anything martial art's require discipline, focus, and control through training. That's why you don't learn how to "kick people's asses" right away.

In fact if Martial Arts weren't for self-defense why would martial art teachers point this out and remind you of the fact that it IS for self-defense?

Anything else is just regular brawling.

Also note that under normal circumstances I wouldn't agree with Jplaya, but in this instance I actually can't agree with you comic book guy or Gate for that matter...


They're gigantic pussies.

[Amatsu]

Regular braling is martial arts. What you see today is very phony watered down versions of the real deal. Jplaya is wrong as usual. Martial arts purpose is to kill your enemy. That Jackie Chan movie magic crap isn't real Martial arts.

and here I would think that Jackie Chan movie magic crap is more your definition of martial arts.

If anything you're confusing martial arts with street brawling that has basically nothing to do with martial arts other than "who can hit the other person harder."

I doubt martial art's have to do with whacking someone over the head with a 2 x 4 or a steel pipe.

[Suzumebachi]

I doubt martial art's have to do with whacking someone over the head with a 2 x 4 or a steel pipe.

The martial art of whacking someone with a steel pipe is often a more effective one that the Jackie Chan stuff you're thinking of.

Define which martial art you're talking about. Kung Fu? Karate? Because martial art can be a vauge term. Most dont consider boxing a martial art, but it is a martial art by definition. Why is martial art associated with just kung fu and Bruce Lee nowadays?

[Giovanni Rild]

The goal of martial arts is to become better at defeating or killing your enemy. so that brawler is a martial artist by definition.

[jplaya2023]

The goal of martial arts is to become better at defeating or killing your enemy. so that brawler is a martial artist by definition.


uhhhhh no what definition are you using.

[Giovanni Rild]

uhhhhh no what definition are you using.
Wiki knowledge
Worldwide there is a great diversity of martial arts. Broadly speaking, martial arts share a common goal: to defeat a person physically or to defend oneself from physical threat. Within most martial arts there is a deep sense of spirituality. Every style has a different "feeling" that helps embody the martial art.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_arts

[jplaya2023]

Wiki knowledge


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_arts


where's the part about killing killing someone as u explicitely stated???

[Suzumebachi]

where's the part about killing killing someone as u explicitely stated???

To defeat.

You better than all people should know that to defeat someone, you can kill them. In fact, I thought that was your only definition of defeat.

[jplaya2023]

To defeat.




Defeating someone and killnig someone are 2 totally different things

[Shidoshi]

Martial Arts is a system of fighting designed to either defend or attack.

Brawling may not be as "refined" an art as Shaolin Kung-fu, but it is an art.

Not all martial arts are Asian. In fact, Krav Maga is Israeli and features very little flipping and "flash". It's a fighting style developed for the Israeli Special Forces used in attacking an opponent. Does it kill? Only if need be. But then, Special Forces, generally speaking, aren't usually there to verbally negotiate.

Jukoukai is an art created specifically for the "hardening of the body" to increase protection of vital body parts like the neck or the diaphragm with the use of 'ki' or 'chi'.

Brawling is a form of "unrefined" close-quarters-combat. Good brawlers have their brawling technique refined into a better art.

Most Krav Maga practitioners are great at brawling, because it's an art of CQC.

Boxing is a Western Martial Art.

Martial Arts, as a whole, isn't just about Asians breaking boards and white 'gi' with colored belts. Or wearing black and throwing shuriken while melting into the shadows.

Your ignorance in this matter, jplaya, shows.

[Suzumebachi]

Not really. If you kill someone, you've defeated them. You've said this numerous times. Shall I quote you?

[Amatsu]

The martial art of whacking someone with a steel pipe is often a more effective one that the Jackie Chan stuff you're thinking of.

Define which martial art you're talking about. Kung Fu? Karate? Because martial art can be a vauge term. Most dont consider boxing a martial art, but it is a martial art by definition. Why is martial art associated with just kung fu and Bruce Lee nowadays?

Well basically I'm going on the ideals of such things as Shaolin Kung Fu, Judo, Jujitsu, etc.

Most people wouldn't see Boxing as a martial art because it's seen as a sport. That would be like saying Wrestling is a martial art.

Not really. If you kill someone, you've defeated them. You've said this numerous times. Shall I quote you?

and if you incapacitate or knock out someone you defeat them. You don't necessarily need to use deadly force.

[Suzumebachi]

That would be like saying Wrestling is a martial art.

It is though.

[Giovanni Rild]

Well basically I'm going on the ideals of such things as Shaolin Kung Fu, Judo, Jujitsu, etc.

Most people wouldn't see Boxing as a martial art because it's seen as a sport. That would be like saying Wrestling is a martial art.



and if you incapacitate or knock out someone you defeat them. You don't necessarily need to use deadly force.
Medevial swordsmen learned wrestling to go with their swordsmanship.

[Suzumebachi]

and if you incapacitate or knock out someone you defeat them. You don't necessarily need to use deadly force.

But you can. Killing your opponent is a way to defeat them. Jplaya made a point of this in many many threads, but now he denies it.

[Shidoshi]

Well basically I'm going on the ideals of such things as Shaolin Kung Fu, Judo, Jujitsu, etc.Those are only Asian Martial arts. You're getting very specific. Martial Arts aren't unique to Asian countries.

Most people wouldn't see Boxing as a martial art because it's seen as a sport. That would be like saying Wrestling is a martial art.In this country, Karate and Taekwondo are seen as "sports" like also. Especially if you ask any Okinawan practicioner --- he'd tell you that the stuff Taekwondo one would study here is a sport.

and if you incapacitate or knock out someone you defeat them. You don't necessarily need to use deadly force.He's saying that to kill is to defeat. Which it is. However, he's aware of the fact that they're not interchangable.

It's like "a square is a rectange", but the reverse isn't necessarily true.

To kill someone is to defeat them, but to defeat someone isn't necessarily killing them.

[Amatsu]

Those are only Asian Martial arts. You're getting very specific. Martial Arts aren't unique to Asian countries.

True... after all I consider Kick-boxing a martial art and that's used here. Besides I thought many martial arts styles in different countries were derived from asian martial arts to begin with.

In this country, Karate and Taekwondo are seen as "sports" like also. Especially if you ask any Okinawan practicioner --- he'd tell you that the stuff Taekwondo one would study here is a sport.

Well I know Karate and such are considered sports also. I never said they weren't sports. I'm just saying that at least here in this country some people but not all of them tend to pair the term martial arts with asian styles of fighting. In this sense it's not unheard of that people would see boxing as just a sport and not a fighting style. As I said it'd be like people claiming that wrestling is a martial art. Some might not even believe that.

He's saying that to kill is to defeat. Which it is. However, he's aware of the fact that they're not interchangable.

It's like "a square is a rectange", but the reverse isn't necessarily true.

To kill someone is to defeat them, but to defeat someone isn't necessarily killing them.

I understand but it sounded like he was saying that the only way to win was to kill someone.

[Giovanni Rild]

Just saying that the original martial arts, which all current art come from, were made for war.

[Gooba]

In this country, Karate and Taekwondo are seen as "sports" like also. Especially if you ask any Okinawan practicioner --- he'd tell you that the stuff Taekwondo one would study here is a sport.Not all karate is a sport, Okinawan Karate is one of the most effective styles in all of martial arts.

This whole debate is silly. Martial Arts are teachings in which people learn to better defeat people physically. If you are learning it for fitness, or self defence, or meditation it doesn't matter because you are still learning to defeat someone, you just don't plan to use it for that.

[Cthulhu-versailles]

Leeria still wins.

[Amatsu]

I'd actually like to see a version of Batman with Superman's abilities and that version of Batman fights Superman to a standstill or something...

But still I'll say this again... doesn't that kind of martial artist already exist? Karate Kid anyone?

[Havoc]

I'd actually like to see a version of Batman with Superman's abilities and that version of Batman fights Superman to a standstill or something...

But still I'll say this again... doesn't that kind of martial artist already exist? Karate Kid anyone?


Nah KK would get demolished by Supes, he's good, but not that good.

[Reznor]

Any normal martial artist?
Superman. Even with equal training, Superman is more adapted to his own powers.

However, high-tier martial artists I'd probably lean to them.

[Gooba]

I'd actually like to see a version of Batman with Superman's abilities and that version of Batman fights Superman to a standstill or something...

But still I'll say this again... doesn't that kind of martial artist already exist? Karate Kid anyone?I'll also say this again, KK has absolutely no powers. Give him the strength, speed, and durability of Superman and he would wipe the floor with him.

[Comic Book Guy]

I'll also say this again, KK has absolutely no powers. Give him the strength, speed, and durability of Superman and he would wipe the floor with him.

Though, KK is absolutely insane with what he can do with regards to martial arts. Pre-Crisis, he was arguably the most broken non-powered human in comicdom.

EDIT: With the release of 52 Week 23, Superman has been trained in boxing by Wildcat.