Vince Carter: Two face/Backstabber.

[nigggs]

Its hard to dismiss VC as my fav, but his craptacular effort he was puttin in this season was disgusting. From his unclutchess in games to his lack of effort offensively and definsively.The apathy behaviour he showed during games and interviews. I got into many online and personal debates about vince's mentallity in toronto, however vince finally admitted it.


ESPN+NBA.COM:
One day after admitting he gave less than his best while with Toronto, Carter had 22 points, six rebounds and four assists to lead the Nets to an 82-72 victory over the Warriors.

Acquired from the Raptors on December 17, Carter admitted during a televised interview Thursday that he did not always give 100 percent while playing for Toronto. But since arriving in New Jersey, the five-time All-Star has performed well, averaging 22.5 points and 5.7 rebounds in his first six games.


Vince should b ashamed of himself, i know he was dying for a trade but please have some dignity.

[Wave]

i just lost total respect outta this guy. i use to think the dude was more class-act than this. i happen to miss the interview on thursday. but glad someone saw it. so i guess he was faking all those injuries during Toronto earlier in the season then =\

man, i wouldnt be suprised if fans start a riot or one of them try to attack him when he shows up at Toronto on April 15. ah well, good riddance to that frickin' traitor...Raptors are playing better without him anyways. now he goes on the list with Tracy McGrady and all the other ex-Raptors that hated playing in that team.

now then...Chris Bosh is the future now.

[kevin77]

It's an insult to the integrity of the sport.

[aLkeMiSt]

i just lost total respect outta this guy. i use to think the dude was more class-act than this. i happen to miss the interview on thursday. but glad someone saw it. so i guess he was faking all those injuries during Toronto earlier in the season then =\

man, i wouldnt be suprised if fans start a riot or one of them try to attack him when he shows up at Toronto on April 15. ah well, good riddance to that frickin' traitor...Raptors are playing better without him anyways. now he goes on the list with Tracy McGrady and all the other ex-Raptors that hated playing in that team.

now then...Chris Bosh is the future now.
Pretty harsh there Leo.. but I somewhat agree... I hate it how all of the good players on Raptors end up leaving. :mad

[Wave]

lol, well yeah i have to be cuz he's being a punk about it this whole situation.
if you watched yesterday's game against the Bucks...you'd noticed something was wrong. those comments had to effect the outcome of that game somewhat cuz Vince "The Traitor" Carter said all that shizz on Thursday. but thats just imo.

just go here and scroll down: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm
i'm just as shocked as Mo Pete, Rafer, and Rose.

[nigggs]

i aint shocked, not one bit, i've been watching the craptacular effort produced by vince last year, and espically this year since his trade request.

its very simple really, he asked to be traded, nothing happens, what happens to vince if he plays well?....raps keep him, what happens if vince plays like shit?.....raps get rid of him, nice plan vince! A-hole :mad

what shocked me was that vince was actually stupid enough to admit on on national television. :confused

[RodMack]

Vince Carter leaving the raptors was the best thing he ever did. i wont deny that he hasn't played well since his first injury. but if you pay attention, the fans basically turned on him after his second or third injury. he went from like being a god in Toronto to being public enemy #1. i dont blame vc for leaving Toronto, i blame the fans for turning their backs on him. they are the ones who basically kicked him out of toronto. i am very disappointed at the raptors fans, me being from Toronto also. i used to love the raptors but when i saw the fans' true colors, i was like "f**k these people." after the trade i lost interest in the raptors and became a nets fan. i wont be surprised if Carter does 10x better in NJ than in Toronto. i do know that he will be boo'd and hated more than T-Mac, but he'll take all that negative energy and turn it to something positive and will embarass the raptor fans. people in Toronto should worry about whether there will be hockey rather than basketball.

[Wave]

note! Richard Jefferson is out of the season and Jason Kidd is day-to-day with a flu!
sounds like our good pal Vince brought the curse to NJ =o

[RodMack]

i think its just bad luck

[Wave]

yeah, but ah well.
-Chris Bosh named player of the week
-playing pretty damn well at home
-i like how the raptors foundation is setup their charity for the tsunami thing

plus, Vince is probably gonna be the main man again if Jason Kidd gets sidelined and everyone knows he hates that role xD

[nigggs]

Vince Carter leaving the raptors was the best thing he ever did. i wont deny that he hasn't played well since his first injury. but if you pay attention, the fans basically turned on him after his second or third injury. he went from like being a god in Toronto to being public enemy #1.


the only reason why vince was hated down in toronto was because of his apathetic behavior and the fact that we know vince wasnt giving it his all. jalen rose, is the highest paid raptor and as a starter was very unproductive, and made a vast amont of mistakes, however he wasnt booed or treated badly at all, due to the fact that toronto fans knew he was giving it has all, unlike VC, who claimed not wanting to dunk no more, and recently admitted what raptor fans had suspected all along, him not trying for toronto.

yeah, but ah well.
-Chris Bosh named player of the week
-playing pretty damn well at home
-i like how the raptors foundation is setup their charity for the tsunami thing

plus, Vince is probably gonna be the main man again if Jason Kidd gets sidelined and everyone knows he hates that role xD

just a matter of time, before he starts dogging it in new jersey. your right, he hates the responsiblity of a franchise player, but he loves the spot light during dunk offs and all star games.

[Wave]

just a matter of time, before he starts dogging it in new jersey. your right, he hates the responsiblity of a franchise player, but he loves the spot light during dunk offs and all star games.
yeah, seems like he's gonna do it again this year.
man someone should make a raptor thread (i will if no one else does). cuz the wins are just piling up since the backstabber left xD

[RodMack]

i stand by wat i say and wat i believe. i believe the fans turned on Vince first, causing Vince to turn on them.

[nigggs]

i stand by wat i say and wat i believe. i believe the fans turned on Vince first, causing Vince to turn on them.

im in toronto, and my un bias opinion is that it is the other way around, honestly.

Come on Rodney! the guy admitted on national television to doggin in toronto this year, no excuses, period. we sighned him to a 96 mill 7 year contract to give it his all, and do his best, even a blind cat could call him out on his slothful play, and his apathetic behaviour. I've never seen this type of unprofessionalism in hockey, football, soccer, marial arts, tennis, any sport I could think of or watched.

Vince: "Im bored of toronto, so i aint gonna try this year, i might get injured and be untradable." :notrust

[RodMack]

i know he admitted in national television that he didn't give it his all in Toronto this year. when i heard it, i felt disappointed in him. i never thought he would say that he give it his all in Toronto. i do agree that wat he did was unprofessional, but i still remain a VC fan no matter what.

and im starting to think that the Raptors did a good job trading Vince. they're getting better now. Vince is also starting to get better because of Jason Kidd. i think i've seen VC do more alley-oop dunks in NJ than in Toronto. but that might prove that he didn't try in Toronto.

i think none of this wouldn't have happened if Carter didn't get injured in 2002.

[nigggs]

none of this would happen, if vince and his mom got their way.

vince wanted dr.jay as the new GM, things didnt work out that way, he was very dissapointed. he asked Babcock the new GM to contact steve nash and maglore about playin in toronto, babcock promised he would, vince spoke to both those guys and they informed him that they didnt even get a call, right after that vince demanded a trade.

i could see why he was frustrated, same losing team, same losing formula, and he isnt getting any younger, however to admit playing with no life in him, was very dissapointing, yet we the fans in toronto knew all along that he was, its just shocking to hear him admit it. but hopefully he'll return to his superstar status and we'll keep winning without him.

[Wave]

i think none of this wouldn't have happened if Carter didn't get injured in 2002.
lol, i remember that play. i blame Tim Duncan, if only he wasnt there then Vince wouldnt have landed awkardly and ultimately lead to what it is now.
yes i know that he had knee problems before (i remember the Dec 2001 Lakers game too) but the San Antonio game really was the dagger to Vince's downfall at T.O.


but hopefully he'll return to his superstar status and we'll keep winning without him.
wow things i didnt know was that Vince contacting Magloire and Nash if they wanted to play in Toronto. i know that wouldnt have worked out well cuz Nash wanted more money and we had to basically have to trade someone for Maglorie in to play here (if you mean get Maglorie in 2003 then yeah i blame GG for not attempting to sign him =\).

lol, but well it looks like were doing just fine without him xD
all the games with Bosh in 2005 just keeps getting more and more entertaining and i love how he's vastly improving. at least he admits he isnt ready to be a leader yet<---so yeah i know he wants to lead the raps when hes a complete player

[RodMack]

once Bosh becomes a better player, then the Raptors would be considered a "Playoff contending" team.

[nigggs]

i dont know...bosh is good, but he still hasnt reached that level yet where i feel comfortable having our franchise built around him, thats assuming he doesnt leave TO.

[Wave]

yeah i feel the same way, but i think management is treating him right.
i say that cuz i dont see him demanding things like Vince use to and plus he seems to like Toronto (at the moment).
unlike Carter and McGrady were treated.
Carter = complained too much
McGrady = i blame Darrell Walker for benching him for all those times where McGrady shoulda shined

[Jh1stgen]

once Bosh becomes a better player, then the Raptors would be considered a "Playoff contending" team.

There's no eye in team. I don't know why the Raps want to contend this year and make the playoff when they really should be at the rebuilding stage for 1-2 yrs. I think if they can get top 3 pick this yr. Definitly they'll be a contender nxt yr. Before that, they should trade Marshall (URF) and Rose (Salary)

[Wave]

There's no eye in team. I don't know why the Raps want to contend this year and make the playoff when they really should be at the rebuilding stage for 1-2 yrs. I think if they can get top 3 pick this yr. Definitly they'll be a contender nxt yr. Before that, they should trade Marshall (URF) and Rose (Salary)
theres a problem with that though this year. theres no real big name coming outta the scouts this year. its as if the 2003 and 2004 Drafts cleaned out all the potential all-starts and role players. Well theres only one thing that make a Raptors a contender this year is that if they pull off a trade with New Orleands for Jamaal Maglorie (once he's back before the trade deadline). i'm pretty sure the Hornets can use as many draft picks as they can get lol.

[nigggs]

theres a problem with that though this year. theres no real big name coming outta the scouts this year.

thank you!

like wave said, we have nothing to look forward to in next years draft or free agency for that matter.

[Inactive Renji]

no offense...
but hey whos wants to play for toronto?... lol as much as i have respect for that team i can see y carter wants the trade cuz i guess he sees his tewam aint goin no where for all the years he played but hey this is the nba where anything can happen... :laugh

[nigggs]

well, im from toronto, and im not offended, not at the slightest. we know how many american basketball society view us. during the alvin williams for kenny anderson trade a few years ago, the trade was completed, and kenny anderson said he's not coming to toronto, ever, even though his jersey was ready with his locker, lucky for him alvin failed his physical, trade void.

same thing with kindal gill, when he heard he was coming to toronto, he said he would retire.

vince carter brought basketball to this town, he put our name on the map, toronto is a beatiful city, many american players have houses, clubs, and buiness set up down here, because they love it.

i dont mean to rant, but basically what im saying is this, vince has been treated like a god down here, and my management, he was treated like the president of the raptors organization, he was choosing the couches, influencing our trades, he was a big part of the organization, but in the recent summer, mangament took that away from him, and reduced him to just player status, and when he didnt get to pick our new gm, and which point guard we should sign, he demanded a trade, do your research, i jest you not.

[raziu]

Vince is a very good player...it's a shame he left toronto...I thought he would stay there untill he retires...maybe without a title but c'mon...he was air canada :P when I saw his plays in the first season I was like "wow...that man's just crazy" :) well I'll still cheer for him...and for Toronto too :)

[omiK]

Man you must be an idiot if yu could not see that he was trying. Admittinly it took me a long time too. And i was a long time vc fan. then i watched the effort that other allstars put into the game. Seeing Kobe try and vince bitch mad him digust vc more.

[raziu]

Man you must be an idiot if yu could not see that he was trying. Admittinly it took me a long time too. And i was a long time vc fan. then i watched the effort that other allstars put into the game. Seeing Kobe try and vince bitch mad him digust vc more.

You talking to me? :confused

[Naruto Man]

WTF, vince has way too many reasons to want to be traded. I mean he's an allstar, he's up there with all those big dogs, and since he's came in he hasn't been in the finals ever!!! I've seen his plays, he's definitely up there with kobe, shaq, garnet, and all of them, but he's stuck with a team that can't deliver jock shit. Kobe whines like a freaking bitch and gives as much efforts as vince was half the times too, during the shaq and kobe years. But vince pours his heart out, and he still can't bring home the gold. I dare say, vince is the backbone of toronto. If I was in his shoes I would act the same, notice how not much people even have much respect for him since the beggining of the season, plus the new coach always bitching at him.

[JustinCredible]

WTF, vince has way too many reasons to want to be traded:

Really? Please tell me.

I mean he's an allstar,

Really? Well a ton of people are allstars... so is that really a point?

he's up there with all those big dogs, and since he's came in he hasn't been in the finals ever!!! I've seen his plays, he's definitely up there with kobe, shaq, garnet, and all of them, but he's stuck with a team that can't deliver jock shit.

Has Garnet really ever delivered a finals birth? It took him 7 years to get them past the first round. Grant Hill... did nothing in Detriot. Was a cripple in Orlando and after four years is producing. Kobe will do nothing without Shaq, whereas Shaq will make it deep into the playoffs. McGrady? He's done nothing by himself and won't do much with Yao. Now as for the Raptors... you say that he's stuck with a team that can't deliver... now tell me, how many games did he miss during the past couple of years? You sign a contract for a person for 7 years and then they get injuired every 5 seconds... whos not delivering?

Kobe whines like a freaking bitch and gives as much efforts as vince was half the times too, during the shaq and kobe years. But vince pours his heart out, and he still can't bring home the gold.

Umm... Kobe has Shaq, and I wouldn't ever say that Kobe gives half the effort of Vince. Kobe works on his game and does proper weight training that he'd be able to take the blows and hard fouls one would expect of an NBA superstar. Vince gets hit and he lays on the ground like somebody shot him. Vince only plays hard when he knows he's on national US TV.

I dare say, vince is the backbone of toronto. If I was in his shoes I would act the same, notice how not much people even have much respect for him since the beggining of the season, plus the new coach always bitching at him.

Reason why people didn't have much respect for him this season? Because a Superstar is supposed to lead... and he hasn't done that (well since Phili/Toronto 2nd Round... but even then his priorites weren't straight). He's been bulling this team and management into making idiotic moves which have crippled the franchise. The new coach ain't biching at him... he expects effort from his players and expects his superstars to be superstars. Vince refused to give the proper effort hoping to get traded, but didn't make too much nose so he could still keep his 'good guy' image. He's a fraud and a soft player and doesn't have the heart of a David Robinson to lead a team to a championship.

[kakashisensei171]

Hmm, like what some of you say, give Vince some room to breathe! We know that he is a good player, that's why he should deserve to be in a better team that can shine his talent rather than in raptor. But I believe a sportsman without motivation, can't perform! Even he says he is not giving his 100%, it maybe his excuses to cover up his performance? Get moving Vince.. :notrust

[RodMack]

i cant wait to see tuesdays game between the Nets and the Raptors. but we have to wait till like april to see Vince return to Toronto. expect massive booing from the Toronto faithful to Vince, but ill be one of thefew people cheering for him when he returns to Toronto.

[korican04]

Vince Carter can dunk like there is no tomorrow, too bad he's a punk.

[nigggs]

I so look forward to tommorow game against new jersey. Vince Carter isnt professional, period.

[I ARE 1031]

Vince Carter isn't THAT good anyways. His dunks made him famous but as a forward he isn't very high on my rankings.

[kakashisensei171]

Vince Carter isn't THAT good anyways. His dunks made him famous but as a forward he isn't very high on my rankings.

I agree with what you say, :) That's why I say maybe he is trying to fake his way thru about his off forms... finding excuses to say that he don't play 100% for the Raptors~ :mad

[nigggs]

It's okay, im over vince now...he dogged it down here, and i was shocked as hell that he actually admitted it.

Poor guy, imagine being interviewed by tnt's number one reporter, and feeling the pressure to be honest with him, no wonder he didnt lie :blink

Anyway, vince and his mom got what they wanted, vince is enjoying his honeymoon for now, the question is when its over, will he still give it his all? :huh

[raziu]

So he admitted himself ?=] His dunks are ubber cool but he should work on his personality and mentality of a basketball player =]

[nigggs]

So he admitted himself ?=] His dunks are ubber cool but he should work on his personality and mentality of a basketball player =]

If he had the heart of say a garnett or iverson, he would be a phenomal basketball player.

This guy doenst work on his game, he's competing on raw talent! :blink

Imagine if vince decided to work on his game through a thorough off season regimen, were he got bigger, stronger and faster, he'd probably be at kobe's level, if you think about it.

[raziu]

i don't like kobe that much..but gotta admitt he knows how to play =]

and yeah I agree with ya...he would be awesome if he had the motivation to train and improve his skills =]
now he's just a waste of talent...but i can't help the fact that I still like to watch him play

[nigggs]

now he's just a waste of talent...but i can't help the fact that I still like to watch him play
......so do i...... :darn

[raziu]

You've seen him live ?=]

man i would so want to go and see an nba game live =] fockers don't even show any games on tv around here in poland =/

[nigggs]

You've seen him live ?=]

man i would so want to go and see an nba game live =] fockers don't even show any games on tv around here in poland =/

Yes, i do live in toronto :P

maybe you could try the satellite way? :oh

[raziu]

haha you lucky bastard :P

hmm maybe i should....;)

edit: sorry for the bastard...don't ban me XP

[nigggs]

^ its cool, im not that kind of a mod.:amuse

[raziu]

that's good to know =]

anywayz Vine better start playin good and doing some flashy dunks or i'll bitchslap him back to kindergarden :P

[DarkBlueNitsuj]

But Vince Carter didnt care about playing properly for Raptors! I bet When Kidd is injured or traded in the summer. Vince Carter will ended up doing the same thing as he did to Raptors.

[Mitsui]

In defense of Vince Carter:
Every top notch NBA player wants to win the championship. IMO, VC has been playing hard for the Toronto Raptors. He once lead the Raptors to the Eastern Semifinals against the Sixers. Unfortunately, the Raptors team and management has just been pathetic. Anybody who has seen them play would want to strangle the life outta VC's teammates.
Yes, it was a not very professional of VC to hold back but the Raptors sure as hell deserved it. Now that he's in the Nets, we all can see that VC is much better if his teammates weren't a bunch of schollgirls.
I doubt if VC will ever win the championship or the MVP award but I'm sure he'll always be remembered as one of the best dunkers of all time.

[JustinCredible]

In defense of Vince Carter:
Every top notch NBA player wants to win the championship.

True. But Superstars are supposed to LEAD their teams to championships.

IMO, VC has been playing hard for the Toronto Raptors. He once lead the Raptors to the Eastern Semifinals against the Sixers.

Well even during that time his leadership was questioned as his priorities even on gameday where less then proper.

Unfortunately, the Raptors team and management has just been pathetic. Anybody who has seen them play would want to strangle the life outta VC's teammates.

Hmmm... and you completely avoid VC's role in influencing management into making certain movies which screwed the franchise. Then the moment he can't get his way he acts like a diva and begins his push for a trade? Glen Grundwald signed and cut people to keep Vince happy.

Yes, it was a not very professional of VC to hold back but the Raptors sure as hell deserved it. Now that he's in the Nets, we all can see that VC is much better if his teammates weren't a bunch of schoolgirls.

The Nets are an inferior team then the Raptors in terms of line-up, but Vince is now able to play better because: 1) He wants to. 2) He's no longer the leader... Jason Kidd is.

'school girls'? Should I even dignify this with a response?

There's no reason to half-ass it when crowds pay to see you, its sad that season ticket holders can't file a Civil suit against him.

I doubt if VC will ever win the championship or the MVP award but I'm sure he'll always be remembered as one of the best dunkers of all time.

Just like Spud Webb right?

In the end Vince had every right to leave by either asking for a trade (in private) or waiting till his contract is up. By taking this route of action don't think Toronto will only have fond memories of the man. Now if he kept his mouth shut and didn't admit to half-assing it, people wouldn't be as upset.

[darkturkey]

As a Nets fan, whenever Vince doesn't play well, a little voice inside my head always wonders: 'Did he actually give 100%?'

I don't know how any of his current/future team-mates could ever fully respect him, knowing what he did to his Raptor team-mates.

[Naruto-Happy]

VC should still have given his best even if he wanted a trade elsewhere... i can understand being unhappy on a losing team but still, its so unprofessional

[Uchiha_answer]

Carter should have stiil gave Toronto a 100% because then teams would actually want a team player who plays hard every night. If Vince wants another trade out of new Jersey those things he said could hurt his chances

[Naruto-Happy]

exactly
now i really hate new jersey... go toronto!

[Clouds]

I've never liked Vince Carter, the only time I've ever respected him was his rookie and sophomore years and maybe in 2000 during the dunk competition. But ever since then his effort has been sub-par even before he admitted it and was still on the Raptors. Seeing him at the game was full proof, you could tell he wasn't trying, I mean seriously centers were out-hustling him back and forth from each side of the court.

But now that he tucked tail and ran from Toronto to New Jersey he's playing his mind out and I can bet everybody in Toronto is just waiting for him to go down with another injury or my personal favourite... "Out because of dehydration..."

T-Mac is another story to me, Carter was constantly being surrounded by great talent but nothing ever happened. Whereas T-Mac had to endure those many years just hoping that Grant Hill would come back and the only other Magic players worth mentioning were Juwan Howard and I think Mike Miller played for them at one point. Other than that T-Mac had nobody and yet he was still putting up ridiculous numbers, but granted yes he never tried on defense. But if you don't remember he was named to the All-Defensive team at one point in his career so he's completely capable not that he can't.

But yeah I still hate VC to this day, Chris Bosh is the future of the Raps and I've always liked the way he played. He was my favourite Rap soon as I saw him play, his style is just... wow.

[Inconspicuous_lurker]

That suxs that he played like crap on purpose, but i guess he really wanted to be traded.

[nigggs]

raptors vs nets this friday.

Imma leave work early, just to go throw beer in his face.:thumbs

[addikt]

ah carter still causing so much debate :)

having watched carter for sometime, I think it's fair to say he's heavy on words but light on action... he thinks he's the best player in the nba ... the kind of player a team is built around .. but reality is he's not a franchise player and never will be. A leader leads with action not words ... Carter doesn't take over the game in clutch time, I've seen quite a few games where someone else instead of carter took the important shot in the last minutes ... point is he doesn' demand the ball and finish the game like he should and gets paid the money to do so... he was an on/off type of jump shooter in toronto ... It's a shame to see such a talent get wasted but I lost all respect for him once he openly admitted playing half-heartedly for his team... injury after injury, jump shot after jumpshot ... the guy wouldn't even drive or dunk !!!! cmon .. i would understand if his contract was sub-par .. but at that time, he got the max $$ he could have gotten along with a loyal fan base to boot.

Toronto is still a lousy team but without carter atleast they don't have to deal with a new drama everyday ... raptors got Bosh and hopefully a good draft pick point guard to build around (as long as they don't pull rafael arajuo on everyone ) ...

Jersey is doing well with carter right now... but the euphoria will be over soon .. I expect him to play half-heartedly and jump shoot the hell out of games there too

[Literally Exaggerated]

As a Nets fan, I'm happy we have Vince and he's tearing it up, and I hope we keep him for a long time and he continues to be this good. And he has been *amazing* for us. With the Nets he is averaging 27.4 points a game (3rd best in the NBA), as well as 5.9 assists and 4.7 rebounds. There are only a few players in the NBA who are playing better than he is right now (AI, Lebron, Duncan, KG, Shaq).

That said, I have no respect for him at all, and his antics in toronto make me seriously worry for a Nets future if J-Kidd leaves

[illusion]

Why should VC give his all to a team and organization who isn't committed to winning??? The management hasn't done anything to help VC, so if the Toronto organization isn't giving a 100%, then why should Vince???

It goes both ways.

[phumanchu1]

vc sucks...has he won anything...nope.

[Literally Exaggerated]

vc sucks...has he won anything...nope.

By this logic, lets look at some of those who suck because they haven't won a championship

Allen Iverson
Tracy McGrady
Yao Ming
Jason Kidd
Gilbert Arenas
Ron Artest
Ray Allen
Patrick Ewing
Nate Thurmond
Larry Hughes
Dwayne Wade
Penny hardaway
Alonzo Mourning
Gary Payton
Paul Pierce
Antoine Walker
Kevin Garnett
Reggie Miller
Lebron James
Steve Nash
Mike bibby
Stephon Marbury
Karl Malone
John Stockton
Charles Barkley

yep, what a shitty collection of players.

[brkencue]

I don't know why these players are taking such dirty effort to get what they want. From getting traded and not accepting that and force a buy out so they can go to a contending team to maybe get a ring aka Alonzo Mourning, to banking games so they could get traded aka "Vincesanity." Whatever happen to players giving their best so they can play the game the right way aka Magic filling in for Center, Jordan giving his best even with a flu and throwing up during timeouts in the finals?

These days it's all about money and getting what they want since they think they are the best players in the world. Do they not get enough money in the endorsements and stupid commercials???

Im out