Discussion on Spiritual Energy (Ki, C'hi, Holy spirit, etc.) [Archive]

Ronin_Musashi

01-06-2005, 07:28 PM

Squirrel King

01-06-2005, 08:13 PM

I want to beleive in it.. but I don't. I beleive if the mind is willing.. the body can do ALOT more than what is considered normal now. I really beleive that if people really put their mind to it, they can enhance their healing, their health, etc. You may call something like this some sort of energy, and controll of it. I dunno..But that's all I really beleive about this subject... if you even consider it related.

Rurouni

01-06-2005, 08:33 PM

I do believe in the Ki/Chi thing. It's just that now in this day and age, human kind is too ignorant to be able to use their spiritual energy to do such things.

Yukimura

01-06-2005, 09:16 PM

I shall try to enhance my spiritual power by mysterious means, then I will report to you the results in a month.

hikari_tennyo

01-08-2005, 12:15 PM

I'm not so sure how "spiritual" this is, but scientists have been able to measure the EM field around a person, and have proven that some ppl can generate more and manipulate it...
It's just lesser known science... Who would really want to believe that? (as in common knowledge)

Garson007

01-08-2005, 09:50 PM

I believe in "Mind over matter". No more no less. I don't believe in a spiritual world. Nothing happens with a purpose, except if coordinated by Mother Nature. Mother Nature works in mysterious ways. It is all chaos and we can never stop the chaos from spreading...

Arilou

01-08-2005, 10:45 PM

I have yet to see conclusive proof that meets scientific criteria for the paranormal.

That does not mean it does not exist, but until further proof surfaces I will ignore it's existence.

gakidou

01-13-2005, 01:06 AM

i've been taking chinese martial arts for 5 years now, and i'm yet to attain this "chi"/"ki"... of course 5 years isn't enough to attain it, it's said to take about half a lifetime... but anyways... firstly i wanna note you shouldn't group the holy spirit with chi/ki because they are quite different... the holy spirit would be religous, whereas chi/ki have nothing to do with a god.

Do i believe it exists? Currently i don't have a confident opinion of it yet... it's said that the source of power comes from the abdominal area and from there it travels throughout the body. But only when your muscles are relaxed can chi flow, because force stops the flow of chi. It's true you get a difference in performance for martial arts when you begin to understand this idea. But that doesn't mean it's because of the chi...
i speclate that it's more of an analogy or a guide to be able to achieve certian feats like attacking internal organs so it's easier to understand the idea/feel of it.
it's like drunken fist saying to drink "spirit" to gain strength... you're not really drinking anything, but you're imagining it, and it helps you feel as if you have more strength.

there are two schools of martial arts in ancient/current china: Shaolin (Drunken fist/hard) and Wu Dang (Tai chi/soft). Shaolin focuses on external strength (ie. rock lee), and Wu Dang focuses on internal strength (ie. neji)
If you watch actions of both styles (not in anime, but in real life), you'll note that people from Wu Dang move in an awkward way, but you'll also note, they're movements are soft, relaxed, yet have extremely powerful bursts of energy. This burst of energy is supposedly caused by the burst of chi, but like i said above... i think it's just a unique efficient way to exert power

bleh.. that sounded somewhat unclear... but i hope you get the idea

hikari_tennyo

01-13-2005, 01:57 AM

Ronin_Musashi

01-13-2005, 07:33 PM

i wanna note you shouldn't group the holy spirit with chi/ki because they are quite different... the holy spirit would be religous, whereas chi/ki have nothing to do with a god.
True; one is spiritual and the other religious. But I wanted to show religious people that you can be religious and spiritual, and allow them to interpret spiritual energy the way they wanted to. I myself am a Christian, btw.

Hyuuga_X

01-14-2005, 07:41 PM

for more information about energy (Chi, Ki, Prana) and Chakra and some other things you can visit this (http://www.eclecticenergies.com/) site. It's not realy much about Ki but more things like opening ur chakra ways by meditation and stuff...

Ronin_Musashi

01-16-2005, 01:37 PM

Thanks for giving a link to that site! I found it very informative. It's exactly what I was thinking of when I said Spiritual Energy. *one rep point 4 u

poona

01-21-2005, 08:20 AM

The chinese art of chi-gong is very interesting, i saw an old guy move a bus with a rope attached to his penis. They say its some kind of energy source from the universe.

Eeky

01-21-2005, 04:01 PM

I believe in God, The Father, The Son and In the Holy Spirit.
Amen.

-Kris

Kevinthewiseone

01-21-2005, 04:33 PM

I am glad that we are having this disscussion i might of already mentioned this before on other boards. What i belive is in Chakara which is the seven power centers in our body like that episode with Rock Lee but only to a certain extent meaning that if you are trained and able to use the power you could use it to give you extra strenth to when a battle or do heavy leaftring your give you greater thinking power and the such. I also belive that we can affect phyical objects in our wourld by using this energy that we all have and if you trained enogh make it visible like naruto but that would take many a year and many of us probbaly could not devote all their time to doing such amazing works.. I know if i could i would

Ok anyways thats what i belive

liminosse

01-21-2005, 09:45 PM

I am a strong believer... I train myself and focus my energies all the time, though I can't do anything special... i jumped a car battery with it a few times but i don't beleive its spritial, though i believe in God i don't think the internal energies of living beings are their sprits. I think theres something deeper there... maybe thats why most can't feel it, their looking in the wrong place, training in the wrong manner.

When i focus my energy I still have trouble moving it to my hands... i can feel it all through my torso and neck, sometimes even arms but rarely have i been able to push it through my fingers, however maybe thats the proble, maybe im trying to hard, hmmm

it feels like to me, a constent cool chill moving through my nervous system, maybe thats how enegry moves around in your body or maybe it has its own pathways but i do know if I focus it too long i get very short of breath and become drozey, although a couple cases when i worked on it all day i couldn't sleep that night for the intense pain in my abdominal area, don't know if it had anything to do with that, but maybe i stressed my enegry to a limit... maybe i just didn't feel well i don't know

Maybe the energies we strive for are the elctrical currents that constently flow through the our bodies and the air...

it seems to be easier to focus on the exhalation of air... then again maybe i've gone the wrong route but its one of my lifes quest to find out.

Many times i've had dreams where i could fly, only when i had to take in air to breath i would glide towards the ground as though i couldn't stay in the air, every morning after a dream like that i could remember vividly the feeling i had when i used my energy to raise off the ground, I could remeber every detail, i can't do that with other dreams, when i wake, a few hours pass and they are forgotten, maybe its just a dream, or maybe my brain is trying to find a way to break the barrier that seems to damn up my energy and i try to force it out of my body.

You may not believe what im saying and thats fine but i just felt that i should try to explain how I think it works, maybe... even if one person out of all those who reads it understands and can discover something new about this then this post wouldn't have been a total waste, now this has got me all pumped up think i'll go waste some chi... then agian the character i associate myself most with in naruto is shikramaru... im so damn lazy yet i know something has to be done or this knowledge is going to go to waste, even if its not that useful...

goodluck and happy training!!

mrberns

01-21-2005, 11:42 PM

For the last ten years or so I've been reading the Tao Te Ching regularlly, and I belive that the entire universe is a force that interacts with itself at all times and flows through all things. This force is present within each person, and can be acted upon in many different ways. Im not sure if it can be used physically as power as many people point out with things like chi or ki, but i do think it is in itself powerful. I mean heck its everything. Anyways just a little Daoist perspective for y'all.

Ronin_Musashi

01-22-2005, 02:36 AM

I believe in God, The Father, The Son and In the Holy Spirit.
Amen.
I'm glad that you have strong beliefs in this area Eeky; maybe you could share some of them with us. For example, do you believe that the Holy Spirit can come into a person and give them a kind of state of grace? Expand on it a little bit. This was intended to be a discussion thread. Personally I find that Christian Theology and metaphysical theology can be quite similar in some areas.
I can't do anything special... i jumped a car battery with it a few times
That sounds pretty special to me liminosse :smile-big. I can't do that, even with the Aikido classes I'm currently taking!

Gunshin

01-23-2005, 01:45 AM

cardiovascular fitness + a fit body with no "pretty muscles" to waste oxygen with > Chi ^_^

liminosse

01-23-2005, 02:32 AM

akido is a very good martial art to learn about your ki in though, i have a friend whos in it and his master old master could move stuff with his ki, really amazing stuff, hes been working on a special harm touch lately, he touched my friends masters arm lightly and nothing happened although the next day he had two spots that looked like bad spots on a roten peach or something on his arm and he claimed it hurt like hell the next day... so i dont see throwing a little juice into a battery to get the alternator going as a big thing :)

also like its explained in naruto energy comes not only from the sprit or the body but both so a well trained cardio and fit body would make one better with thir ki i would think, ... maybe i need to quit smoking and start running again... study bruce lees fighting method vol2 basic training , it has some great ideas about the use of energy ;)

laorquidia

01-23-2005, 02:50 AM

I beleive that there is ki/chakra, etc. I do bikram's yoga, where they heat the room to 105oF and from that I've learned that you can control your energy through meditation. Your body is exhausted, at times dehydrated, but if you will it, you can make it do many things. I think this energy that you dig into find is that spiritual energy. Conservation of energy would state that energy you put out has to equal the energy you put in, so it must come from something - spiritual or real....

liminosse

01-23-2005, 02:57 AM

heres a question, if we don't have energy flowing through us, driving us, why do we have to sleep?

Exerzet

01-23-2005, 06:13 AM

I believe that spiritual power do exist.
Not only because it feels right to me, but also because i have seen and felt proof of it.
My friends brother actualy proved to me it existed, by making steel as soft as cloth with his touch.
All he did was to hold it, and focus, and viola! it turned into that state.

I have also had some experiences with ti myself, and noticed a test that ppl can take to find out if they are able to use it. It's quite a simple test to.

Gunshin

01-23-2005, 07:29 AM

Well- i'm going to say this fully accepting that theres a 99% chance noone will believe me, but i'm going to give it a try to maybe prevent someone from getting a serious ass beating someday when you attempt to throw a chi fireball at a 360lb black man named Dante and he breaks your neck and steals your shoes.

I have trained Aikido. I have trained three different forms of Karate. I have trained in Gung-fu. I have trained in many Martial Arts. I started with Shotokan Karate and got a black belt at 12. I'm going to fast forward into my time in Aikido which was about 17. At thay point I was already a black belt in shotokan and kyokushin. I was also boxing and fought in several small smokers and had just began muay thai. I was also a white belt at Gracie Jiu Jitsu. (other notes- i studied kung fu at hoover chan's wing chun kung fu academy in oakland ca/different story another time). Back to Aikido. When I first entered the Dojo the first thing I noticed was that they do not spar full contact... or not even half contact. They do not do "resistance training" because the techniques are too *cough* deadly. The first couple of weeks I played a long. We had some odd excersises and we were talk some basic wrist locks and etc.. Anyways- one day I had an argument with a 260lb man (black belt) who was claiming that size is not a factor in a fight. Why? Because the power of "ki" balances everything out. He also mentioned smaller guys having speed. It ended up with all sorts of ugly. He wanted me to spar with one of the black belt females. He said it would end up with her tossing me (a white belt) around even though she only weighs 110lbs. I accepted the challenge. How did it end up? I shot a single leg takedowd, took her to the ground, and did a amateur text book armbar from the mount. He said somthing like "if she got a hold of me... blah blah" so this time I gave her my wrist for free. How'd it end up? I resisted. I outmuscled her by pulling her towards me. I clinched her head with my forearms at the side of her head, if I wanted to I could have kneed the shit out of her. After that he said some BS (don't remember exactly) but it ended up with me saying somthing like "yeah right, do you really think you can grab me so easily?" Anyways, he couldn't grab my jab and it hit him in the face. (not the point)

POINT - I know theres a gigantic chance you won't believe me. Either that or you'll say "it was a bad school" or "the people sucked" but I have expierienced these things from many schools America AND Japan (so don't give me that "American schools are shitty excuse"). PLEASE, for the sake of god and your own life, don't believe that "ki" will PHYSICALY give you superpowers to win a fight. I've disprooven the "KI" being able to use magicaly theory time and time again. The reason this stuff really bothers me is because this Aikido student got killed in California when he tried to disarm a robber who broken into his house. His roomate said that he tried to grab the gunmans wrist and disarm the gun which resulted with the gunman (described as the bigger man) throwing him to the ground and shooting him in the head. TV and Movies has instilled a false vision of how fighting works, and many people believe this garbage created by holywood and movie studios.

SO BEFORE YOU THINK I'M A CRAZY HATER...

Look into the times news investigators looked into the use of "KI" in a fight. Try FOX NEWS coverage of Dim Mak practioner Dillman.

PS. I believe in spirit. You can call it chi, ki, or whatever. BUT- Its not somthing you can physicaly use in combat. You can't throw kamehameha. A 105lb girl cannot use chi to throw a 210lb man of muscle who is resisting her. It's BS.

liminosse

01-23-2005, 01:00 PM

really so watching a 160lb man flip a pickup over in one heft must be spirit, or watching my father, 180lb tops pull the engine out of that pickup with his bare hands... one handed? sprite, hey bro you want to feel the opower, this ain't a challange to fight, just to see the power... come to 341a edwards richmond kentucky, i'll let you touch the "magic power"

Ki only balances everything if you know how to use it, that aside im not gonna say the chick you sparred with sucked or the dojo, all akido stinks, the master of it here told me that himself, he said himself it would lose in a mixed martial arts comp. that it was made to go aginst the average person throwing a wild attack, then agianif you don't beleive to tend to close your eyes to it anyway, you have to want to believe before you can see things amazing happen, before you will look for them to happen

i've never took a martial art, they are to slow for my taste, one class a week ,COME ON PLEASE!~! yet i know in a real combat situation, i couldn't be beaten, i've trainned my body and mind since i was 7 by myself, 5 years ago i stopped trainning my body but started doing my mind more intensely, why can't i lose in a combat situation? becaue i dont like to fight and the only time i would is to protect an important person to me, or to protect my or one of those persons dreams, when a person fights that way, they can't be beat, even by mike tyson, people around here have something that has become forgein to most the world anymore, ... its called... heart

Ronin_Musashi

01-23-2005, 02:03 PM

That's odd, my experience with aikido has been pretty good. I would say that you probably should take another martial art first so that you understand some of the movements and techniques better (after all, the founder of aikido, O-sensei, was a kenjutsu master). I remember when I first went to an aikido dojo a couple of years ago. I was a black belt in Matsumura Shorin-Ryu Karate (that's an Okinawan style), and had just moved to Seattle. The thing that I remember about the class the most was how incredibly efficient every movement and technique was. When you study a martial art for a long time, you start to understand the basic concepts of not wasting movement and maximizing the effectiveness of your techniques. Any ways, I decided to take classes there and came face to face with spiritual energy in combat. I (a 180 lb. guy who's probably of average strength) was taken down by an 85 year old woman who could barely sit down correctly and was probably 100 lbs soaking wet. Now I'm not saying that you don't need strength in combat. No matter how effective your techniques are, it's going to take alot more strength to take down a 260lb guy than a 100lb woman. What I have found though, is that every old person that I have met that practices a martial art can usually take down much younger and stronger men. My former karate sensei, who was about 50 at the time, once took down a 30 year old tough-as-nails ex-Marine with one hand after the man insulted a technique we were practicing. Certainly some form of ki was used here, but I have found that even those who train extensively in ki development generally cannot use this power until they become much older and more experienced.
I would recommend reading Ki and the Way of the Martial Arts (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1570629986/qid=1106503188/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-6082371-8169525?v=glance&s=books) for more information on Ki in combat situations.
all akido stinks, the master of it here told me that himself, he said himself it would lose in a mixed martial arts comp
Interesting. So you met Morihei Ueshiba who established Aikido in 1920 and died in 1969, 12 years before you were born (according to your profile)??? And how are you qualified to make judgements on Aikido if you haven't even taken a single martial art yourself? Oh, and also, since Aikido doesn't involve striking the opponent, yeah, it would lose in a mixed martial arts competition; which involves STRIKING an opponent to score a point. But the point of Aikido is to defeat your opponent before you strike a blow; not that you would understand that philosophy.

liminosse

01-23-2005, 02:38 PM

did i say i met him? i said the master of it here, akido isn't ment for fighting its for self defense, least thats what i get out of it, just because i don't take akido don't mean i don't study it and talk to people who teach it and learn it, after all part of trainning the mind is study. Gunshin was talking about taking down a black belt in akido being a whitebelt himself, the point i was trying to make is that akido isn't ment for head to head martial arts combat, its more of a defensive style to accompany your offensive style... maybe not but thats the way i see it. didn't mean to insult if thats the way it seems, i was being sarcastic when i said all akido stinks

Gunshin

01-23-2005, 04:02 PM

I never said all Aikido sucks or stinks. I specificaly said theres no such thing as using Ki physicaly. You can't shoot fireballs, you can't use it to throw a 360lb man from one side of the room to the other. If I was merely bashing Aikido, I wouldn't have studied it. Reading and comprehension.

BTW-Being open minded doesn't always mean believing somthing. Sometimes being opened minded means to try not to believe in somthing and see both sides of the coin. That kid did get shot in the head trying to disarm a robber who had no intention of shooting him. I consider that a consequence of believing a force that will not help you in a combat situation. Does Ki exist? Yes, I believe it does. BUT it's not somthing you can use. You can mention all these parlor tricks scam artist have used to prove it can be used, but until some legitimate researchers have looked into it and said: "Yup, this man can throw a CHI fireball, and theres no science behind it" or "This 110lb woman can throw this 360lb buff mass of muscle who is "RESISTING HER AND TRYING TO HIT HER with the power of Chi". NO. And its dangerous and irresponsible to give people false confidence in a power that will not save their asses in a deadly situation.

Gunshin

01-23-2005, 04:13 PM

i've never took a martial art, they are to slow for my taste, one class a week ,COME ON PLEASE!~! yet i know in a real combat situation, i couldn't be beaten, i've trainned my body and mind since i was 7 by myself, 5 years ago i stopped trainning my body but started doing my mind more intensely, why can't i lose in a combat situation? becaue i dont like to fight and the only time i would is to protect an important person to me, or to protect my or one of those persons dreams, when a person fights that way, they can't be beat, even by mike tyson, people around here have something that has become forgein to most the world anymore, ... its called... heart
Thats way to melodramatic. You're watching way too many cartoons and playing way too much videogames.

liminosse

01-23-2005, 06:38 PM

Gunshin

01-23-2005, 06:52 PM

heh, i doubt that, i've been like that since before i started watching anime... maybe the mike tson thing is a little much, but oviously i was right, you don't know what "heart" is, lemme ask you this, what would you do, if you were tied to chair being made to watch your own mother be raped knowing they had intentions of killing her when they finished having their way?
Obviously you were right? What are you talking about. You have no reasoning to back your claim. As for your ridiculous theoretical question, it has happened in real life to many people and no one has used there super saiyan strength to break out of steel chain and rope to save their mother. In fact, usually they're all killed. Example? A couple weeks ago a Priest and his family were killed, tied up throats slit.

"January 16, 2005 -- The father of a murdered New Jersey family was threatened for making anti-Muslim remarks online — and the gruesome quadruple slaying may have been the hateful retaliation, sources told The Post yesterday.

Hossam Armanious, 47, who along with his wife and two daughters was found stabbed to death in his Jersey City home early Friday, would regularly debate religion in a Middle Eastern chat room, one source said.

Armanious, an Egyptian Christian, was well known for expressing his Coptic beliefs and engaging in fiery back-and-forth with Muslims on the Web site paltalk.com.

He "had the reputation for being one of the most outspoken Egyptian Christians," said the source, who had close ties to the family.

The source, who had knowledge of the investigation, refused to specify the anti-Muslim statement. But he said cops told him they were looking into the exchanges as a possible motive.

The married father of two had recently been threatened by Muslim members of the Web site, said a fellow Copt and store clerk who uses the chat room.

"You'd better stop this bull---- or we are going to track you down like a chicken and kill you," was the threat, said the clerk, who was online at the time and saw the exchange.

But Armanious refused to back down, according to two sources who use the Web site.

Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah Healy would neither confirm nor deny that cops and prosecutors were looking into the religion motive, saying only that "nothing is being ruled out." But a relative of the mayor who answered the phone at Healy's home said there was information the murders were "religion-related."

"There are several theories we are looking into, but we are not commenting on any of them at this time," said Hudson County Assistant Prosecutor Guy Gregory.

Armanious' fervor apparently rubbed off on his daughter, Sylvia — who would have turned 16 yesterday.

A family member who viewed photos of the bloodbath said Sylvia seemed to have taken the most savage punishment.

"When we saw the pictures, you could tell that they were hurt really, really bad in the face; especially Sylvia," said Milad Garas, the high-school sophomore's great-uncle.

The heartless killer not only slit Sylvia's throat, but also sliced a huge gash in her chest and stabbed her in the wrist, where she had a tattoo of a Coptic cross.

Also found murdered were the wife, Amal Garas, and the parents' other daughter, Monica.

Fred Ayed, the deacon at St. George and St. Shenouda Church, where the deeply religious family attended services, said he's worried that the murders could have a ripple effect.

"I am concerned for the safety of our community," said Ayed, who knew Hossam for 30 years. "People are scared because one family was slain like cows," said Moheb Ghabour, publisher of a local newspaper for the Coptic community.

Osama Hassan, director of the Islamic Center of Jersey City, described the relationship between Copts and Muslims as cooperative if not friendly.

"I think there might be people that can get into physical fights, but not to the point of murder," Hassan said.

Both the deacon and uncle poured cold water on the theory that the family were the victims of a robbery gone wrong.

"This is not a robbery, Ayed said. "We found all of the jewelry in the house. They didn't take anything."

The FBI confirmed it has been called in to help with the case.
Additional reporting by Heather Gilmore
http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/38704.htm

"The heartless killer not only slit Sylvia's throat, but also sliced a huge gash in her chest and stabbed her in the wrist, where she had a tattoo of a Coptic cross."

So where was the priest mystical chi power to save his family? Are you claiming you're more special than him?

PS- If you really think you can beat Tyson with your Final Flash/Chidori or whatever, why don't you fight him, beat him, and be an instant millionaire?

"Well because I don't like to fight..."

liminosse

01-23-2005, 07:05 PM

you dont break the ropes, you break the chair then use the ropes to hang those bastards, like i said most the world has forgotten what heart is, i feel for the family, but thats a prefect example of what i was talking about, whos to say the were't froze in fear at the thought of death? i didn't see where it said there was struggle did you? want an example \? the guys that stood up to the terrorist on 9-11 and caused them to crash the plane before they got to where they were supose to go... you still have a lot to learn about what the open mind is as well my friend, do you exist at all?, can't really say yes, can't really say no can ya?

Gunshin

01-23-2005, 07:15 PM

liminosse

01-23-2005, 07:17 PM

whos micheal moore? and spin and fallacy? what the hell is fallacy?

Ronin_Musashi

01-23-2005, 10:35 PM

Hey you guys, break it up! I do believe I said that we should have a "constructive debate" at the top of this topic. That means no arguing. Gunshin, obviously you don't believe that ki can be used in combat situations. That's okay; however, realize that this thread is about all types of spiritual energy. Secondly, when we ARE talking about ki used in combat, we are not talking about kamehameha waves and other magical attacks. We are refering to things like maximizing the effectiveness of a punch, kick or block. You can take that however you want to. Some think, for example, that the whole process of "using ki" is really just a mindset that helps you to maximize the effeciency of your technique; whether that means not wasting movement or using the muscles to their full extent. And in any case, anyone who thinks that they can wrestle away a gun from someone is a dumb ass. My senseis and both of the dojos I took classes at have said that if someone has a gun, you do whatever the hell they want you to do. The only case where they have said you should try to take the gun away, is if they are going to shoot you anyways. Oh, and please explain to me how that news story is in any way related to the use of ki in combat?
Liminosse, no martial art is meant for fighting; it IS self-defense. No respectable sensei is going to tell you to use it for fighting purposes. Most of them will even kick you out of the dojo if they find out that you used martial arts to hurt others when your life or other's were not at risk. The whole point of martial arts are to avoid fights and, when unavoidable, to resolve them as quickly as possible. Now yes, Aikido is a defensive art. Unlike karate or taikwondo, Aikido has no punches or kicks, and thus you cannot harm someone very easily (you can still of course get them into an arm bar and break their arm if you so desire). But that doesn't make it less effective. Since you have no real experience with martial arts, I would stay away from making assumptions based on what other people say. If you did have some experience, you might understand the idea of not attacking someone unless there is no alternative; this idea is central to ALL true martial arts. Even if you have to run away and look like a coward, that is the true way of martial arts.
But both of you need to chill. Part of the reason we have these discussions is because there is no way to find out 100% if you CAN use ki or not. No one is "right" here, so please stop insulting each other. If you want to lay out a logical, rational case for it being one way or another, that's fine.

Gunshin

01-23-2005, 10:51 PM

Oh, and please explain to me how that news story is in any way related to the use of ki in combat?
Easy. First, you need to put it in context with the poster I was responding to. He asked me a (IMO ridiculous) theoretical question suggesting that if my mother was being raped before my eyes and I was tied to a chair, what would I do. The answer he suggested was to use my KI to break the chair. So I used the news article to show that his suggestion was not logical. IT ISN'T. The article showed the reality of his theoretical question. So in context with what he said, the article is very relevant.

Gunshin

01-23-2005, 10:56 PM

Another thing, not all martial arts were created solely for the purpose of self-defense. TKD, Pankration, Vale Tudo, Capoeira, Muay Thai, and etc.. were created for reasons outside of "self-defense".

EDIT- My Muay Thai Kru teaches me how to KO the man on the other side of the ring as me. Is that not respectible?

liminosse

01-23-2005, 11:04 PM

i still want to know who micheal moore is and what fallacy is :P i never ment it to be an arguement i just wanted to see how open he really was

my goal was to get him to acknowledge that anything is possable heh :)

as for my exprience in martial arts, well lets just say i know they are ment for self defense, what i was trying to get accross was exactly what you said before, akido is best if you already know another martial art, i see it as a defensive style, to complament an offensive such as kung fu... there are others ways of learning and learning about different martial arts then going to a class every week, though i would enjoy doing so, i would devote my life to many different martial arts at once, if i weren't so dang broke

boxing and muai thai and stuff i see them as ment for competitors

but yea back on topic, i feel theres energy everywhere. you wake up refreshed to work or whatever, you go hoome do some stuff, you go to sleep to replenish what?

btw I love you guys :x

Ronin_Musashi

01-23-2005, 11:05 PM

I agree, that is not respectable. I must have misspoke. I meant that MOST martial arts (at least in the way that they are taught now) are practiced for self-defense. I realize that not all were (I mean, just look at Dim Mak, how could you possibly justify using that on someone?), for example various kenjutsus (sword arts) were once used as a fatal way to fight someone. In any case, what I meant is that Aikido, karate, and many other martial arts are not and should not be used to hurt others, but not using them in an aggressive way does not mean that they should be considered less effective.

Hakuzo

03-21-2005, 05:23 PM

i believe in Ki and Chi so much. the reason is b/c some pp have a lot of power though their normal body couldnt handle it.

falconmain

03-21-2005, 05:52 PM

I have had to do ki training and it is a pain and gunshin is half right ki is not like naruto that if you focus ki to your feet you run faster or cling to walls like a fly. Ki is simple a focusing of energy to a point such as breaking or hardening parts of your body for an impact but most of the time it is something that takes time to gather and focus. In a fight your fighting not concentrating on focusing ki to your hand or arm(unless you really really outmatch someone but then its just overkill anyways). Ki strikes are a different matter they mess with your energy flow and can do some damage but you have to be very skilled and even then you probably would never want to use it. one of our instructors did ki breaks at demonstrations basically he had a stack of five brick and would have someone pick a brick and he would break only that one out of the stack(though sometimes he failed). I know sounds fishy but I have seen it on Espn too so I assume some of you have seen it as well. ki is not a super power and like gunshin said it is not going to make you fly or toss around huge bulking men with easy.

Jester12

03-21-2005, 06:29 PM

Spiritual energy is real, hands down. Though I call it either C'hi or an aura... it is the power ppl use in extreme conditions or in spiritual things. I use it when I use my seer vision: when I look at ppl's auras.

whiteguy

03-24-2005, 01:44 PM

isn't aura the power of the character of ur sole and chi, ki and chakura the power of the mind and the body of ur sole?

Kagutsuchi

03-24-2005, 06:57 PM

have u noticed spiritual energy has been used in many animes: Naruto (chakra), DBZ, Shaman King (Furyoku), Bleach, and some others. I doubt ppl just made up spiritual energy. I believe u can unleash some energy but there is a barrier that keeps u from doin so.

cinder31

03-24-2005, 07:51 PM

Since we humans are limited by what we understand, there is no way for us to know what spiritual energy is except for the fact that it exists. We are truly foolish to try to learn powers that are beyond us. We should just accept our fate as minute, insignificant blips in time and not trifle with the powers that hold the world in balance.

oka-chan

03-25-2005, 01:21 AM

I have not praticed martial arts from anywhere...However, I do have a say in such topic.
I believe that perhaps the what we so called Chi( spiritual enegy) could be a from of enegy that is the hidden power of human( and all animals). It is an enegy that is like the 'Gate' of Lee's fighting techniques. Those enegys are the enssential stored enegy that our cells would die without. It is mostly used in a urgent times. However, when a person has obtain enough experients with the art of martial, they can control the enegy and the amount which they release.

PS
Actually I do not agree with the "out of our league" theory about spiritual energy. To say the truth, the body IS ours. So I guess that perhaps when we are doing something rather....impressive is because our brain is mostly focused on that part of our body.
(I have tried that before. I remembered that there is a time that i can hear very well...even a swing of arm, but my vision was super blurry...until i comes back to 'normal'...I was trying to listen for foot steps ...for some reason, then all my focus were on my sense of sound...It was cool though, if only i can learn how to control it....)

hokageryu

03-25-2005, 05:05 PM

Sorry if im a bit of topic but has any body ever heard of bujinkan well i have been studing it for over a year so im a new but there are some similis to the naruto world for exampel the move from neji the 64 what ever the name ther is such a thing to a digree its not like the anime but it does sort of the same it dosnt cut your chacra but it can nock you out or leave you like a vegtable but the chacra,ki,chi thing is also real to a digree i think every living thing has it because it the energy of the body its what makes you move if you did not understand or it didnt make any sens sorry for waisting your time o and sorry if i mispelled some thing :)

oka-chan

03-26-2005, 07:10 PM

You know, I believe your words do make a sense.
To think about the holes(the ones that he attacks Hinata, which almost killed her), that he's seeing, is like one of those chinese medical ...stuffs, which they uses needle to stick on them for healing...we can actually explain chakra as the flow of blood in their vassals. Because if bloods doesn't flows well in your body, the harder you can move slightly.
In theory, the holes are essential nerves that with enough impact hitting on it. It could sent massages thought our body to limit, or to expand a certain area of our body.
sorry, I'm not doing a good job of explaining...

e.g.
In chinese madical....stuffs, most of your Chi, is concentrated on your ...Tummy....(adobman...?). When the tummy...had received a powerful impact, the chi of our body is in ruin. Which exp why it hurts so bad when our tummy...was punched.
So perhaps the what we so called "spiritual energy" can be exp as the well function of our body....(??)

PS sorry for the silly word: tummy

Shinobi_Demon

03-30-2005, 08:57 PM

agreed, I believe in Ki, Chakra, Ch'i,

Shinobi_Demon

03-30-2005, 08:57 PM

I do believe in the Ki/Chi thing. It's just that now in this day and age, human kind is too ignorant to be able to use their spiritual energy to do such things.
agreed, I believe in Ki, Chakra, Ch'i,

HarrySTruman

03-31-2005, 12:55 AM

I'm a student of the japanese martial Arts, Seido karate more specifically. We believe ki flows from the stomach and most defensive/offensive moves reflect this in some way.

On a personal level, I believe ki/chi is connected to the mind rather than the body. It is with this we are able to conjure up the strength to perform amazing feats with adrenaline - ex., Lifting a car to save trapped children. In this case the body's physical limitations are ignored through the efforts of the mind with the sudden channeling of ki.

Ki exists in all living things. As the human race evolves, our bodies will remain more or less the same since we have technology to overcome any physical ailments. Our evolution will be a mental one and with the increase of our thinking capacity, a greater connection/control of ki will be established in the coming generations. (loosely based on the Indigo children theory)

mystic_serpent

03-31-2005, 11:26 PM

Science has proved the existence of chi- because every thing in the universe can be broken down into smaller and smaller bits of energy. There are many 'types' of energy accounted for in both science and spirituality, but I don't believe it is possible to hurt another human being with the energies without suffering dire consequences for the action- the law of three and karma apply. An afterthought, it is a generally BAD idea to go messing with the energy with negative intentions or evil ambitions. Don't play with God or what belongs to Heaven. Good luck and safe journey. If you want some advice-PM me.

oyabin

04-01-2005, 03:03 AM

E=mc^2

Mass is energy, just the wavelength of the energy wave is SOOOO small you cans tell. Each human is essentially condensed energy. The problem is the transferrence of that mass into another form of EXHERTED energy.

Gisaku Kimura

04-02-2005, 08:01 AM

I believe chakra, etc. are possible, but some experiences can also be explained by epinephrine (adrenaline). It's possible that by focusing your thoughts on your abdomin that you are unknowingly accessing your adrenal gland (located in your abdomin ofcourse) and releasing epinephrine into your blood stream. This is what gives people the ability to do "super-human feats", as some might put it. Also I believe in mind over matter, and that with great concentration and focus you can do some pretty amazing things.

Shijero

04-04-2005, 07:28 PM

To think about the holes(the ones that he attacks Hinata, which almost killed her), that he's seeing, is like one of those chinese medical ...stuffs, which they uses needle to stick on them for healing...

That would be acupuncture and pressure points...i believe...

And i do believe there is some form of energy...however it is something hard to control...but possible...just like moving your ears...it's possible but only some people are able to control their ear movement...

chye8

04-05-2005, 07:39 AM

Hmmm...sounds a lot like the force. I think it's more will power than anything else. I haven't seen anyone use it though.

cygnus

06-22-2005, 09:16 AM

Its all about your mind. The human mind can do crazy things. As has been said before people can lift cars to save their children. It apparently happens with certain party drugs too. I have heard of, I kind of doubt it though, people, during an OD, pulling fire hydrants out of the ground and then fainting.

If you have the power to completely control your mind, you could focus more energy for a reason than your body would normally allow. The drugs, in this way, cut out your brain's natural limits. You don't actually have extra reserves of 'chi' or 'ki' or whatever, you are just using all your energy for one action.

{EDIT} The more I think about it, it pretty much is like the Gates. Your mind (the gates) normally stops you from doing something damaging to your body, but when there is a reason, like to protect a person precious to you as in the car situation, or you learn to control your mind, you can focus more energy into a movement. It's like super adrenalin, instead of just using your digestive systems blood it would use all of your bodies blood at once.

zeoblade

07-05-2005, 12:02 AM

Let's discuss the concept of Spiritual Energy, whether it exists and if it does, what properties does it have? By Spiritual Energy I mean the concept of an invisible energy force or will; It is called Ki by the Japanese, which comes from the Chinese C'hi. One could also translated into the Christian concept of The Holy Spirit. Basically do you think that there is some sort of energy (or being/will) that is contained in all things and/or can cause changes (whether they can be seen or not) in the physical world, and what kind of characteristics does it have?

I believe in a combination of Western and Eastern philosophies on this. I believe in the meridian/chakra/ki systems prevalent in many Eastern philosophies and religions, and that they are an integrated part of the organs and other biological functions found in Western medicine. Also I believe that this energy can be manipulated by humans and used in conjunction with the body. I believe this because it feels right to me, and because I have indirectly witnessed this kind of energy being used in my martial arts classes.

This particular question is not a religious one, it is more of a spiritual one. And because no one knows what the truth is in this case, I don't want anyone bashing on other ppls believes. Civilized debates are okay of course :P

Chinese call is "Qi" and I don't know much about it myself but I think it exists but I don't think the holy spirit has anything to do with it haha! But you'd have to study Qi Gong if you are really interested, whcih is my advice. However you'd run into the same problem I have, who teaches it and where can it be learnt? If I find out I'll put the details here.

By the way what Gongfu do you study? I can only do one basic exercise where my straightened arm will not bend. A lot of practioners in Shaolin temple can apply it well so it really exists but I have not been to Shaolin yet to study it.

bloodydemon

07-05-2005, 02:25 AM

well i believe in chi manipulation and telekensis and what not like that all comes from your spirit energy cuz ponder this for a minute. OK when you die where will your mind be? its gotta be somewhere! can you comprehend your mind not existing? i don't think so. But it the very same factor as in the energy of your mind existing without body then there is some sort of energy there that isn't nessicarily physical which means you should be able to manipulate it. Understand anything i just said?

tell me if you find some hole in that somewhere.

Heldensheld

07-05-2005, 05:03 AM

Sounds like a White boy speaking there. Ki has ABSOLUTELY no common factors with the "Holy spirit". The holy spirit is a form of God, like Jesus. Ki is something from the body.

Ya hear me :shakes fist.

zeoblade

07-05-2005, 05:27 AM

SilverFang26

07-11-2005, 04:17 AM

It is also spelled "chi" in many books and other forms of literature.

I do believe in Ki personally.
I have never made the connection of Ki to the Holy Spirit but it does somewhat make sense as it is described as an abiding presence that was brought into the world to be with us and assist us in our lives. It takes little, for many who believe, to find evidence of its existence. It is not such a far stretch to compare the two.

I have been dabbling in many different beliefs/religions/martial forms to see if there is any that brings further enlightenment onto the subject. I am currently attempting to find a reason why I seem to be much more capable of accessing and manipulating Ki/Life Energy/whatever you want to call it when I am not conciously thinking about accessing/manipulating it.

I have a hypothesis that the subconscious instinctual part of me knows that the resource is there and needs only be used while my conscious mind wants to analyze and understand how and (even deeper) why it is there/why it works/how it works.

I think that this is relevant and any thoughts from others would be greatly appreciated especially if they lead to greater understanding.

zeoblade

07-11-2005, 10:05 AM

It is also spelled "chi" in many books and other forms of literature.

Westerners spell it "chi" and this is incorrect pinyin. "Chi" has other meanings but "qi" is the correct spelling in pinyin.

I have a hypothesis that the subconscious instinctual part of me knows that the resource is there and needs only be used while my conscious mind wants to analyze and understand how and (even deeper) why it is there/why it works/how it works.

I think that this is relevant and any thoughts from others would be greatly appreciated especially if they lead to greater understanding.

You won't find it on a forum that's for sure. Those who know don't go on forums, they train.

OtacontheOtaku

07-13-2005, 08:19 PM

Unfortunately, many people think the bodies "Inner Energy" doesn't exist... they are of course, dead wrong. The problem is most people think of it in either too much of a mystical system and relate it to people flying around on tree branches or they think of it in too much of an extreme (showcased in shows such as DBZ). Not many people realize what exactly it is, which of course I'll explain in some nice detail here:

In the human body, there is a very unique force, this driving force is composed of small electrical (for lack of a better term) synapses that run throughout the entire body, these synapses integrate into the blood flow of the body, the internal organs, and virtually every other function within the body. Now, there are main lines throughout the body called "meridians". You can actually feel where these lines make stops to generate energy through your body, these are most comonly reffered to as "pressure points". Physical injury can actually be healed through "meridian massage". Now, meridian massage isn't some kind of hocus pocus ancient chinese myth, it's incredibly real and incredibly effective, I'll even include a little piece on how to do it at the bottom of this post ^_^ . Meridian message (the more concentrated form called meridian therapy, designed to heal) is being studied the world around by hundreds of colleges, centers of health research, and various other institutes the world over. This is what the "C'hi" is.

It's at this point I'm going to point out, that it isn't possible for the C'hi to leave the body like how say, Neji uses it. You can't use it as a weapon, however, you can use it to make your body a much more lethal weapon, though it's much easier to just train your physical body, and through c'hi-gung (which I'll explain momentarily) expand you understanding of what exactly C'hi is.

Now I'll explain c'hi-gung. C'hi-gung is a form of controlled breathing. You simply place your tongue on the top ridge or your mouth, and breathe in imagining a current of energy traveling up the middle of your head, down your spine, now breathe out imagining the same current travelling between your legs, and up the front of your body back into your mouth. Repeat this process while place your left hand over your right, over your heart for about 15 minutes, then your stomach for about 15, then your bladder for a final 15. This will leave you incredibly relaxed, and also you will notice it actually improves the functions of your vital organs. Now, how exactly does it do this you may be asking. It's actually incredibly simple, you see, by allowing your body to have such a regulated flow of energy, your blood flows in both a greater amount and much more smoothly. By holding you hands above those vital organs, you create a heat (a heat generated by the ends of the meridians in your hands), this heat attracts purer blood and expands the organs allowing for accelerated healing and relief of stress. Interesting fact, after you've tried this on the bladder, you'll notice that your urine will actually be a thicker color, a sign of your bladder actually doing a much better job filtering the crap in your body.

While I wish I could go into greater detail about the practical fighting uses of C'hi, I can't. All I can say is once you get a feel for how to push it around in your body, it helps improve both striking power and target penetration. Something that once again is actually much better to physically train in order to be able to do it.

I'll now quickly go into "Dim Mok". Basically, Dim Mok allows a person to kill another target with only several to one strikes of the meridians. There is currently only one man alive actually capable of doing this technique, anyone who claims otherwise is a filthy liar who can only temporarily plug the nervous system, not the meridians. The man who is actually capable of doing this is named William Chung. He is the Grandmaster of Wing Chun, the single best form of martial arts in the world. The reason he is the only person actually capable of performing this, is because he is the only man in possession of the Chinese scrolls detailing how to destroy the body through manipulation of the meridians, he reversed this process and created meridian therapy.

If you're interested in Dim Mok, I'm sorry, but the whole process was only very briefly described to me by Si-Gung (grandmaster), so sorry everyone ^_^; .

So, in conclusion, C'hi exists, but you can't use it like most people think. However, I'm not sure of the physical manipulation of it all... I watched the Grandmaster elongate his forearm by three inches right in front of my eyes (don't worry, it wasn't a slight of hand trick, we acurately measured his completely outstretched hand before and 10 seconds later, his arm was three inches longer). So, as far as it's limitations... I have no idea... but it's amazing when I think about the potential.

Also, anyone who wants a explanation of precisely why Wing Chun is the best martial art in the world, just ask, and I'll put it up here.

Now for my promised section on Meridian Massage!

Alright, to start the process turn over your left arm. Directly under the creases of your wrist, on the left hand side press down firmly, this is the end of your stomach meridian. Press along an imaginary line to about an inch over the crease of the middle of your arm, this point should actually hurt a little as you press it, keep massaging up along that line (AND ONLY UP, if you massage down you will actually inhibit blood flow!) about 6 or 7 times. Do the same thing on the right side of that same arm. On the other side of your arm fold your arm so you can see the crease in your arm, at the edge of the crease, press down firmly, this is called the tripple heater, and massage on a gentle diagonal line down the arm to the right of the top of the wrist. Now press down on the point generally known as the funny bone, and massage on a line to the left side of the top your wrist. Continue both of these 6 or 7 times. If you happened to occur any kind of damage to your arm that day, you'll feel it becoming warmer and the pain start to lessen, if you keep up on this process, your wound will actually heal faster as well! Try it out for yourself, and look up William Chung, his meridian therapy, and Wing Chung Kung-Fu!

zeoblade

07-14-2005, 03:34 AM

I'll now quickly go into "Dim Mok". Basically, Dim Mok allows a person to kill another target with only several to one strikes of the meridians. There is currently only one man alive actually capable of doing this technique, anyone who claims otherwise is a filthy liar who can only temporarily plug the nervous system, not the meridians. The man who is actually capable of doing this is named William Chung. He is the Grandmaster of Wing Chun, the single best form of martial arts in the world. The reason he is the only person actually capable of performing this, is because he is the only man in possession of the Chinese scrolls detailing how to destroy the body through manipulation of the meridians, he reversed this process and created meridian therapy.

If you're interested in Dim Mok, I'm sorry, but the whole process was only very briefly described to me by Si-Gung (grandmaster), so sorry everyone ^_^; .

Also, anyone who wants a explanation of precisely why Wing Chun is the best martial art in the world, just ask, and I'll put it up here.

Try it out for yourself, and look up William Chung, his meridian therapy, and Wing Chung Kung-Fu!

So you know a bit about Qigong? I'm glad to meet another Gongfu practioner. However, please remember we do not say a way of Gongfu is the best way. There are many ways of Gongfu, Yong Chun is one. It seems you are interested in Qi and Nei Gongfu, maybe I can recommend you practice Taiji because every expert knows, practices and uses Taiji with their Gongfu.

OtacontheOtaku

07-14-2005, 12:46 PM

So you know a bit about Qigong? I'm glad to meet another Gongfu practioner. However, please remember we do not say a way of Gongfu is the best way. There are many ways of Gongfu, Yong Chun is one. It seems you are interested in Qi and Nei Gongfu, maybe I can recommend you practice Taiji because every expert knows, practices and uses Taiji with their Gongfu.

I don't use C'hi Gung as anything other than something to relax and heal, I really have no interest in practicing it with any kind of movements. Most forms of Tai C'hi I've come across are just soooo damn boring. I like to fight, full-contact, so training eats up a fair slice of my time, not leaving much other than moments I just want to relax.

zeoblade

07-15-2005, 03:50 AM

I don't use C'hi Gung as anything other than something to relax and heal, I really have no interest in practicing it with any kind of movements. Most forms of Tai C'hi I've come across are just soooo damn boring. I like to fight, full-contact, so training eats up a fair slice of my time, not leaving much other than moments I just want to relax.

You know the Wade-Giles romanization of Chinese is over powered by pinyin now. It's a shame you don't use everything that is Qigong or practice and apply Taiji to your Gongfu. Real Gongfu uses them but if you're not serious about Gongfu then you don't need to practice them, however, if you are then your training won't go far without them.

Hippie

04-22-2008, 09:43 PM

If chi doesn't exist how does acupuncture work? acupuncture is the redirection of the chi flow.

batanga

04-22-2008, 09:50 PM

If chi doesn't exist how does acupuncture work? acupuncture is the redirection of the chi flow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theories_regarding_acupuncture

Xion

04-22-2008, 10:04 PM

Wow, a three year old necrobump. You're quite the noob. Half the members who made the original posts are now dead.

But as most things spiritual go, we cannot prove it one way or the other. The more people insists that chi is real, the more it will be dismissed as mere functions of the brain and nervous system.

Of course I believe in it though. :zaru

Koerdis

04-23-2008, 02:07 AM

Im new here sorry to flog a dead horse, but i feel i have something to contribute to this thread before it is submerged into death once again.

I have an interesting story to contribute, I have been doing karate for a while now, and the concept of Ki and spiritual energy is a common topic in discussion there. I was aslways a bit sceptical about the whole issue, but in a recent lesson one of my senseis asked for four sudents (one of them myself) to come to the center of the class where there was a chair, he asked oe of us, as a fairly big guy, to sit in the chair, while the other three of us including my sensei, to perform a small exercise to keep us "focused and coordinated" then he told us we were going to lift him out of the chair with two fingures (index and middle fingures from the same hand) each, and i kid you not, after telling us where to place our fingures we proceeded to lift this guy who was just about twice my weight of the chair and above our heads with little effort at all.

My sensei told me it was "Ki" :)

PerveeSage

04-23-2008, 02:45 AM

as an agnostic im not such a spiritual person, but i have a scientific explination.

see, i believe in telekinesis, the ability to move things with your mind. Two different scientific facts come together to support my theory;

your brain creates electricity in order to think, sense, and manipulate your body. it is capable of creating a lot of electric energy through the day and replenishes itself when you sleep.

If you study lightning, you will find out that before a negative charge of a lightning bolt strikes, you can sometimes see a positive bolt reaching up from the ground to connect to the negative bolt.

i believe telekinesis is the act of using your brains electricity to put energy into an object and therefore cause it to move, and therefore is what could be explained as "spiritual energy".

Jagon Fox

04-23-2008, 03:04 AM

i believe in it as well. though I simply call it energy. can i convince skeptics about it? no and I don't bother, because I'm not sure how. Are people too ignorant to use it? Depends on the person, there are plenty of people who do and this seems a perfect era too do so. I've noticed that different people have different feels to their energy, mine feels like a cool tingle. I sometimes use different energies in massage. I've also learned a couple of "games" to help learn to mold, and control energy flow.

Minorin

04-23-2008, 03:27 AM

Wasn't there a report some time ago that the mind can sort of "trick" itself into producing adrenaline (a person standing in front of a mirror imagines him/herself lifting weights, and the monitors show a very slight rise of adrenaline)? Could that be a "scientific" explanation of ki?

Firedraconian

04-23-2008, 08:56 AM

i believe telekinesis is the act of using your brains electricity to put energy into an object and therefore cause it to move, and therefore is what could be explained as "spiritual energy".

Even if something like was possible - which it isn't - it would be the equivalent of blowing lightly on a brick and expecting it to hover in mid-air. Spoiler alert - it won't. That's why we have muscles. Incredibly complex, energy-devouring muscles that we use to pick things up and move them. As opposed to shooting lightning with our minds. Which, I might repeat, is impossible, and shows a fundamental lack of knowledge about how the brain works.

Tokoyami

04-23-2008, 12:18 PM

Spirtual energy?

Is it like renewable energy?

PerveeSage

04-23-2008, 01:50 PM

Even if something like was possible - which it isn't - it would be the equivalent of blowing lightly on a brick and expecting it to hover in mid-air. Spoiler alert - it won't. That's why we have muscles. Incredibly complex, energy-devouring muscles that we use to pick things up and move them. As opposed to shooting lightning with our minds. Which, I might repeat, is impossible, and shows a fundamental lack of knowledge about how the brain works.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster_2.jpg

you cant disprove it, and you cant disprove telekinesis.

there is no correlation between telekineticly willing an object to move and using wind force to move something, theres nothing equivalent about the two. my theory, and ill admit thats what it is, has nothing to do with what we currently know about the brain. it is about what the brain could be capable of.

Tokoyami

04-23-2008, 01:52 PM

THEORY!?

Sir a theory can be proved by sceince.

What you just said CANNOT BE!

.....Misuse that word one more fucking time........

PerveeSage

04-23-2008, 02:03 PM

The big bang cant be proved and is a theory.

and also if i remember correctly humans dont use 95% of their brain. that leaves a lot to be capable of telekinesis, even if its not done through how i think its done.

Tokoyami

04-23-2008, 02:11 PM

You do realize that that 95% of the brain thing is.....WRONG RIGHT!? I don't remeber the specifics but I know that has been disproved.

Second theres actual evidence for the big bang. Now show me the evidence for your nagashi telekinesis thinger and I just might possibly be inclined to believe you.

PerveeSage

04-23-2008, 02:48 PM

i dont see any proof to both of your baseless claims.

Tokoyami

04-23-2008, 05:55 PM

Sigh.....

Cosmic background radiation.......

Not to mention the dominance of hydrogen and helium in the universe which is pretty damn impossible to explain with any other theory..........

NaruTayu forever

04-23-2008, 06:06 PM

I'll now quickly go into "Dim Mok". Basically, Dim Mok allows a person to kill another target with only several to one strikes of the meridians. There is currently only one man alive actually capable of doing this technique, anyone who claims otherwise is a filthy liar who can only temporarily plug the nervous system, not the meridians. The man who is actually capable of doing this is named William Chung. He is the Grandmaster of Wing Chun, the single best form of martial arts in the world. The reason he is the only person actually capable of performing this, is because he is the only man in possession of the Chinese scrolls detailing how to destroy the body through manipulation of the meridians, he reversed this process and created meridian therapy.

If you're interested in Dim Mok, I'm sorry, but the whole process was only very briefly described to me by Si-Gung (grandmaster), so sorry everyone ^_^; .

So, in conclusion, C'hi exists, but you can't use it like most people think. However, I'm not sure of the physical manipulation of it all... I watched the Grandmaster elongate his forearm by three inches right in front of my eyes (don't worry, it wasn't a slight of hand trick, we acurately measured his completely outstretched hand before and 10 seconds later, his arm was three inches longer). So, as far as it's limitations... I have no idea... but it's amazing when I think about the potential.

You see maybe he's the only one who knows Dim Mok, but the Hindu culture has something similar. I'm thinking that the Tamilians of India and the Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans are some how connected because they have some thing called marmas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prana

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varma_ati
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayurveda