Jack Krauser vs. Solid Snake

[Captain Pimp]

Jack Krauser from RE4 and Snake from MGS...

Scenario: They fight on a bridge connected between two cliffs.

Restrictions: Snake can use a pistol and knife while Krauser can use his bow and knife too (I'll also let him use his transformation).

Who wins?

[Gaara of the Desert]

Jack Krauser all the way.

[ZergKage]

Jack Krauser never impressed me, i'll take snake

[Giovanni Rild]

Krauser is the personification of the word soldier

Krauser wins

[ZergKage]

Maybe my memory is slipping....what did Jack do that puts him a step up from Snake???

[Captain Pimp]

All I know is that Jack is friggin fast in the game and has a nasty transformation that can skewer his opponent badly. His final form is pretty much annoying...

[Nexas]

Krauser got beaten by Leon, and then Ada. Despite both being complete badasses neither one has the combat experiance of Snake.

[ZergKage]

Krauser got beaten by Leon, and then Ada. Despite both being complete badasses neither one has the combat experiance of Snake.

Exactly....add to the fact that Snake fights people like this on the regular and you get a dead Jack.

[Captain Pimp]

But anyways, seeing as Snake is a very experienced fighter...Krauser in his final form would really destroy Snake since Snake has to go forward on the bridge...

[ZergKage]

In his final form Jack cant fire his Bow so Snake has the range advantage.

[Gaara of the Desert]

Krauser got beaten by Leon, and then Ada. Despite both being complete badasses neither one has the combat experiance of Snake.

Hello!!! Why do you think Saddler hired him in the first place? He kidnappeed the president's daughter, one of the VIP's in the world.

[Goodfellow]

Whenever Snake meets more powerful enmies, he defeat them with intellect. Snake uses the knife and sever bridge (if it's a rope one). Otherwise, he hides inside a cardboard box. Duh!

[Orion]

snake has taken much more powerful people in the past.

[Master of the Sharingan]

Krauser's transformation is what makes the biggest difference. But Snake has done some amazing things in the past. It's too hard to decide.

[Captain Pimp]

Whenever Snake meets more powerful enmies, he defeat them with intellect. Snake uses the knife and sever bridge (if it's a rope one). Otherwise, he hides inside a cardboard box. Duh!

No cutting the bridge! :yell

One of them must survive to win...besides, cutting the bridge down would be total suicide =/

Plus, Krauser's formation has a wing-like shield that prevents bullets from hitting him. So Snake will have to jump over Krauser and knife him in the back (which I would love to see XD)

[Giovanni Rild]

Krauser's evil with close range combat. Snake isn't Beating Krauser in close range combat

[Doggie]

The setting is unfair.It puts krauser at a clear advantage.If they werent on the bridge Id say snake all the way,but as there on a bridge Im uncertian........nah,I still say Snake.

[Giovanni Rild]

Thread is biased in favor of snake. ]

Krauser has the ability to transform his left arm into a large, tentacular, bladed appendage which he uses to eviscerate enemies and to shield his body against attacks. In addition, Krauser exhibits a superhuman physique, demonstrating spectacular leaps and surviving hails of gunfire. The origin of Krauser's special abilities is unknown. Ada's files accuse him of "falling to the temptation of Las Plagas," indicating that his powers result from infection by a Plaga parasite. This possibility is supported by the fact that Krauser is vulnerable to the P.R. 412 Plaga Removal Laser. However, Ada also comments that she has studied his fighting style and "knows how to deal with that arm of his," implying that his abilities predate his infiltration of Los Illuminados. Given his allegiance to Wesker and the Umbrella Corporation, he may have been infected by one of the various strains of the Progenitor Virus, as Tyrants have similar, long-clawed arms. It is also notable that he does not have discoloured skin and strange eyes like the las plagas hosts.

[ÐÈPRÈŞŞÈÐ]

I would say Krauser would win. With the Las Plagas, it would take a good amount of firepower to take him down. Close range goes to Krauser with his arm(or knife). THe only way snake can win is if he stays far away and shoots him. However, Krauser is pretty fast, and his arm can block bullets, so I don't know if Snake can even do that.

[Captain Pimp]

The setting is unfair.It puts krauser at a clear advantage.If they werent on the bridge Id say snake all the way,but as there on a bridge Im uncertian........nah,I still say Snake.

Well, some people are still saying Snake could win even though I narrow the battlefield to make it even. Since some of you guys think Snake has a much better chance when he has more space around him <_<

[Doggie]

Solid Snake defeated Big Boss,the man hailed as the ultimate soldier

He destroyed Metal Gear 3 times

He defeated the worlds greatest sniper

He fought hand to hand with a genetically enchanced Ninja who had both advanced strength and reflexes

He beat the worlds most powerful Psychic

He defeated Vulcan Raven,a man strong enough to survive an explosion in a tank.

The list goes on and on.

All Krauser has got is some Spike on his arm.Compared to Snakes expirience and skill,that would be useless



Krauser doesen't have a hope in hell of beatin him

[Captain Pimp]

Solid Snake defeated Big Boss,the man hailed as the ultimate soldier

He destroyed Metal Gear 3 times

He defeated the worlds greatest sniper

He fought hand to hand with a genetically enchanced Ninja who had both advanced strength and reflexes

He beat the worlds most powerful Psychic

He defeated Vulcan Raven,a man strong enough to survive an explosion in a tank.

The list goes on and on.

All Krauser has got is some Spike on his arm.Compared to Snakes expirience and skill,that would be useless



Krauser doesen't have a hope in hell of beatin him

That is why I had to make it even for both characters so I narrowed the place to fight on a bridge since Snake is highly skilled. I'm impressed with Snake's feats, dont get me wrong...

But if you played RE4, Krauser in final form prevents bullets from hittig him (unless you hit his feet...) and he is one fast person too. If you played mercenaries too, his arm can skewer any enemy in one hit (including Dr. Salvador who takes so many bullets to die). And now that I've set them on a bridge to fight, it makes it more even for Snake and Krauser.

[Liquid Ocelot]

You have to realize that Solid Snake is the offspring of the greatest soldier that ever lived, in Big Boss.

Snake takes it, by a mile.

Edit: Snake can kick Jackasses' ass, escape the bridge, take some guy's car, and make it to chat with Mei Ling in the local coffee shop and then some.

[Zack_Strife]

The bridge makes it even easier for Snake. He's a master of CQC (evidence: MGS4 plus he fucked Big Boss in hand to hand combat) and if Twin Snakes is considered canon he's capable of some insane shit. He's also highly intelligent and an excellent marksman.
Krauser in base form is resitant to damage, can move at high speed and he can fight with a knife and bowgun. Neither can outshoot the other but Snake can outdo him in CQC, his speed isn't a factor because all he can do is move forward or backwards.
Krauser with his arm is less of a challenge. His stabbing attack is easily dodged by Leon who is markedly inferior to Snake and if he wants to use his arm as a sheild he loses his speed. Snake caps his legs, he falls, headshoot. Rinse and repeat.

[Liquid Ocelot]

The bridge makes it even easier for Snake. He's a master of CQC (evidence: MGS4 plus he fucked Big Boss in hand to hand combat) and if Twin Snakes is considered canon he's capable of some insane shit. He's also highly intelligent and an excellent marksman.
Krauser in base form is resitant to damage, can move at high speed and he can fight with a knife and bowgun. Neither can outshoot the other but Snake can outdo him in CQC, his speed isn't a factor because all he can do is move forward or backwards.
Krauser with his arm is less of a challenge. His stabbing attack is easily dodged by Leon who is markedly inferior to Snake and if he wants to use his arm as a sheild he loses his speed. Snake caps his legs, he falls, headshoot. Rinse and repeat.

Pwn that sucka!

[Freija]

tbh, it's more like a handicap to give snake a knife, he personally stated he's not good with blades and that he doesn't like them(MGS 2, when Raiden is given the sword), well either way, Snake wins for obvious reasons already stated.



He's a master of CQC what i always wondered since i saw that trailer is, HOW THE FUCK DID HE LEARN CQC ? it must be the worlds biggest plothole.

[Liquid Ocelot]

Maybe it's in the genes. You never know.

[Freija]

then why didn't he know CQC during MG 1/2 and MGS 1-2 ?

[Liquid Ocelot]

Hmm....makes sense.

Still, Solid Snake can pwn anyone.

[Freija]

i am inclined to agree.

[Liquid Ocelot]

Which basically means he will pwn everyone in MGS 4.

Bleh, the storyline just got ruined.

[Zack_Strife]

then why didn't he know CQC during MG 1/2 and MGS 1-2 ?

I'm inclined to believe it's because the design team didn't initially think of it or there where limitations in the game which prevented it. MGS1 didn't feature first person mode or the ability to drag bodies, neither MGS1 nor MGS2 featured the first aid or stamina system. It's just gameplay mechanics that they add to improve the game.

[Goodfellow]

Which basically means he will pwn everyone in MGS 4.

Bleh, the storyline just got ruined.

Liquid Ocelot is hardly easly pwnd, he is part Snake as well. And if Raiden turns his coat, then he'll be pretyt hard to beat. Not to mention that Snake is past his prime. Have faith lad! Also, Snake never said he is bad with blades, he said he doesn't like Blades. If he doesn't count that knife as a blade, that's the question.

[Comic Book Guy]

he fucked Big Boss in hand to hand combat

Killing Big Boss with an improvised flamethrower does not equal to owning Big Boss in CQC.

[Captain Pimp]

What is CQC if anyone can tell me?...I'm clueless about that..

[The Anti-Existence]

Close-Quarters Combat, I think. And Krauser sure as heck showed more of it than Snake ever did. Unless punch, punch and kick are A-grade technical skills for a combatant?

Krauser can kill Snake in a ton of ways. Easiest to see is to use his arm to block Snake's fire and run at him. Then if Snake goes for his feet, jump up and on top of Snake, take out his legs and impale him.

Solid Snake dies the death he should have seen when he fought mantis.

[Orion]

krauser lost to leon,and snake could beat leons ass you have my answer.

[Elijah Snow]

Like vlaaad12345 said, it's all simple math people: Snake>Leon>Krauser. So if you use this and simple logic you get your answer.

[The Anti-Existence]

Well, some people realize the logical failure involved in saying because A can do something, B can do it as well. That fails because it does not take into the fact severall factors such as : luck, strategy, knowledge of the opponent and his moves the other may not know, plot-induced stupidity.... So, I'm gonna factor in theri abilities and Snake comes up short.

[seifer26]

Snake would probably own Krauser, in this local, but on a whole Krauser is a soldier as well, a pretty strong and fast soldier.

[Birkin]

It's too stupid if the old Snake is the real Snake, how can he know CQC? How can he know where The Boss' grave is? It doesn't make sense, but back on topic.

Do we count Twin Snakes as canon?

[Amatsu]

It's too stupid if the old Snake is the real Snake, how can he know CQC? How can he know where The Boss' grave is? It doesn't make sense, but back on topic.

Do we count Twin Snakes as canon?

Well how could Big Boss be alive when his remains are in the hands of the government? I doubt they made him into a cyborg straight out of Snake's Revenge.

Besides how could Otacon be helping Big Boss? That would make no sense at all.

[Birkin]

Well how could Big Boss be alive when his remains are in the hands of the government? I doubt they made him into a cyborg straight out of Snake's Revenge.

Besides how could Otacon be helping Big Boss? That would make no sense at all.

Yes you're right, but in a trailer we HAVE seen young Snake, in the end of it.
and now he knows CQC, oddly enough and he knows The Boss' grave which doesn't really make sense either. We'll just have to wait.

Maybe he never died? :)

[Doggie]

No contest. Snake rapes Jack Bauer over and under several times.

[Amatsu]

Yes you're right, but in a trailer we HAVE seen young Snake, in the end of it.
and now he knows CQC, oddly enough and he knows The Boss' grave which doesn't really make sense either. We'll just have to wait.

Maybe he never died? :)

Well you never know... Snake could have found out where the Boss' grave is from someone. He's got lots of connections after all. He could have found out from practically anyone... or maybe since he's a clone of Big Boss he gained all of Big Boss' memories.