Super Vegito vs Superboy Prime

[Giovanni Rild]

Fight take place inside the Hyperbolic Time Chamber

Fight to the death

[Reznor]

I only saw much of Superboy in Teen Titans.

From what I read of him in that, I don't think he's up to par. I mean, he couldn't insta-kill Robin when he was mind-controled.... Robin has only human physically abilities.

What about Superboy Prime?

[Giovanni Rild]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superboy_Prime

Powers and abilities
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Kryptonian powers

Superboy-Prime has all the basic Kryptonian powers, including super-strength, the power of flight, super-speed, super-breath, arctic breath, super-hearing, super-vision (including X-ray, heat, microscopic and telescopic visions), and invulnerability to any force other than psionics and non-yellow suns, except his power-levels are at the godlike stature of the Silver Age Superman of Earth-One before he was depowered in John Byrne's reboot. As such, he can travel at speeds faster than light, move entire planets vast distances, and survive in space for long periods of time.
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Power suit

Despite his growing insanity, Superboy-Prime exhibits the same Kryptonian super-intelligence shared by the pre-Crisis Earth-One and Earth-Two Supermen by designing his power suit. Patterned after the Anti-Monitor's armor, it collects and feeds him yellow solar energy. It is destroyed when the two Supermen fly Superboy-Prime through Krypton's red sun.
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Weaknesses

Whereas most versions of Superman have a weakness to magic, Superboy-Prime claims he does not.[24] Additionally, most versions are affected by Kryptonite; however, Kryptonite does not affect Kryptonians from other universes, and the Krypton of Earth-Prime's universe — unlike other versions of the planet — was destroyed when its sun Rao went nova (rather than in an explosion that might create kryptonite), so there is no known kryptonite that can affect Superboy-Prime.[25]

His reaction to psionics has not been fully explored, although Martian Manhunter is shown to be able to read his mind in Infinite Crisis #7, so it can be assumed that he is not completely invulnerable in this area.

His only known weakness in this universe is his reliance on yellow sun radiation as the source of his superpowers, and it is this weakness that the heroes exploited to finally neutralize him. After the speedsters push Superboy-Prime into the Speed Force, they imprison him under red sunlight for several years. Kal-El and Kal-L defeat Superboy-Prime by flying him directly through Krypton's red sun Rao, forcing him to burn up his solar energy stored in his body to protect himself from the intense heat of a star, destroying his armor and sacrificing their powers to even the odds.

[Gunners]

I dunno Superboy prime is pretty tight but Vegito we never saw his peak. Vegito could cause added damage due to the magical nature behind his powers but Superboy is somewhat imune.

Anyway I give this to Vegito being the better fighter.

[Art of Run]

We never saw much of Super vegito...appart from he could pwn buu as a piece of candy. o.o

I have not seen much of Super boy but im gonna read that info now

[yuhun]

Who is Superboy Prime?

[Art of Run]

dude your sig XD

[Shadow Replication 1480]

I'll go with SBP on this one. Escaping the Speed Force, killing a bunch of GLs, and beating Earth-2 Supes to death is really hard to argue against.

[Havoc]

SBP took on an army of GLs, fought 2 Supermen evenly, and killed Earth-2 Superman. I'd say SBP wins this.

[SoulTaker540]

SBP took on an army of GLs, fought 2 Supermen evenly, and killed Earth-2 Superman. I'd say SBP wins this.

And he took a magical attack from Black Adam,then bitch slapped him to Earth-8.

[Amatsu]

I think a better match up would have been Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta with infinite fusion time vs Superboy Prime. Considering it's said SSJ4 Gogeta is the strongest DBZ character.

[Giovanni Rild]

I think a better match up would have been Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta with infinite fusion time vs Superboy Prime. Considering it's said SSJ4 Gogeta is the strongest DBZ character.

He's not canon. Nuff said

[Amatsu]

He's not canon. Nuff said

Who cares about canon-ness? There's no rule in the battledome stating the character needs to be TOTALLY canon in order to use them.

[Giovanni Rild]

Who cares about canon-ness? There's no rule in the battledome stating the character needs to be TOTALLY canon in order to use them.

I do, as well as some others. This isn't SS4Gogeta vs SuperBoy Prime.

It's Super Vegito vs SuperBoy Prime.

[Rice Ball]

Superboy Prime takes this.

Imagen superman without the weakness, without the goodness.
In IC he-
Killed Superboy
Killed half the Green Lantern Core
Killed earth 2 Superman
Killed loads of Titans members by accident
Was trapped under the red son by the flashes, he escaped.
Was assulted by black Adams magical melee attacks, laughed at it before oneshotting black adam

You could summeries him as Superman without the weakness. Greater strength and Anti Monitor armour that is basicly feeding him yellow sun energy constantly.

[Amatsu]

I do, as well as some others. This isn't SS4Gogeta vs SuperBoy Prime.

It's Super Vegito vs SuperBoy Prime.

I know. I'm just saying SSJ4 Gogeta would have been a better match up instead of Super Vegito. Considering SSJ4 Gogeta is stronger. Whether it's canon or not.

[Rice Ball]

I know. I'm just saying SSJ4 Gogeta would have been a better match up instead of Super Vegito. Considering SSJ4 Gogeta is stronger. Whether it's canon or not.

Thats seriously debaitable.
The Ear rings were alot more powerful than fusion dance and Vegeto didn't even have to power up to SSJ3 to totally outclass Super buu.

But thats for another discussion :)

[Comic Book Guy]

You know. . . this reminds me of the Vegito vs. Vegito topic, where it was Superman Prime vs. Super Vegito.

Now, we have Superboy-Prime (who aspires to be Superman-Prime) in place.

[Neon]

I think a better match up would have been Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta with infinite fusion time vs Superboy Prime. Considering it's said SSJ4 Gogeta is the strongest DBZ character.


SSJ4 Goegta isn't even a DBZ character to begin with:huh

And superboy prime would win this.....

I mean if we have superman vs ssj3 goku debates then a guy who takes on two superman at once must win this right:amuse

[SoulTaker540]

Superboy Prime with or without the armor would be too much,we're talking a planet moving,reality warping punch,FTL juggernaut.He is bassically as good as Earth-2 Superman without the armor,and a match for Superman of Earth-1 and 2 with the armor.We don't know how strong Super Vegitto is,but it's probably not as powerful as that.

[Kai]

I think a better match up would have been Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta with infinite fusion time vs Superboy Prime. Considering it's said SSJ4 Gogeta is the strongest DBZ character.

Please don't joke about that.

[Scorpio3.14]

Superboy Prime moved around planets throughout the universe like chess pieces shifting the entire gravitational center of the universe in a matter of weeks in his spare time (most of the time he wasnt doing anything and was in the other dimension with E-1 Superman). Sorry, I dont see Vegito winning this.

[Endless Mike]

Does this really need to be asked?

Only the ignorant or the most stubborn DBZ fanboys would say Vegeto.

EDIT: Oh, and before someone brings it up: Vegeto is a more skilled fighter. However, Mike Tyson is a more skilled fighter than Juggernaut, but that doesn't mean he'd win.

[Tazmo²]

I won't say either because I hardly know anything about DC comics and we never even saw Vegito at full power.

[Phenomenol]

Does this really need to be asked?

Only the ignorant or the most stubborn DBZ fanboys would say Vegeto.

EDIT: Oh, and before someone brings it up: Vegeto is a more skilled fighter. However, Mike Tyson is a more skilled fighter than Juggernaut, but that doesn't mean he'd win.

You are a twit, as said you aren't actually making an argument. You're simple saying "SBP wins because I said so Nyar nyar nyar."

Also as already said noone knows the LIMITS of Vegettos power therefore this thread is just as daft as you.

[DrunkenYoshimaster]

I know. I'm just saying SSJ4 Gogeta would have been a better match up instead of Super Vegito. Considering SSJ4 Gogeta is stronger. Whether it's canon or not.

not really. The power feats and displays in DBGT were so much weaker due to it not being cannon. And Portarra was a much stronger fusion. We have no way of knowing who wouldve really been considered stronger had SSJ4 Gogeta appeared in the manga. But in the Bodukai games Vegitto seems faster at least, and theyre about the same strength.

[Endless Mike]

You are a twit, as said you aren't actually making an argument. You're simple saying "SBP wins because I said so Nyar nyar nyar."

Also as already said noone knows the LIMITS of Vegettos power therefore this thread is just as daft as you.

No one knows the limits of Naruto or Itachi's power either, does that mean we speculate that they're a billion times more powerful than they've been shown to be?

No, we use what has been shown and demonstrated.

[Tazmo²]

No one knows the limits of Naruto or Itachi's power either, does that mean we speculate that they're a billion times more powerful than they've been shown to be?

No, we use what has been shown and demonstrated.


True but the gap from SSJ2 and SSJ3 was quite huge. It would be gargantuan since Vegitto is a potara fusion. Hell, Vegito wasn't even stated to be SSJ2. He might be SSJ1.

[Phenomenol]

No one knows the limits of Naruto or Itachi's power either, does that mean we speculate that they're a billion times more powerful than they've been shown to be?

No, we use what has been shown and demonstrated.

wrong, you think your bias can hide behind your weak posts, Vegetto has no showings he barely even stays for a chapter, Your just using a damn cop-out.

I know, why don't I use Anime Vegetto to knock your oh so precious SBP back into the damn Phantom Zone. bet you wouldn't want to use what was "shown and demonstrated.:notrust "

[Shadow Replication 1480]

Considering that SBP broke out of the Phantom Zone when he was first put in there, I doubt that'd be a feasible course of action.

[Endless Mike]

wrong, you think your bias can hide behind your weak posts, Vegetto has no showings he barely even stays for a chapter, Your just using a damn cop-out.

I know, why don't I use Anime Vegetto to knock your oh so precious SBP back into the damn Phantom Zone. bet you wouldn't want to use what was "shown and demonstrated.:notrust "

Really, what did the filler Vegeto do that was so great?

Punched Buu in the face, stopping his supposedly 'universe - destroying' attack?

Considering his physical strength is nowhere near that of even Post - Crisis Superman, Superboy Prime would do the same thing with one finger.

[Phenomenol]

Really, what did the filler Vegeto do that was so great?

Punched Buu in the face, stopping his supposedly 'universe - destroying' attack?

Considering his physical strength is nowhere near that of even Post - Crisis Superman, Superboy Prime would do the same thing with one finger.

Base Vegetto EASILY held and kicked a planet destroying attack powerful enouigh to "Vaporize earth in an instant." Greater physical strength than SBP has ever demonstrated.

Vegetto easily wins in a curbstomp.

[Shadow Replication 1480]

Superboy-Prime altered reality just by punching the wall of the dimension he was in and wasn't even at full power due there being no yellow sun present. He also punched through a 300-mile thick GL construct wall that was supposed to keep him away from Oa.

Super Vegetto is pretty much out-matched in the strength department here.

[Scorpio3.14]

Base Vegetto EASILY held and kicked a planet destroying attack powerful enouigh to "Vaporize earth in an instant." Greater physical strength than SBP has ever demonstrated.

Vegetto easily wins in a curbstomp.

SBP easily survived emmersion into a RED sun, aka a fernice of millions of similtatious fusion explosions that would instantly vaporize thousands of Earths....:huh

Also, how is kicking a Ki energy ball considered physical strength???

[Endless Mike]

Base Vegetto EASILY held and kicked a planet destroying attack powerful enouigh to "Vaporize earth in an instant." Greater physical strength than SBP has ever demonstrated.

Vegetto easily wins in a curbstomp.

How is that physical strength?

I can lob around a hand grenade, does that mean I can do more damage than a hand grenade with a punch?

[DrunkenYoshimaster]

True but the gap from SSJ2 and SSJ3 was quite huge. It would be gargantuan since Vegitto is a potara fusion. Hell, Vegito wasn't even stated to be SSJ2. He might be SSJ1.


In the manga you can kind of tell he is ssj2 by design, and all the lightning. Only SSJ2s have the lightning and electricity around them and their ki blasts in the manga by the way.

[jplaya2023]

In the manga you can kind of tell he is ssj2 by design, and all the lightning. Only SSJ2s have the lightning and electricity around them and their ki blasts in the manga by the way.


In the manga he had the electricity only when he powered up, a trait of ssj2 is the electricity stays with you the entire fight. He was only ssj1, remember old kaiou told him not to go ssj saying it would be overkill for the fight. Nappa when he powered up on earth had electricity as well but he's no where near ssj2

[Comic Book Guy]

Fused aiyans could be considered to be different. With Gotenks' jump to SSJ3, and Super Vegito demonstrating SSJ2 characteristics, it's possible to say that as a fused Saiyan warrior, the SSJ levels could be mixed or overlapping. The key word here is could.

[Havoc]

Base Vegetto EASILY held and kicked a planet destroying attack powerful enouigh to "Vaporize earth in an instant." Greater physical strength than SBP has ever demonstrated.

Vegetto easily wins in a curbstomp.



Do you actually know who SBP is? Maybe you should read IC again.

[Phenomenol]

How is that physical strength?

Vegetto held and kicked an attack that could "Vaporize the planet in an instant" EASILY into space. That is strength and Durabiltiy.

in the actual fights in the anime Vegito rarely pulls out anything fancy, that isnt the issue so who cares, research your comics or dont speak, and we go with high end showings

Yeah I gave you a high end but you dismiss it as bad writing. Buu has the power to destroy the UNIVERSE and Veggeto was more powerful than him. I don't have to research anything you condescending little fool.

[Keollyn]

In the manga he had the electricity only when he powered up, a trait of ssj2 is the electricity stays with you the entire fight. He was only ssj1, remember old kaiou told him not to go ssj saying it would be overkill for the fight. Nappa when he powered up on earth had electricity as well but he's no where near ssj2

Actually, the electricity only shows when you charge your aura. Go watch Gohan VS. Cell and then right after that go look at the Majin Vegeta VS. Fat Boo fight. You'll see.

[Endless Mike]

Vegetto held and kicked an attack that could "Vaporize the planet in an instant" EASILY into space. That is strength and Durabiltiy.

Only if you assume that the blast's destructive capability was directly proportional to its mass, which is completely unsupported.

Yeah I gave you a high end but you dismiss it as bad writing. Buu has the power to destroy the UNIVERSE and Veggeto was more powerful than him. I don't have to research anything you condescending little fool.

Yes, destroy it with a special technique that caused a chain reaction, not raw power.

That's like saying if some guy had the Ultimate Nullifier, but I took it from him and beat him up before he could press the button, that makes me more powerful than someone who could destroy the universe.

Of course, this is all moot since it's non - canon anyway.

[Phenomenol]

Only if you assume that the blast's destructive capability was directly proportional to its mass, which is completely unsupported.

ASSUME? LOL it is stated that the blast could VAPORIZE the planet in an instant.

Yes, destroy it with a special technique that caused a chain reaction, not raw power. That's like saying if some guy had the Ultimate Nullifier, but I took it from him and beat him up before he could press the button, that makes me more powerful than someone who could destroy the universe.

Of course, this is all moot since it's non - canon anyway.

Irrelevant garbage, Buu was using ki to destroy the universe and that is RAW power for the DBZ universe! Vegetto wins in a curbstomp.

[Comic Book Guy]

Irrelevant garbage, Buu was using ki to destroy the universe and that is RAW power for the DBZ universe! Vegetto wins in a curbstomp.

Anime filler.

[jplaya2023]

Actually, the electricity only shows when you charge your aura. Go watch Gohan VS. Cell and then right after that go look at the Majin Vegeta VS. Fat Boo fight. You'll see.

Negative, a charactoristic(sp) of ssj2 is small bolts of lightning flashing every few seconds.

Vegetto was just a ssj. Old kaiou told him not to go ssj that extra power was unnecessary

[Keollyn]

Negative, a charactoristic(sp) of ssj2 is small bolts of lightning flashing every few seconds.

Vegetto was just a ssj. Old kaiou told him not to go ssj that extra power was unnecessary

No, the electricity ONLY shows when they charge their aura. I say once again to go watch the Gohan VS. Cell fight and then watch the Vegeta VS. Fat Boo fight. Don't respond to me until you do.

And Vegetto was never base form. That is... unless you're using the second highest canon...

[jplaya2023]

No, the electricity ONLY shows when they charge their aura. I say once again to go watch the Gohan VS. Cell fight and then watch the Vegeta VS. Fat Boo fight. Don't respond to me until you do.

*sigh* im finding the scans now.

vegetto was only ssj1.

[Phenomenol]

No, the electricity ONLY shows when they charge their aura. I say once again to go watch the Gohan VS. Cell fight and then watch the Vegeta VS. Fat Boo fight. Don't respond to me until you do.

Waht are you debating? if you are saying that Vegetto was in Super Saiya-jin 2 you are wrong. He was only in Super Saiya-jin 1.

[Keollyn]

Waht are you debating? if you are saying that Vegetto was in Super Saiya-jin 2 you are wrong. He was only in Super Saiya-jin 1.

Did you see me say anything about Vegetto?

[Comic Book Guy]

It could be a direct result of a fusion between those who can go Super Saiyan. Gotenks skipped SSJ2 to go to SSJ3; Super Vegito displayed some SSJ2 characteristics. Key word being could.

[jplaya2023]

Did you see me say anything about Vegetto?


umm?? im confused here who are you talking about vegetto(goku and vegeta fusion) or vegeta?? You just did "did you see me say anything about vegetto"

[jplaya2023]

It could be a direct result of a fusion between those who can go Super Saiyan. Gotenks skipped SSJ2 to go to SSJ3; Super Vegito displayed some SSJ2 characteristics. Key word being could.

elder kaiou told them not to go ssj the power could be to much for them

and nappa also had electricity when he powered up and is no where near ssj2

vegetto was a ssj1

[Keollyn]

umm?? im confused here who are you talking about vegetto(goku and vegeta fusion) or vegeta?? You just did "did you see me say anything about vegetto"

You said that the electricity shows ALL the time for a SSJ2, and I am stating that that isn't true.

Vegetto is of no concern to me with this point I'm bringing up.

[Cthulhu-versailles]

???????????????????
we have no idea what Vegito is capable of, though we know he is the strognest being in dbz ever and considered unmatched. However, that still tells us bombkin.

Who wins?
The answers is unknown and even to assume a winner is too show favoristism. SP long list of amazing feats are great and all, but the fact is we don't have anything to Compare. LOL. You can't even attempt to use past strength of dbz chars. Seriously, I dare someone to try and present something even remotely sane regardining how strong ubereed fusion Buu was. LOL. Not to mention that crap with the magic barrier. HA! HA!

This fight is hilarious.

<- steps back and watches EndlessMike and Phenomenal go to war against each other.

[jplaya2023]

You said that the electricity shows ALL the time for a SSJ2, and I am stating that that isn't true.

Vegetto is of no concern to me with this point I'm bringing up.

no i said electrcity shows in small spurts throughout the time not all the time.

That's only true for a ssj3

[Scorpio3.14]

elder kaiou told them not to go ssj the power could be to much for them

You keep saying this, but that was anime filler. In the manga elder Kaiou only said not to fuse while in the SSJ form because they would be stuck in that powered up form forever and their body couldnt handle that. Elder Kaiou said that once they were fused it was fine to go SSJ, but he didnt think they would need to.

[Phenomenol]

???????????????????
we have no idea what Vegito is capable of, though we know he is the strognest being in dbz ever and considered unmatched. However, that still tells us bombkin.

Who wins?
The answers is unknown and even to assume a winner is too show favoristism. SP long list of amazing feats are great and all, but the fact is we don't have anything to Compare. LOL. You can't even attempt to use past strength of dbz chars. Seriously, I dare someone to try and present something even remotely sane regardining how strong ubereed fusion Buu was. LOL.

This fight is hilarious.

<- steps back and watches EndlessMike and Phenomenal go to war against each other.

LOL! their is no war going on because I have stated the same. Vegetto's limits are unknown and people are saying SBP wins because they say so nyar nayar. Therefore this thread is DAFT!

[Keollyn]

no i said electrcity shows in small spurts throughout the time not all the time.

That's only true for a ssj3

Once again, not true. I keep repeating to you to take a look at the Gohan VS. Cell fight. Gohan's aura is constantly glowing when he's fighting Cell as a SSJ2 and that's why the electricity shows from time to time. Same thing with SSJ3 Goku when he fought Boo. But when Vegeta foguth Boo, his aura wasn't constantly glowing and that's why the electricity only showed when he actually charged his aura.

Basically, you can actually miss knowing someone's a SSJ2 if they're not charging their aura.

[jplaya2023]

Here's nappa powering up with electricity, clearly he isnt ssj2
http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/photo.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume19/Db19ch01/_res/res_%5B1%5D-ch-1-page-1-2-%5B8-9%5D.jpg

Here's gohan first time at ssj2
http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/photo.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume34/Db34ch12/db34pg169.GIF

here's gohan mainting the electrcity in spurs throughout the fight
http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/photo.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume34/Db34ch12/db34pg170.GIF

http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/photo.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume34/Db34ch12/db34pg171.GIF

http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/photo.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume34/Db34ch12/db34pg172.GIF

http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/photo.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume34/Db34ch12/db34pg173.GIF

http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/photo.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume34/Db34ch12/db34pg174.GIF


Here's vegetto going ssj before his fight with buu notice the electrcity just like nappa's

http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/photo.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume42/Db42ch02/420202.gif


Notice now that all pictures of vegetto have no electrcitiy around it
http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/photo.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume42/Db42ch02/420204.gif

http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/photo.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume42/Db42ch02/420205.gif

http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/photo.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume42/Db42ch02/420206.gif


http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/photo.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume42/Db42ch02/420207.gif

http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/photo.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume42/Db42ch02/420208.gif

[jplaya2023]

Once again, not true. I keep repeating to you to take a look at the Gohan VS. Cell fight. Gohan's aura is constantly glowing when he's fighting Cell as a SSJ2 and that's why the electricity shows from time to time. Same thing with SSJ3 Goku when he fought Boo. But when Vegeta foguth Boo, his aura wasn't constantly glowing and that's why the electricity only showed when he actually charged his aura.

Basically, you can actually miss knowing someone's a SSJ2 if they're not charging their aura.


ssj3 electricity flashes constantly throughout the fight, ssj2 comes and goes. It's better illustrated in the anime than it is the Manga. SSJ3 produces more electricity than ssj2 does which has it as well.

It's really hard to explain u would have to see ssj2 gohan fight cell and ssj3 goku fight buu

[Nexas]

Vegito is arrogant to the point of stupidity. He'll underestimate SBP and get his head knocked off.

[jplaya2023]

Vegito is arrogant to the point of stupidity. He'll underestimate SBP and get his head knocked off.

Not really he just acted stupid to let buu absorb him so he could rescue his sons and piccolo. If vegetto was serious he would of killed buu in an instant.

[Nexas]

Not really he just acted stupid to let buu absorb him so he could rescue his sons and piccolo. If vegetto was serious he would of killed buu in an instant.
Ok maybe I was exagirating a bit, but Vegito is pretty arrogant, as Vegeta seems to be the more dominent personality.

[Endless Mike]

ASSUME? LOL it is stated that the blast could VAPORIZE the planet in an instant.

And how does this mean its mass was directly proportional to its destructive capability?

Irrelevant garbage, Buu was using ki to destroy the universe and that is RAW power for the DBZ universe! Vegetto wins in a curbstomp.

No, it was some weird dimensional vibration attack. A power Vegeto didn't have. He didn't have to have enough power to destroy the universe to punch Buu and stop him.

[jplaya2023]

Ok maybe I was exagirating a bit, but Vegito is pretty arrogant, as Vegeta seems to be the more dominent personality.

his arrogance was by design to get buu to absorb them early. Buu couldnt lay one single hit on vegetto the entire fight. Vegetto was playing around throughout the whole fight

[Phenomenol]

And how does this mean its mass was directly proportional to its destructive capability?

Cause it is stated that it would vaporize the planet in an instant and it was huge.

No, it was some weird dimensional vibration attack. A power Vegeto didn't have. He didn't have to have enough power to destroy the universe to punch Buu and stop him.

Total rubbish from the first letter to the last. Their was no such "vibrational attack" what the hell are you chatting. Buu was destroying the universe with raw power.

[jplaya2023]

Cause it is stated that it would vaporize the planet in an instant and it was huge.



Total rubbish from the first letter to the last. Their was no such "vibrational attack" what the hell are you chatting. Buu was destroying the universe with raw power.

the lunacy these posters exibit is breath taking. I never seen people who hated dbz so much they would ignore facts, try to rationalize what against what people state in the manga, downgrade everyone's power to fit their agenda's.

[Endless Mike]

Cause it is stated that it would vaporize the planet in an instant and it was huge.

......

Do you even understand what I'm asking here?

An example of something which has a mass proportional to its destructive capability (at the speed it is travelling at) is an asteroid. If an asteroid crashes into a planet, it will do damage based on its own mass and the speed it was moving at, through kinetic energy.

An example of something which has a mass that is not proportional to its destructive capability is a nuclear bomb. When it detonates, only a tiny, almost unnoticeable fraction of its energy comes its kinetic energy, everything else comes from the nuclear reaction taking place inside the bomb.

If the ki blast was like an asteroid, then it would destroy the planet simply through kinetic energy from colliding with it, like smashing it with a hammer. For something moving at the speed it was (not very fast), then it would have to have immense gravity, probably more than the earth itself, to destroy it by colliding, yet it was displaying no gravitational effects.

If it was like a bomb, then it could have any mass, it would only release the energy when it hit its target and detonated. Considering ki blasts in DBZ tend to operate more on the latter principle than the former (this is evidenced whenever someone fires a 'planet - destroying' blast, if it was all kinetic then Newton's third law would send the attacker deep into space or underground, depending on where they were firing it).

Total rubbish from the first letter to the last. Their was no such "vibrational attack" what the hell are you chatting. Buu was destroying the universe with raw power.

Did you even see the episode? He was using a variation of the dimensional power he used to escape the time chamber. It was a chain reaction that affected some dimensional frequency thing. Vegeto didn't have this power, and it was stopped when he simply punched him.

Not to mention filler.

[Phenomenol]

You will learn to deal with it at this forum! The DBZ hate is incredible.^^^

[Endless Mike]

the lunacy these posters exibit is breath taking. I never seen people who hated dbz so much they would ignore facts, try to rationalize what against what people state in the manga, downgrade everyone's power to fit their agenda's.

Considering that everything Phenomen - LOL is arguing in that post you quoted never even happened in the manga, the irony here is sickening.

[Endless Mike]

You will learn to deal with it at this forum! The DBZ hate is incredible.^^^

Just because people don't accept non - canon material and the total raving ignorance of biased fanboys doesn't mean we hate it.

Besides, that's an ad hominem fallacy anyway.

[Phenomenol]

Do you even understand what I'm asking here?

An example of something which has a mass proportional to its destructive capability (at the speed it is travelling at) is an asteroid. If an asteroid crashes into a planet, it will do damage based on its own mass and the speed it was moving at, through kinetic energy.

An example of something which has a mass that is not proportional to its destructive capability is a nuclear bomb. When it detonates, only a tiny, almost unnoticeable fraction of its energy comes its kinetic energy, everything else comes from the nuclear reaction taking place inside the bomb.

If the ki blast was like an asteroid, then it would destroy the planet simply through kinetic energy from colliding with it, like smashing it with a hammer. For something moving at the speed it was (not very fast), then it would have to have immense gravity, probably more than the earth itself, to destroy it by colliding, yet it was displaying no gravitational effects.

If it was like a bomb, then it could have any mass, it would only release the energy when it hit its target and detonated. Considering ki blasts in DBZ tend to operate more on the latter principle than the former (this is evidenced whenever someone fires a 'planet - destroying' blast, if it was all kinetic then Newton's third law would send the attacker deep into space or underground, depending on where they were firing it).

I Don't give a rat's ass what you are asking, that is TOTALLY Irrelevant. I am telling you what was STATED!


Did you even see the episode? He was using a variation of the dimensional power he used to escape the time chamber. It was a chain reaction that affected some dimensional frequency thing. Vegeto didn't have this power, and it was stopped when he simply punched him.Not to mention filler.

Wrong, You are chatting total rubbish again it was a kiai! that expells KI which is power.

[Endless Mike]

I Don't give a rat's ass what you are asking, that is TOTALLY Irrelevant. I am telling you what was STATED!

Yes, what was stated was that it could destroy the planet. I never denied that. What you claimed, however, was that Vegeto kicking it away made him physically strong enough to destroy a planet. I'm simply explaining why this is not true. The blast didn't explode until it reached outer space (which wouldn't have happened if it was kinetic, kinetic impactors don't just detonate for no reason).

Effectively, what you're claiming is that because I can catch and throw a grenade, then I can do more damage with a punch than the explosion of a grenade.

Wrong, You are chatting total rubbish again it was a kiai! that expells KI which is power.

No, the dialogue was quite clear. He was using a scream on a frequency that was disrupting dimensions. If it was brute force, it would have released an omnidirectional sphere of energy that would travel at the speed of light, destroying everything in its path, such as the earth.

I don't even know why're we debating this, because it's filler, anyway.

[Phenomenol]

Yes, what was stated was that it could destroy the planet. I never denied that. What you claimed, however, was that Vegeto kicking it away made him physically strong enough to destroy a planet. I'm simply explaining why this is not true. The blast didn't explode until it reached outer space (which wouldn't have happened if it was kinetic, kinetic impactors don't just detonate for no reason).

Effectively, what you're claiming is that because I can catch and throw a grenade, then I can do more damage with a punch than the explosion of a grenade.

I never said that kicking that blast that would VAPORIZE a planet would allow him to physically punch a planet.


No, the dialogue was quite clear. He was using a scream on a frequency that was disrupting dimensions. If it was brute force, it would have released an omnidirectional sphere of energy that would travel at the speed of light, destroying everything in its path, such as the earth. I don't even know why're we debating this, because it's filler, anyway.

Wrong, you are talking oput of your ass. The Dialogue states majin Buu mad with anger USED his POWER to shatter the Dimension.

[Comic Book Guy]

Did it happen in the manga?

[jplaya2023]

Did it happen in the manga?


does it matter? the anime is canon unless it directly contradicts a manga even and this only occurs in badly translated dubs mainly.

[Comic Book Guy]

does it matter? the anime is canon unless it directly contradicts a manga even and this only occurs in badly translated dubs mainly.

Did it happen in the manga? Yes or no?

[jplaya2023]

Did it happen in the manga? Yes or no?


was gegory in the manga? Did AT create gregory in the anime because they needed another character with bubbles.

Gregory = canon

buu destroying dimensions = canon

[Phenomenol]

Did it happen in the manga?

It happened in the CANON ANIME!

[Comic Book Guy]

was gegory in the manga? Did AT create gregory in the anime because they needed another character with bubbles.

Gregory = canon

buu destroying dimensions = canon

Were he and the event respectively in the manga? No. Non-canon.

Do you see Gregory in the manga helping Goku train? No.

Do you see Buu destroying the dimensions in his outburst against Vegito in the manga? No.

Non-canon.

It happened in the CANON ANIME!

You do realize that, by the trani of logic that heavy involvement and consultation in adaptions, the adaptions are the same canon as the original source?

What would that say for Superman Returns? Batman Begins? Spider-Man? The DC Animated Universe? The Marvel Animated Universe? Ring 2?

[jplaya2023]

Were he and the event respectively in the manga? No. Non-canon.

Do you see Gregory in the manga helping Goku train? No.

Do you see Buu destroying the dimensions in his outburst against Vegito in the manga? No.

Non-canon.




So basically your saying if an author goes back and adds more information to an original piece he wrote it cant possibly be canon because it wasnt included in the original??

How closeminded.

[Phenomenol]

You do realize that, by the trani of logic that heavy involvement and consultation in adaptions, the adaptions are the same canon as the original source?

What would that say for Superman Returns? Batman Begins? Spider-Man? The DC Animated Universe? The Marvel Animated Universe? Ring 2?

The DBZ anime and manga are Canon!

Just because the DBZ anime is canon does not mean your superman movies are canon unless stated otherwise. Toriyama himself said the DBZ movies are not canon, he said no such thing about the anime.

[Comic Book Guy]

So basically your saying if an author goes back and adds more information to an original piece he wrote it cant possibly be canon because it wasnt included in the original??

That, or the creator produces new material and/or declares new material to supersede the original or previous material.

How closeminded.

You're hardly one to talk.

The DBZ anime and manga are Canon!

Just because the DBZ anime is canon does not mean your superman movies are canon unless stated otherwise.

Your train of logic is that if the creator is involved in the adaption of their original piece of work, the adaption is canon. What does it say for the adaptions like Superman Returns? Batman Begins? Spider-Man? DC Animated? Marvel Animated? Ring 2?

Toriyama himself said the DBZ movies are not canon, he said no such thing about the anime.

Because the movie is completely new material. The DBZ anime is an adaption of the original source material with filler material that did not happen in the original source.

[jplaya2023]

That, or the creator produces new material and/or declares new material to supersede the original or previous material.


but the new material AT created only adds to hisprevious work and does not supercede it. Now i could see where you were coming from had he re did the anime and didnt have goku go ssj on namek but had him go ssj on earth instead. That would be contradiction. All AT did was expand on his story which is his god givin right to do since he created the show





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[Phenomenol]

Your train of logic is that if the creator is involved in the adaption of their original piece of work, the adaption is canon. What does it say for the adaptions like Superman Returns? Batman Begins? Spider-Man? DC Animated? Marvel Animated? Ring 2?

It is Canon unless the author states otherwise, Canon means apart of the real storyline.

Because the movie is completely new material. The DBZ anime is an adaption of the original source material with filler material that did not happen in the original source.

Yet the anime is apart of Toriyama's stories and he was Heavily involved which makes it canon. Toriyama also WORKED on the movies and said that the DBZ movies are not canon.

[Cthulhu-versailles]

This thread is still going on??????? What are you guys even talkin about?

[Havoc]

Does the same thing really need to be argued about in two threads?

[Comic Book Guy]

but the new material AT created only adds to hisprevious work and does not supercede it.

In the adaption of the source material.

Now i could see where you were coming from had he re did the anime and didnt have goku go ssj on namek but had him go ssj on earth instead. That would be contradiction. All AT did was expand on his story which is his god givin right to do since he created the show

Because the animation studio allowed him. Whoever holds the adaption rights can do as they please with the adaption.

An adaption is what it is -- an adaption. It's based on something else.

You can't have an adaption and the original source on equal level of canonicity if they differed in the slightest. Since the anime adaption has scenes that weren't present in the manga, it already differs from the source material.

It is Canon unless the author states otherwise, Canon means apart of the real storyline.

Adaptions and source material can't be the same canon should they even differ in the slightest.

Yet the anime is apart of Toriyama's stories and he was Heavily involved which makes it canon. Toriyama also WORKED on the movies and said that the DBZ movies are not canon.

A creator's involvement in the adaption does not make the adaption canon, unless it was stated by the creator themself that the adaption now supersedes the original.

Again, you can't have an adaption and the source material in the same canon should they differ in the slightest.

[Scorpio3.14]

Does the same thing really need to be argued about in two threads?

Pretty much all DBZ vs Anything threads devolve into the same arguments in time. In actuality there are like a dozen threads with the same basic stuff in them.

[Havoc]

Pretty much all DBZ vs Anything threads devolve into the same arguments in time. In actuality there are like a dozen threads with the same basic stuff in them.


Yea, but normally they're not going on at the exact same time with the same people.

[Endless Mike]

I never said that kicking that blast that would VAPORIZE a planet would allow him to physically punch a planet.

You claimed that feat was a strength feat above those of SBP.

Wrong, you are talking oput of your ass. The Dialogue states majin Buu mad with anger USED his POWER to shatter the Dimension.

Right, used his power of dimensional vibration to create a chain reaction.

[Sexy]

super vegito
vejito not sper is stong but super i say
vegito

[Endless Mike]

super vegito
vejito not sper is stong but super i say
vegito

You ever read Infinite Crisis?

[G-Wolf]

I heard that Superboy prime is strong as Pre-crisis Sups,if this is true he easily wins.

[Endless Mike]

I heard that Superboy prime is strong as Pre-crisis Sups,if this is true he easily wins.

Not quite as strong, but almost.

[Gunners]

I don't think he easily wins this match I don't even think he wins this. I don't really know.

I never saw Vegito maxed out, I saw Superboy defeated but that was through depowering him. He has a weakness to magic to a degree anyway. Vegito's attacks in my opinion would damage him in anycase.

I will see what else is brought up and make my decission at some other time.

[SoulTaker540]

I don't think he easily wins this match I don't even think he wins this. I don't really know.

I never saw Vegito maxed out, I saw Superboy defeated but that was through depowering him. He has a weakness to magic to a degree anyway. Vegito's attacks in my opinion would damage him in anycase.

I will see what else is brought up and make my decission at some other time.

What do you mean he showed a weakness to magic,he tanked an attack from Black Adam and then back handed him to Earth-8.

[Phenomenol]

What do you mean he showed a weakness to magic,he tanked an attack from Black Adam and then back handed him to Earth-8.

LOL! Black Adam was doing a fairly good job beating SBP's ass until he stopped.

Vegetto EASILY wins this battle.

[Gunners]

What do you mean he showed a weakness to magic,he tanked an attack from Black Adam and then back handed him to Earth-8.

Um he does have a set weakness to it, its just that he has a natural endurance level.

Vegito's magic would allow him to bipass the barrier, he would then feel the full force of a punch which would damage him.

[Phenomenol]

Right, used his power of dimensional vibration to create a chain reaction.

Buu has the power to destroy the universe and Vegetto was more powerful than him.

Vegetto curbstomps SBP.

[Comic Book Guy]

The 'destroying universe' never happened in the manga.

[Phenomenol]

Deal with it.

Hell your so confident in your weak ass Superboy-Prime. I told everyone that Vegetto does not even last barely a chapter in the manga and has NO showings. So you deal with the anime now.

[Comic Book Guy]

Deal with it.

If it's not in the manga, it's not canon.

Hell your so confident in your weak ass Superboy-Prime.

I'm not even rooting for Superboy-Prime in this topic, if you look at my posts in this topc.

I told everyone that Vegetto does not even last barely a chapter in the manga and has NO showings. So you deal with the anime now.[/quote]

Did the thread creator say the anime is to be used?

[G-Wolf]

Buu has the power to destroy the universe and Vegetto was more powerful than him.

Vegetto curbstomps SBP.

He didn't destroyed the universe,all he did was rip aprat dimensions or so and if Superboy Prime is strong as PC sues there's no way that Vegetto could even hurt him let alone beat.

[G-Wolf]

If it's not in the manga, it's not canon.



I'm not even rooting for Superboy-Prime in this topic, if you look at my posts in this topc.



Did the thread creator say the anime is to be used?

Here the anime is non-canon?
Then Vegetto is only a planet buster.

[Phenomenol]

He didn't destroyed the universe,all he did was rip aprat dimensions or so and if Superboy Prime is strong as PC sues there's no way that Vegetto could even hurt him let alone beat.

This post is wrong from the first letter to the LAST.

I have the Real Japanese Audio and Buu was Destroying the universe, SBP can not cope with that kind of power.

SBP is overrated and was getting his ass whooped in his debut. Vegetto can hurt him.

[jplaya2023]

Here the anime is non-canon?

only to people who have an agenda against dbz.

Then Vegetto is only a planet buster.

Which makes no sense since vegeta with a pl of 18,000 was a planet buster.

[Comic Book Guy]

Here the anime is non-canon?
Then Vegetto is only a planet buster.

The anime is an adaption of the manga. The manga being the original source material is the highest form of DB canon. The anime being an adaption is second to that, more so since it includes fillers which didn't happen in the manga.

only to people who have an agenda against dbz.

No, just those who knows that creator involvement and contribution does not equal canon to the original source material. Otherwise, every adaption of a story that has creator involvement and contributino would subsequently be canon alongside the original source material.

[Keollyn]

ssj3 electricity flashes constantly throughout the fight, ssj2 comes and goes. It's better illustrated in the anime than it is the Manga. SSJ3 produces more electricity than ssj2 does which has it as well.

It's really hard to explain u would have to see ssj2 gohan fight cell and ssj3 goku fight buu

No, it's you who have to see they match. SSJ3 Goku does no different in displaying the electricity than Gohan did against Cell. You know, Youtube is only a type and click away.

[jplaya2023]

No, it's you who have to see they match. SSJ3 Goku does no different in displaying the electricity than Gohan did against Cell. You know, Youtube is only a type and click away.

ssj3's electricty is more prevalent and seen more during a fight.

[~Shin~]

DBZ tards just need to suck it up and get over it. DBZ is not invincible, i mean theres a whole lot of comics that can beat the shit out of DBZ. So just cut the shit out

[jplaya2023]

No, it's you who have to see they match. SSJ3 Goku does no different in displaying the electricity than Gohan did against Cell. You know, Youtube is only a type and click away.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFOmDlLPQbo

ignore the gay ass music

[Phenomenol]

DBZ tards just need to suck it up and get over it. DBZ is not invincible, i mean theres a whole lot of comics that can beat the shit out of DBZ. So just cut the shit out

Wow, thanks for stating the Obvious. I can name tons of characters who can smash the Entire DBU.

Vegetto>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Superboy-Prime in a curbstomp.

Obviously from your post you know nothing about these two characters.

[~Shin~]

^Obviously you haven't read the other posts in this thread or you haven't read comics cause if you did u wouldn't be saying that vegetto can beat SBP

[Phenomenol]

^Obviously you haven't read the other posts in this thread or you haven't read comics cause if you did u wouldn't be saying that vegetto can beat SBP

You are a twit, as said you aren't actually making an argument. You're simple saying "SBP wins because I and the OTHER posrers said so Nyar nyar nyar."

Also as already said noone knows the LIMITS of Vegettos power therefore this thread is just as daft as you.

[~Shin~]

^well all your saying is "We don't know vegettos limits so we can't tell OMG" And if i even start an argument its going to be the same thing the other ppl said so its just a waste of time for me to argue with you endlessly.

[Keollyn]

Not knowing Vegetto limit doesn't change the fact that what was shown ISN'T on a PC Kyptonian level. People need to stop using that excuse because alot of characters in fiction haven't shown their limit but we still debate them.

[~Shin~]

^Very true

[Phenomenol]

Not knowing Vegetto limit doesn't change the fact that what was shown ISN'T on a PC Kyptonian level. People need to stop using that excuse because alot of characters in fiction haven't shown their limit but we still debate them.

The fact is that Vegetto is only shown for barely a chapter and yet you want to use him against someone with more face time just so you can have your way? I am not buying it.

I know why don't I use the Anime Vegetto to EASILY hand SBP his ass above a "PC Kyptonian level.":amazed

[G-Wolf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFOmDlLPQbo

ignore the gay ass music

In the manga the electricity is the same,there is no difference only the long hair.

[G-Wolf]

The fact is that Vegetto is only shown for barely a chapter and yet you want to use him against someone with more face time just so you can have your way? I am not buying it.

I know why don't I use the Anime Vegetto to EASILY hand SBP his ass above a "PC Kyptonian level.":amazed

Vegetto may be a universe buster in the anime but he's still slower than SBP he is still not storng enough to hurt him and Vegetto can't take his punches either.

[jplaya2023]

Vegetto may be a universe buster in the anime but he's still slower than SBP he is still not storng enough to hurt him and Vegetto can't take his punches either.

slower? proof? we never seen vegetto's speed

vegetto has never been punched either so you're speculating a always

[Phenomenol]

Vegetto may be a universe buster in the anime but he's still slower than SBP he is still not storng enough to hurt him and Vegetto can't take his punches either.

Bullocks! A Universe buster's punches could NOT hurt Vegetto SBP is not hurting Vegetto.

SBP won't even see Vegetto from the fact that he can vanish with his speed.

[Keollyn]

The fact is that Vegetto is only shown for barely a chapter and yet you want to use him against someone with more face time just so you can have your way? I am not buying it.

I know why don't I use the Anime Vegetto to EASILY hand SBP his ass above a "PC Kyptonian level.":amazed

Anime... Manga... Vegetto's still weak.

And save your "less airtime" for someone else. I mean, aren't you the one who's always given the characters random increment on aquiring new levels of power?

[G-Wolf]

Anime... Manga... Vegetto's still weak.

And save your "less airtime" for someone else. I mean, aren't you the one who's always given the characters random increment on aquiring new levels of power?

Vegetto is not weak,SBP is just far stronger than him that's all.

[Phenomenol]

Anime... Manga... Vegetto's still weak.

And save your "less airtime" for someone else. I mean, aren't you the one who's always given the characters random increment on aquiring new levels of power?

Nope.... Not at all.

[Keollyn]

Vegetto is not weak,SBP is just far stronger than him that's all.

Thus my point. Isn't a person weak when the person they're fighting is stronger?

[Phenomenol]

Vegetto is not weak,SBP is just far stronger than him that's all.

Total Rubbish! a guy who got shot with an arrow is nowhere Near Vegetto!

[jplaya2023]

Vegetto is not weak,SBP is just far stronger than him that's all.





proof? or is it just more speculation

[Comic Book Guy]

Well, in terms of physical strength, I don't see how Vegito would approach Superboy-Prime's. Earth-Prime Clark was able to move planets with relative ease, since he rearranged them all to shift the center of the universe away from Oa.

[G-Wolf]

proof? or is it just more speculation

SBP is strong as PC Supes who can move planets who can fly so fast that he almost destroyed the universe,flies through novas just to clean his cape etc.

That's all easily above Vegetto.

[Gunners]

Vegito would hurt Superboy prime. Connar though he died was able to somewhat, along with the Supermen.

At the moment I am giving this fight to Vegito. I think Superboy would also feel the full force of Vegito's punches as the magic would bipass his defence though his natural indurance is high tier sameway.

[jplaya2023]

SBP is strong as PC Supes who can move planets who can fly so fast that he almost destroyed the universe,flies through novas just to clean his cape etc.

That's all easily above Vegetto.




not really no one knows the ends of vegeto's powers so why even make a blanket against him

[jplaya2023]

Well, in terms of physical strength, I don't see how Vegito would approach Superboy-Prime's. Earth-Prime Clark was able to move planets with relative ease, since he rearranged them all to shift the center of the universe away from Oa.


there is no proof stating vegetto cannot move planets. Vegetto has never been in that situation to move planets or not. To automatically assume he couldnt do it is short sighted and idiotic

[Phenomenol]

Well, in terms of physical strength, I don't see how Vegito would approach Superboy-Prime's. Earth-Prime Clark was able to move planets with relative ease, since he rearranged them all to shift the center of the universe away from Oa.

Considering DBZ doesn't do planet moving feats (their is no reason too) doesn't mean Vegetto can't damage him. Vegetto was beating a magical being who can destroy the universe and regenerate at will to death. Vegetto has the skill and strength to curbstomp this man.

[Comic Book Guy]

who can fly so fast that he almost destroyed the universe,

To crash into Oa to do it.

I think Superboy would also feel the full force of Vegito's punches as the magic would bipass his defence though his natural indurance is high tier sameway.

Vegito may have been created through magical (fusion) means, but that does not make all his punches present with the effect of magic. We see Black Adam using magic with his punches in Infintie Crisis #6.

there is no proof stating vegetto cannot move planets. Vegetto has never been in that situation to move planets or not. To automatically assume he couldnt do it is short sighted and idiotic

But with the physical strength seen and demonstrated by the Z warriors, none have them shown to even approach the magnitude of being able to handle what SBP did when he rearranged the planets.

[jplaya2023]

But with the physical strength seen and demonstrated by the Z warriors, none have them shown to even approach the magnitude of being able to handle what SBP did when he rearranged the planets.


there has never been an instance where they needed to.

Storylines in thecomics and DBZ storylinesaer vastly different.

[Gunners]

Vegito may have been created through magical (fusion) means, but that does not make all his punches present with the effect of magic. We see Black Adam using magic with his punches in Infintie Crisis #6.


The magic bipasses the defence right? So if the magic can bipass the defence Superboy would feel the full force of the punch without his defence blocking it.

Black adam didn't hurt him because Superboy has natural indurance. But I think Vegito's attacks are greater than Black adams. Well hsi punching force. Don't really know on this.

[Comic Book Guy]

Magic bypasses a Kryptonian's bio-electric aura and thus would contend against the Kryptonian's natural density/durability.

SBP has a high resilience to magic at least. I wouldn't say he's completely immune to its effect due to one showing.

[G-Wolf]

there is no proof stating vegetto cannot move planets. Vegetto has never been in that situation to move planets or not. To automatically assume he couldnt do it is short sighted and idiotic

And there is no proof that he can.Vegetto could probably lift around 200,000-300,000 tons but a whole planet?No way.

[jplaya2023]

And there is no proof that he can.Vegetto could probably lift around 200,000-300,000 tons but a whole planet?No way.


there is no proff either way so why even mention it in a discussion??

[G-Wolf]

Magic bypasses a Kryptonian's bio-electric aura and thus would contend against the Kryptonian's natural density/durability.

SBP has a high resilience to magic at least. I wouldn't say he's completely immune to its effect due to one showing.

What is the biggest durability feat that SBP has?

Edit: Super Buu's punches were felt miles away and hills were shaking and small rocks were falling off them,now Vegetto can punch way way more harder,so can these type of punches hurt SBP?

[Gunners]

^^^ Hmm I would say surving that huge explosion. Though I don't know Connar was still in pieces he died but well he didn't burn up.

He escaped the speedforce how he did it I don't really know. Other than that he hasn't really been hurt well he broke out the phamtom zone. But yeah he mainly applied the ass kicking.

The guy is funny though ''Look what you are making me do, no I am not evil''

[G-Wolf]

^^^ Hmm I would say surving that huge explosion. Though I don't know Connar was still in pieces he died but well he didn't burn up.

He escaped the speedforce how he did it I don't really know. Other than that he hasn't really been hurt well he broke out the phamtom zone. But yeah he mainly applied the ass kicking.

The guy is funny though ''Look what you are making me do, no I am not evil''

So he has no high end druability feats?

Who's funny?

[Phenomenol]

What is the biggest durability feat that SBP has?

Edit: Super Buu's punches were felt miles away and hills were shaking and small rocks were falling off them,now Vegetto can punch way way more harder,so can these type of punches hurt SBP?

Super Buu 3's punches (while punching Vegetto's) were creating shockwaves that was Shaking earth!

Vegetto and super Buu exchanging blows was felt and heard Dimensions away in the Kaioshin's relm.

vegetto wins in a curbstomp.

[Keollyn]

^ This sounds like a load of crud

[Phenomenol]

^ This sounds like a load of crud

Only to a DBZ hater^^^

Episodes:269 "The Ultimate Power. Vegitto the Lethal Warrior!" 271. "Buu's Secret Attack!! Become Hard Candy!!"

The force and velocity of their punches were shown in these.

[G-Wolf]

^ This sounds like a load of crud

Well the only thing that happened in the manga was what I said,what Phenomenol said probably happened in the anime.

[G-Wolf]

Only to a DBZ hater^^^

Episodes:269 "The Ultimate Power. Vegitto the Lethal Warrior!" 271. "Buu's Secret Attack!! Become Hard Candy!!"

The force and velocity of their punches were shown in these.

It was in the anime,right?

[Phenomenol]

Yep, in the anime^^^

[G-Wolf]

Yep, in the anime^^^

Yeah,I thought so.

[SoulTaker540]

Yeah,I thought so.

I haven't really combed over the topic,but are you of the Phenom school of though and also think that filler is canon.

[G-Wolf]

I haven't really combed over the topic,but are you of the Phenom school of though and also think that filler is canon.

Nope,I only go by the manga.I just said that it happened in the anime,it doesn't mean that I'll use it.

[Keollyn]

Don't worry. G-Wolf is a more sensible DBZ fan.

[SoulTaker540]

Don't worry. G-Wolf is a more sensible DBZ fan.

Yea,I repped him and said the exact same thing to him.Still though he fails for a complete lack of a Gohan banner.

[ZE]

Vegeto never used all his powers, he was much stronger than what we saw, there was no one in the dragon ball world who could match Vegeto, and that says all.

[Havoc]

Vegeto never used all his powers, he was much stronger than what we saw, there was no one in the dragon ball world who could match Vegeto, and that says all.


Ok, but from what we've seen of Vegetto, SBP > Vegetto.

[Apocalypes]

Superboy Prime takes this.

Imagen superman without the weakness, without the goodness.
In IC he-
Killed Superboy
Killed half the Green Lantern Core
Killed earth 2 Superman
Killed loads of Titans members by accident
Was trapped under the red son by the flashes, he escaped.
Was assulted by black Adams magical melee attacks, laughed at it before oneshotting black adam

You could summeries him as Superman without the weakness. Greater strength and Anti Monitor armour that is basicly feeding him yellow sun energy constantly.
Doesn't matter Vegeto can blow up the planet with a lift of his fingers. or he can focus the blast on SBP himslef and turn him to dust.

[Endless Mike]

Doesn't matter Vegeto can blow up the planet with a lift of his fingers. or he can focus the blast on SBP himslef and turn him to dust.

Prove it. His durability is greater than that.

[G-Wolf]

Yea,I repped him and said the exact same thing to him.Still though he fails for a complete lack of a Gohan banner.

What's a Gohan banner?

[SoulTaker540]

What's a Gohan banner?

Banner was probably a poor choice of words,the proper term was sig.You fail for a lack of Gohan in your sig.You have Vegeta and Cell blowing 16 away but no Gohan.

[Gunners]

Prove it. His durability is greater than that.

Well you see Vegito is more powerful than Vegeta who could blow up the planet. He is more powerful than Cell who could near take out the solar system I am guessing. Vegito would easily be able to blow up the planet.

[Endless Mike]

Well you see Vegito is more powerful than Vegeta who could blow up the planet. He is more powerful than Cell who could near take out the solar system I am guessing. Vegito would easily be able to blow up the planet.

Power to destroy a planet <<<<<<<<<<<< power to destroy SBP.

[Scorpio3.14]

Doesn't matter Vegeto can blow up the planet with a lift of his fingers. or he can focus the blast on SBP himslef and turn him to dust.

You mean the SBP who took direct blasts from the Anti-Moniter? :laugh

[Gunners]

Power to destroy a planet <<<<<<<<<<<< power to destroy SBP.

But you were disputing their ability to blow up the planets, that is what I called out not whether it would harm Superboy prime so don't change it.

Granted I think the attacks they throw would harm Superboy prime as I think they can blow up more than just a planet.

[Keollyn]

But you were disputing their ability to blow up the planets, that is what I called out not whether it would harm Superboy prime so don't change it.

Granted I think the attacks they throw would harm Superboy prime as I think they can blow up more than just a planet.

Yeah, a more "larger" planet...

[Gunners]

Yeah a solar System. XD. Vegito I think would hurt Superboy. If he couldn't hurt him he would die. But overall i think he would damage him.

Overall I don't really know I never saw Superboy in pain and I never saw Vegito in pain. Both of these guys went up against powerful people.

[Keollyn]

If you believe that they can destroy the sun... I agree.

[Endless Mike]

The only kind of sun that could actually hurt him was a red one because it sucked away his powers.

[Keollyn]

Oh the whole "destroying the sun" was in regards to the DBZ clan being able to destroy a solar system. In truth, that's the only way I think they can.

[G-Wolf]

Banner was probably a poor choice of words,the proper term was sig.You fail for a lack of Gohan in your sig.You have Vegeta and Cell blowing 16 away but no Gohan.

Ahh,well I didn't found clips with Gohan,but I'll search.

[Vicious]

if your looking for gohan gifs or banners than go to photobucket they have hella shit.!

[G-Wolf]

Yeah a solar System. XD. Vegito I think would hurt Superboy. If he couldn't hurt him he would die. But overall i think he would damage him.

Overall I don't really know I never saw Superboy in pain and I never saw Vegito in pain. Both of these guys went up against powerful people.

About the solar system thing:

It's really hard to believe that Cell could have nuked the solar system and Buu in the manga only destroyed planets.If Cell was a solar system buster then Buu should have destroyed more than several hundred planets in a year.You could say that each planet was light years away from each other.But this is just spectaculation,so you believe what you want.

I don't really use the solar system busting feat because if a non-dbz fan comes and questions the statement I got nothing proving that he can.So I don't really use.