Transformers versus Gundam pilots [Archive]

Radical Dreamer

09-08-2006, 02:30 AM

But what can the transformers do? They all use tiny laser-based weapons that Tallgeese's armor could withstand. Unless it runs out of power(which is likely) hits and kicks would get the job done. Hell, it could just stomp on them.

It doesn't even need that, the dober gun/beam saber could take out a swath of them at one time. They are like ants to it except for a few that can combine. Even then, the speed/pioting skills would own those few.

Comic Book Guy

09-08-2006, 02:41 AM

But what can the transformers do? They all use tiny laser-based weapons that Tallgeese's armor could withstand.

Tallgeese is constructed out of Titanium alloy, not Gundanium.

Unless it runs out of power(which is likely) hits and kicks would get the job done. Hell, it could just stomp on them.

Actually, there are Transformers who are bigger than Tallgeese. In fact, Gundam Wing mobile suits and Gundams were among the shortest in the Gundam franchise.

It doesn't even need that, the dober gun/beam saber could take out a swath of them at one time. They are like ants to it except for a few that can combine. Even then, the speed/pioting skills would own those few.

Understandable, but keep in mind the sheer numbers.

In addition, if Unicron's in, it's a whole new ballgame.

Plus, Galvatron's cannon mode or Megatron's gun mode can most likely puncture through Tallgeese's armour.

Radical Dreamer

09-08-2006, 02:53 AM

Well, maybe Megatron could hurt him. Tallgeese was still very durable for not being a Gundam as it fought with them. It all depends on how advanced the lasers of the Transformers are compared to Tallgeese's technology. Zechs' piloting skills are probably enough to dodge Megatron's blast, though. If Tallgeese has it's shield, could they penetrate that?

About the numbers: Tallgeese's dober gun took out entire ships at a time...I would think it would be like putting a firecracker in an ant nest with the Transformers if he fires that thing.

As to it's stature, it's still over 17 meters tall, that's nothing to sneeze at. It was one of the largest MS in it's particular series, right? Most of the Transformers are only about 5-6 feet taller than the average human.

As to Unicron...yeah...good thing this isn't just Tallgeese.

Comic Book Guy

09-08-2006, 03:02 AM

Well, maybe Megatron could hurt him. Tallgeese was still very durable for not being a Gundam.

Understandable. Tallgeese's armour level is 120, compared to the Leo standard 100. Same as Deathscythe and Shenlong.

It all depends on how advanced the lasers of the Transformers are compared to Tallgeese's technology.

Tallgeese has 2 beam sabers and a Dober Gun.

Zechs' piloting skills are probably enough to dodge Megatron's blast, though.

Understandable.

If Tallgeese has it's shield, could they penetrate that?

Possible. But it's been so long since I remember the cartoon series.

Speaking of which, which Transformers universe is used here?

About the numbers: Tallgeese's dober gun took out entire ships at a time...I would think it would be like putting a firecracker in an ant nest with the Transformers if he fires that thing.

Understandable. But not all Transformers has the mobility of a ship, nor are as big of a target as one.

As to it's stature, it's still over 17 meters tall, that's nothing to sneeze at. It was one of the largest MS in it's particular series, right?

I believe so, in its particular series.

Most of the Transformers are only about 5-6 feet taller than the average human.

There are Transformers who can combine and form a bigger 'Transformer'. Fortress Maximus and Scorpinok were the biggest, if I remember.

As to Unicron...yeah...good thing this isn't just Tallgeese.

There's the Buster Rifle, Twin Buster Rifle, Heavyarms Kai, Heavyarms Custom, Leopard, Leopard D, Satellite Cannon, Double Satellite Cannons, Moonlight Butterfly, and the whole score of attacks from G Gundam.

Radical Dreamer

09-08-2006, 03:08 AM

But are the laser weapons of the Transformers up to the power that Tallgeese's are? Raw output sort of thing. I would say that most of them(except for the few you mentioned) are too weak to penetrate Tallgeese's armor.

You know, I'm going to say Tallgeese can take Unicron because he's so big. Like you said, the dober gun works best against large, slow things. Especially if Zechs plays 'The Touch' in the cockpit as he's wrecking the thing. Zechs + Touch = godmod! :laugh

And I do believe that the thread starter stated that this was the original 80's Transformers cartoon. The movie wasn't mentioned...

Comic Book Guy

09-08-2006, 03:17 AM

But are the laser weapons of the Transformers up to the power that Tallgeese's are? Raw output sort of thing. I would say that most of them(except for the few you mentioned) are too weak to penetrate Tallgeese's armor.

It's been too long since I seen the show. Though, from what I can barely remember, I'd have to agree with you.

You know, I'm going to say Tallgeese can take Unicron because he's so big. Like you said, the dober gun works best against large, slow things.

Understandable.

Especially if Zechs plays 'The Touch' in the cockpit as he's wrecking the thing. Zechs + Touch = godmod!

Hotrod and Optimus Prime will hear it -- Hotrod will turn into Rodimus Prime somehow without the Matrix. Then the two of them destroys the Gundamverses.

And I do believe that the thread starter stated that this was the original 80's Transformers cartoon. The movie wasn't mentioned...

Ah.

swiftamazon

09-08-2006, 03:36 AM

It could be any Transformer Universe, except that new *crap* that they were airing on Cartoon Network for a while (no offense to whomever liked it.) It could be the cartoon, movie, comics, whatever.

Radical Dreamer

09-08-2006, 03:39 AM

Ah. In that case, it's out of my range of expertise. I'm only familiar with the old 80's show and the movie thereafter.

Giovanni Rild

09-08-2006, 03:44 AM

It could be any Transformer Universe, except that new *crap* that they were airing on Cartoon Network for a while (no offense to whomever liked it.) It could be the cartoon, movie, comics, whatever.

Name of said new crap?

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09-08-2006, 04:07 AM

Well, maybe Megatron could hurt him. Tallgeese was still very durable for not being a Gundam as it fought with them. It all depends on how advanced the lasers of the Transformers are compared to Tallgeese's technology. Zechs' piloting skills are probably enough to dodge Megatron's blast, though. If Tallgeese has it's shield, could they penetrate that?

Read the other side. How strong is Tallgeese's shield?

As to it's stature, it's still over 17 meters tall, that's nothing to sneeze at. It was one of the largest MS in it's particular series, right? Most of the Transformers are only about 5-6 feet taller than the average human.

17 metres? 17 metres? The smallest Tranformers (casette-bots etc) at still taller than humans. Bumblebee and his size are around three time taller. Optimus Prime and other leader bots are around 10 metres

The gestalts are at least 45 metres, Fortress Maximus and the other city-bots are a few hundred metres and Unicron...

Please, learn the other side before commenting

Radical Dreamer

09-08-2006, 04:11 AM

Read the other side. How strong is Tallgeese's shield? It's stronger than Tallgeese's standard armor thus why it's a shield. Tallgeese's standard could deflect laser weapons in the show so the shield could probably take a heck of a hit. Something the Transformers don't have.

17 metres? 17 metres? The smallest Tranformers (casette-bots etc) at still taller than humans. Bumblebee and his size are around three time taller. Optimus Prime and other leader bots are around 10 metres

The gestalts are at least 45 metres, Fortress Maximus and the other city-bots are a few hundred metres and Unicron...

Please, learn the other side before commenting
Tallgeese took out a space station embedded in an asteroid. Not to mention it also raised an entire base on earth by itself. Big, lumbering things like Maximus and Unicron would be sliced into so many pieces by the beam saber while Zechs flew circles around them.

omg laser pew pew!

09-08-2006, 04:28 AM

It's stronger than Tallgeese's standard armor thus why it's a shield. Tallgeese's standard could deflect laser weapons in the show so the shield could probably take a heck of a hit. Something the Transformers don't have.

Tallgeese took out a space station embedded in an asteroid. Not to mention Tallgeese raided an entire base on earth by itself. Big, lumbering things like Maximus and Unicron would be sliced into so many pieces by the beam saber.

How big is the astroid and what is Tallgeese's physical strength? Metroplex could shrug off a small nuke and Maximus is stronger than him

Dunno how you think a laser could hurt Unicron

Radical Dreamer

09-08-2006, 04:33 AM

Tallgeese's physical strenght? That has no merit here since Tallgeese has weapons. The dober gun alone has about as much punch as the Buster Rifle which could level a city in one shot.

The beam saber can cut through a spaceship hull like a tin can, Unicron can't withstand that. In fact, If I'm remembering correctly the dinobots bit through his armor in the movie.

Watch this to see how Tallgeese plays. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t834M_Ppt8)

omg laser pew pew!

09-08-2006, 04:47 AM

Tallgeese's physical strenght? That has no merit here since Tallgeese has weapons. The dober gun alone has about as much punch as the Buster Rifle which could level a city in one shot.

So? The City bots could do that quite easily, in fact from what I saw I reakon the gestalts (and stronger) could quite eaisly crush Tallgeese if he wanted to

The beam saber can cut through a spaceship hull like a tin can, Unicron can't withstand that if the dinobots bit through his armor in the movie.

First off you used the cartoon :laugh

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Ok I've finished laughing.

You don't know how strong Grimlock's teeth are. In most versions, he is arguably the strongest single Transformer, he's stronger and more experienced than Optimus Prime and can take a heavy beating. His teeth in the databooks are said to be able to crush pretty much any TF if he tried

Also Comic Unicron is nothing like the crappy cartoon series, for one he wasn't created by a crappy monkey. Unicron is the physical embodiment of supreme evil. What that video showed me about the sword isn't anything impressive, it looks roughly as powerful as comic Grimlock's energon sword except bigger

You'll be crazy to think that laser or missle could destroy something at least the size of Earth

Radical Dreamer

09-08-2006, 04:56 AM

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09-08-2006, 05:03 AM

Ah, about using the cartoon. I was born(86) after the comics came out so no, I don't have that much experience with the canon material.

As to how Tallgeese could f one of the larger bots up, he's much, muuuuuch faster than anything I've seen in the Transformer universe. A lot of small to mid-level hits add up over time.

You do realize that Tallgeese probably couldn't even hurt any of the city-bots with his normal attacks? The one that destroyed the astroid could hurt them but as I said, they can shrug off a small nuke

Then again it's not like they're unarmed. ALl of them are basically mobile battle stations, they have hundreds of cannons (from the databooks though generally they don't use that many)

And Unicron is the most venerable one of all! Because he's the size of earth would be his downfall. If Tallgeese got inside of him he could just destroy his inner systems. Of course, since I don't know the canon material I can't make a good argument so I'll concede the point here.

Getting inside Unicron is the problem, he pretty much only has one main opening (his mouth) but he can belch fire that destroyed a mid tier TF who flew into it. He could try his eyes but they can make some nasty big blasts as well

Well actually this isn't just Tallgeese, there are other Gundams right? If Unicron isn't included then the Gundams could probably beat alot of the TFs if they played smart. How many Gundams are they really? I can't see them beating all of them but they could probably give a good fight

Radical Dreamer

09-08-2006, 05:08 AM

I was under the impression that it was the main Gundam pilots and the main machines in the various iterations since there weren't too many Gundams. That would include more shows than I can count. :S

Azure-kun

09-08-2006, 05:17 AM

or Transformers, although I'm talking about the original 1980s series

U shitting Me?!?
U mean before this Whole star Keys shit came along, Before the fucking BEAST WARS MAN!!!! THOSE AUTO-BOTS!!!!!!!!!!
THE DUDES WITH LIKE, 5 DIFFERENT OPTUMIS PRIME TRASNFOMATIONS!

fuck Gundom, U need both seed & Wing to Break that!!!!

fuck it, Jetscreen would rap the zero gundom (yes the winged on) & fry the Poor Guy like a BBQ out in the getto.

omg laser pew pew!

09-08-2006, 05:18 AM

Well from a guess, Tallgeese if he was fighting smart (like not getting withing range of any strong TF) then he could easily beat any mid tier and lower.
The problem here is that there are alot of flyers (Starscream really is mid tier) so he might have trouble with that though from what you describe he could shrug off the smaller hits though. I can't see him survivng multiple Grimlock's energon sword or any blast at Megatron's level though fortunately there aren't many who can pump out blasts at that level (for all the 'normal' TFs, Megatron, Shockwave and Galvatron are probably the strongest three cannon guys)

So if there are around 5 or so Gundams at Geese's level then they could probably beat most of the 'normal' TFs (if they played smart).

The gestalts are a different matter, Superion can fly and is insanely strong (like all gestalts) so I think they could easily crush a Gundam but like most TFs, they aren't that agile.
The Gundams should just fight this carefully and blast from a distance though the problem is damaging the gestalts, they can take resonable level blasts without a scratch (they can shrug off mid tier hits) and can tank the stronger hits without breaking too much stride

For the city-bots (there's 4 of them) then I can't see a Gundam win unless there's a ridiculous amount of them

Azure-kun

09-08-2006, 05:41 AM

Tallgeese

My question is how this guy is gonna get Passed that rocket dude who makes the second Prime transformation *I think his name is trace, red & white, rocket man really cocky additude acts like sasuke with the Emo drive 9.0 fuctions...* yeah, this Guy was pretty fucking sick when he Owned Zorg & two other deceptacons at once with His Ion-ray.

swiftamazon

09-08-2006, 10:10 AM

Name of said new crap?

I tried watching Transformer Energon and Transformers Armada when it played on Cartoon Network, but I couldn't get into it. It could have gotten better as the went on. Maybe it's because I grew up with the 1980's version and have read the comics to some extent that I didn't like it.

I didn't narrow it down to any particular Gundam series because I wasn't sure how they would compare to each other. I'm most familiar with Gundam Wing, but I included the others in case the suits and piloting skills of the other shows were equal or superior to GW.

Goodfellow

09-08-2006, 03:50 PM

Hmm, SEED mode and newtype versus stupid robots (c'mon, megatron isn't really a genious, is he?)

HAARRD.

Not to mention that Gundam franschise got Nukes.

Comic Book Guy

09-08-2006, 04:16 PM

Gundam franchise have more than that.

Moonlight Butterfly.

Art of Run

09-08-2006, 04:39 PM

are unicorn and primus included in this

exmorte

09-08-2006, 07:36 PM

This fight was won when comic book guy beat me to the X/Turn A punch.

Those two aside, if we have Amuro (Hi-Nu) he could take pretty much all the smaller and medium sized transformers, then The ZZ (cant remember pilot of the top of my head) would do some intense damage to unicron. If the main villain and hero of each series teamed up it would be teh pwn..

Comic Book Guy

09-08-2006, 07:51 PM

exmorte

09-08-2006, 08:05 PM

LOOL, yes if it could take out the devil gundam, I would hope it would damage unicron... XD

Master Asia could do this alone though, now that I think about it.. Master Gundam is teh pwn!

Comic Book Guy

09-08-2006, 08:07 PM

Master Asia and his towel is a force to be reckoned with.

And we need that Windmill Gundam in there, just for comedy's sake.

A Gundam Fighter, and you base it off a windmill? That's like the Dan of Gundam!

thegoodjae

04-02-2007, 02:55 AM

i searched this but it didnt come up suprisingly. anyways, who wins?

i guess you can use all the verse for each of them, but if one only has like 6 different series while the other has 8, only use the 6 most powerful series of the one with 8. hopefully, no curbstonmp or rape will happen.

lunamaria-chan

04-02-2007, 05:03 AM

jokes aside, I see Gundam Winning with Dual X, Strike Freedom, Hi-Nu Gundam Double Zeta, V2-Gundam Assualt,G-Gundam and Turn A + Grunts x 1000 (Flash System from Gundam X)
With GSD, CCA , Double Zeta, Turn A, Gundam X and Victory Gundam, there's no way that TF will win, since you have a great combination of firepower and Skill between these series, plus when you have Amuro and Kira on the same side, there's no losing at all since both these guys are very gifted pilot-skill wise. Add to that the massive firepower the support guys can do, Garrod's Double X can fry any circuitry with microwaves, the Turn A's moonlight butterfly can obliterate technologies, the ZZ has enough firepower both psychicly and literally which makes it very very hard for the TS to win... especially when we're still talking about the main characters and there's still the support roles... like Kamille, Char, Shinn, Athrun, Ple2, Haman, and more.

Lord Yu

04-02-2007, 05:08 AM

I think in one series I remember Megatron had the ability to destroy a galaxy. But there's also Unicron. It really depends on if Turn A could cause him to malfunction.

For the most part I see this going to transformers.

Radical Dreamer

04-03-2007, 10:18 PM

There was once a grand thread on this about 6 months ago that I had the divine pleasure of participating in. The final verdict was that the gundam-verse could take out everything but the city bots and Unicron since they are just so massive.

That thread was the balls, it had "You've Got the Touch" linked in it.

Heartgobbler

04-03-2007, 10:53 PM

All Galaxy destroying stuff was one shot probably.

I guess transformers would win cause of the Unicron. I think the biggest thing Gundamverse has is Libra battleship.

lunamaria-chan

04-03-2007, 11:01 PM

I think the biggest thing Gundamverse has is Libra battleship.LOL.... GENESIS, Requiem, the Colony Laser....Gundam Double X, FAZZ Meteor Strike-Freedom, Meteor Infinite Justice, Devil Gundam Colony, Hi-Nu Gundam all have firepower greater than that of Libra's cannon.

IF the newtypes tap into the souls of all Galaxies Unicron has destroyed and emit them, the Gundamverse automatically wins due to the insane Newtype Pressure gained by the Psychoframe. Study UC Gundam people! Remember that a dead Newtype is more powerful than a live one... Unicron better think twice because for him to beat the whole Gundamverse, he has to go through basically a lot of souls, that's just fuel for a Psychic attack by the Newtypes.

And Remember
Amuro: Nu-Gundam is not just for Show!

Just to remind you: If we're talking the whole Gundamverse, that's six different universes. UC, FC,AC, AW, CC, and CE plus the fact that you have dimension travelling SD Gundam which has a Gundam "God" .

The last Dalek

04-04-2007, 06:57 AM

Unicron and Primus are gods in the form of robots and there battles threatned to destroy the universe in the marvel cannon nothing in Gundam can beat that.

Comic Book Guy

04-04-2007, 12:44 PM

Transformers isn't really an anime, per se.

i searched this but it didnt come up suprisingly. anyways, who wins?

i guess you can use all the verse for each of them, but if one only has like 6 different series while the other has 8, only use the 6 most powerful series of the one with 8. hopefully, no curbstonmp or rape will happen.

Transformers.

Marvel's Unicron and Primus were actually cosmics similar to the likes of Galactus.

Humourously, I don't see what the Gundam continuities have that can counter the awesomeness that is Optimus Prime + The Touch playing in the background.

master bruce

04-04-2007, 01:21 PM

transformers like unicron are way too powerful.
the strongest versions of gundam are suits like heero's who can take out cities with the buster rifle.

only way gundams win is if they use their speedblitz.

gundams move very fast and execute incredible fighting attack speed and skill.

Transformers are more powerful.

the deciding factor is whether the gundams get in for close combat(their specialty) and use their cutting weapons(energy blades that slice through the densest metals like hot katana through butter.)

Comic Book Guy

04-04-2007, 03:09 PM

transformers like unicron are way too powerful.
the strongest versions of gundam are suits like heero's who can take out cities with the buster rifle.

No. There's actually quite a few Gundams that are more destructive.

Endless Mike

04-04-2007, 05:24 PM

Unicron. 'Nuff said.

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04-05-2007, 12:10 AM

Armada Unicron
Energon Unicron
Cybertron Unicron
G1 Unicron
Movie Unicron

Yeah, Gundam what?

FireEel

04-05-2007, 07:46 AM

LOL.... GENESIS, Requiem, the Colony Laser....Gundam Double X, FAZZ Meteor Strike-Freedom, Meteor Infinite Justice, Devil Gundam Colony, Hi-Nu Gundam all have firepower greater than that of Libra's cannon.

IF the newtypes tap into the souls of all Galaxies Unicron has destroyed and emit them, the Gundamverse automatically wins due to the insane Newtype Pressure gained by the Psychoframe. Study UC Gundam people! Remember that a dead Newtype is more powerful than a live one... Unicron better think twice because for him to beat the whole Gundamverse, he has to go through basically a lot of souls, that's just fuel for a Psychic attack by the Newtypes.

And Remember
Amuro: Nu-Gundam is not just for Show!

Just to remind you: If we're talking the whole Gundamverse, that's six different universes. UC, FC,AC, AW, CC, and CE plus the fact that you have dimension travelling SD Gundam which has a Gundam "God" .

Only a handful of those you mentioned are true.

Libra could have fired an atmosphere-destroying beam which would had screwed Earth up for thousands of years, I surely don't see Gundam DX or Strike Freedom doing the same.

Heartgobbler

04-05-2007, 07:23 PM

Ok then. Both sides have some giant engines of destruction but really heroic battles aren't decided by those.

So, to keep this thread fun, lets say that Unicron, "Underbase" Starscream and the Gundam superweapons managed to take each other out, leaving the field free for all the people we really want to see in action.

So, who are your heroes?

04-06-2007, 10:19 AM

I'd love Gundamverse to win this, but nothing they have can match the Transformers. :/

omg laser pew pew!

04-07-2007, 12:27 AM

shingen

04-08-2007, 01:49 PM

couldnt they just do a scan over a gundam universe and become transforming gundams

no way gundams can win

The Cheat

04-08-2007, 05:37 PM

The gundamverse has the devil/dark gundam but the transfromersvers has unicorn who is problay bigger.

Jack Bauer

04-08-2007, 10:54 PM

If it was G-Gundam, this battle is already a joke.

Comic Book Guy

04-08-2007, 11:25 PM

If it was Marvel Transformers, Unicron and Primus totally destroy the Gundamverses.

Predator

04-09-2007, 01:22 AM

fuck you transformers with your damn fuckin galaxy killin guns T.T

*Cries as gundamverse is obliterated after they celebrated the defeat of all the other transformer universes*

Everything except galaxy crushing weapons, gundam has, otherwise, gundam is fucked, cuz, gundam always takes place between the moon and earth.... no intergalactic stuff

killfox

07-27-2007, 02:54 AM

Who wins this fight?

Vicious

07-27-2007, 02:57 AM

Unicron?
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NU-KazeKage

07-27-2007, 02:59 AM

well considering the devil gundam can only be beaten by the god gundam...and there on the same side...and devil can take over transformers...and all the other really big and destructive machines...Gundam FTW

Tuxx

07-27-2007, 03:10 AM

God Gundam, Devil Gundam, and Turn A/X Moonlight Butterfly....

Now assuming that Moonlight Butterfly works on Unicron, Gundam more likely wouldtake it. Unless this was the cosmic Unicron...but technology is technology maybe? so Moonlight Butterfly might still affect him if it has a chance to be used.

omg laser pew pew!

07-27-2007, 07:06 AM

God dang

Do you people know how many Unicrons and Primus' there are? Not to mention Liego Maximo (someone who nearly ascended to godhood) and whatnot.

Armada Unicron
G1 Unicron (there's like 10 different Unicrons that fall under the G1 category)
Energon Unicron
Cartoonverse Unicron

And for most of these Unicrons, there is a Primus as well (he transforms into Cybertron)

That's alot of planet transformers. However if these god gundams are anything like Galactus in power (like they could pop a galaxy if they wanted to) then I can't really see Gundam. If anyone disagrees then pipe up, I'm quite interested in learning their powers

WILD CARD

07-27-2007, 09:55 AM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TG4GaPcLgOs

If anyone in the Gundamverse could take on a planet sized devourer, then they might have a chance.

Comic Book Guy

07-27-2007, 11:43 AM

This thread has been done before. So I'll repeat what I said then.

Gundams have the advantage of the ridiculous G Gundams and the Moonlight Butterfly.

Transformers has Marvel Comics' Unicron and Primus (who were essentially cosmic, even by Marvel standards) and Optimus Prime with the Touch playing.