Orochimaru vs ichimaru gin

[Red]

Who would win between these two snake men?

[Endless Mike]

Gin is a 'snake man'?

[Vicious]

they both smile at each other for eternity.!

[Giorno Giovanna]

they both smile at each other for eternity.!


Except one of them would be dead from a sword through chest. Guess who I'm talking about?:P

[Vicious]

Except one of them would be dead from a sword through chest. Guess who I'm talking about?sry but i dont,they both have swords:P
just joking,seriously this would be a good battle i mean i havent seen much impressive stuff from gin except his sword that extends,but shit orochi has a sword harder than diamond.!

[Red]

rukia thinks gin resembles a snake ...I thik both of them are brothers

[Red]

Except one of them would be dead from a sword through chest. Guess who I'm talking about?:P
if orochimaru was slow it could have worked but he isn't...

[omg laser pew pew!]

sry but i dont,they both have swords:P
just joking,seriously this would be a good battle i mean i havent seen much impressive stuff from gin except his sword that extends,but shit orochi has a sword harder than diamond.!

Only way Orochimaru can win is if Gin lets him hit him

[Red]

How fast is gin and dont forget oro has ninjutsu....he cant be struck down easily....i mean he fought naruto when he went all ninetails

[Giorno Giovanna]

if orochimaru was slow it could have worked but he isn't...


I'm talking about this:

http://bleachexile.com/bleach-online/details.php?image_id=1593
http://bleachexile.com/bleach-online/details.php?image_id=1594
http://bleachexile.com/bleach-online/details.php?image_id=1595
http://bleachexile.com/bleach-online/details.php?image_id=2808
http://bleachexile.com/bleach-online/details.php?image_id=2809
http://bleachexile.com/bleach-online/details.php?image_id=2810

This is Gin's shikai, Shinsou. It basically allows him to extend or "shoot" the blade of his sword at the speed of a bullet. By the time Oro does a technique, that sword goes through him and also Gin is fast.

Also, Oro fought Naruto in four-tail mode and four-tail mode Naruto is slow as hell compared to Gin.

[Vicious]

xcept one of them would be dead from a sword through chest. Guess who I'm talking about?another thing tsunade got stap through her lungs and lived,she got her nerves all fucke* up and pwned orochi,but orochi didnt die,because hes immortal and orochi got himself fucke* up by KN4, slit him in two and still lived how is a sword going to hurt orochi.!?

[Giorno Giovanna]

another thing tsunade got stap through her lungs and lived,she got her nerves all fucke* up and pwned orochi,but orochi didnt die,because hes immortal and orochi got himself fucke* up by KN4, slit him in two and still lived how is a sword going to hurt orochi.!?


Tsunade lived because she was able to heal herself and she was also an important character. It is debatable whenever it was the real Orochimaru that got rip in two or another body and look at my images of Gin's shinsou shikai release and you'll see why Orochimaru would die.

[Red]

gin isn't that fast and ichigo managed to block his attack even that big boobed lady matsumo blocked so it isnt that fast...plus oro has fast reaction time

[Vicious]

'm talking about this:

http://bleachexile.com/bleach-online...?image_id=1593
http://bleachexile.com/bleach-online...?image_id=1594
http://bleachexile.com/bleach-online...?image_id=1595
http://bleachexile.com/bleach-online...?image_id=2808
http://bleachexile.com/bleach-online...?image_id=2809
http://bleachexile.com/bleach-online...?image_id=2810lol,my computer is too slow to load the manga,so i will continue debating tommorrow if i used my dads computer at his house.anyway i guess the manga pics show ichigo when he first met gin am i right.!?

[Giorno Giovanna]

gin isn't that fast and ichigo managed to block his attack even that big boobed lady matsumo blocked so it isnt that fast...plus oro has fast reaction time


http://bleachexile.com/bleach-online/details.php?image_id=3718


Gin is fast enough to see Bankai Ichigo and react to him. The only reason why he didn't is because he didn't want to interrupt. Even if Oro can possibly dodge Shinsou, what can Oro do that Gin can't dodge as well and Gin can also change the direction of Shinsou with a quick lightning-fast twitch.

Shunpo and Shinsou gives Gin too many ways to win this match. Hell, he could let Oro get close to him only to release his sword and proven by the images, Shinsou is hard to dodge from up close and Oro is fast, but not that fast.

[Red]

Gin is fast enough to see Bankai Ichigo and react to him. The only reason why he didn't is because he didn't want to interrupt. Even if Oro can possibly dodge Shinsou, what can Oro do that Gin can't dodge as well and Gin can also change the direction of Shinsou with a quick lightning-fast twitch.
keep in mind that ninjas dont attack head on they attack with tricks...gin doesnt know oro's fighting style so he may pierce oro claim victory and walk away...as he is walking away oro's body turns to mud..gin turns aroun surprised but before he can talk oro would have his sword in his throat see gin doesnt know anything about bushins...if you can dogde a kunai being thrown from you when ur not aware then you can dodge gin's soulslayer in a fighting situation..

[Endless Mike]

I say not enough information, we don't know much about Gin's powers or his bankai.

[MdB]

keep in mind that ninjas dont attack head on they attack with tricks...

In naruto they attack head on.....


gin doesnt know oro's fighting style so he may pierce oro claim victory and walk away...as he is walking away oro's body turns to mud..gin turns aroun surprised but before he can talk oro would have his sword in his throat see gin doesnt know anything about bushins...

Yeah you're assuming things.....

Oro cant even stand in front of gin's reiatsu, also he doesn't have the strength to pierce or cut gin.


if you can dogde a kunai being thrown from you when ur not aware then you can dodge gin's soulslayer in a fighting situation..

hitsugaya dodged it from a point blank range, so get you're facts straight.

[Khamzul]

And about Shinsui, Kusunagi can do exactly the same thing.
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/695/v33ch295ukpage14151zg.jpg

Allso Orochimaru is pretty hard to kill: http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/857/v33ch294ukpage109gj.jpg

However, I second Endless Mike. Not enough information about Gin

[Helba]

Gin destroys him in like 10 seconds

[Red]

ur talking about reiatsu can Gin even stand this guys justsu where you see ur own death? and how the hell do we know that gin can even stand genjutsu?hitsugaya dodged it from a point blank range, so get you're facts straight.I was talking about the reaction time that all ninja's seem to have in narutoIn naruto they attack head on have you even seen how they fight in naruto?they dont just run and slash...they plan ur move and their own moves and they have a wide variety of genjutsu and ninjutsu to confuse you....what makes you think gin who has not seen a ninja from narutoverse fight wont fall for their moves?

[kyutofukumaki]

Orochimaru will win easily.http://www.geocities.com/impact_blue32/orochimaru.jpg

[MdB]

ur talking about reiatsu can Gin even stand this guys justsu where you see ur own death? and how the hell do we know that gin can even stand genjutsu?
Orchimaru used his killer intent on 2 unexperienced genins that where afraid of death.
Do you honestly think it wil have the same effect on gin...?

The pressure of gin's reiatsu would make it hard for oro to fight in his presence.


I was talking about the reaction time that all ninja's seem to have in naruto

No one in naruto has dodged a point blank range attack, so you're assuming things.


have you even seen how they fight in naruto?they dont just run and slash...they plan ur move and their own moves and they have a wide variety of genjutsu and ninjutsu to confuse you....what makes you think gin who has not seen a ninja from narutoverse fight wont fall for their moves?

Genjutsu doesn't work on bleach characters bacause they lack chakra and a chakra system.

And the only one's that didn't fight head on in naruto are pupeteers and shikamaru.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

Orochimaru : Now you will die.
Gin: Yare Yare, when are you gonna notice already ?.
Orochimaru finds out that he is stabbed.
Orochimaru: No way !.
Gin: Bye bye !.
Orochimaru = .................

Gin FTW.

[Gaelek_13]

Gin is a Bleach character (and a cool one) so he's already strong. Call in to question his overall strength because we just haven't seen it yet to be perfectly honest.

Shikai of Shinsou is pretty damn lethal though and to be honest, I doubt Orochimaru would be able to:

A) Withstand a Captain-Level Shinigami's Reiatsu pressure
B) Actually be able to harm him due to said, high Reiatsu pressure

Gin is uber fast, as a Captain is very powerful and can likely use a variety of Kidou too. Gin ftw.

[Akakiri]

Orochimaru : Now you will die.
Gin: Yare Yare, when are you gonna notice already ?.
Orochimaru finds out that he is stabbed.
Orochimaru: No way !.
Gin: Bye bye !.
Orochimaru = .................


I hate them both and they are both constantly smiling like rapists.
Anyways

Orochimaru: hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm, when are you gonna notice all...ready oomhmm hmm hmm hmm
(orochimaru music on)
Gin: huh?*
Its just a replacement jutsu
Orochimaru is standing behind him on top of a giant andaconda's head.

Gin: *shivering then turns around* ugh agghk!!!!!!
He lifts his eye and makes gin think he's dead.

Orochimaru steals Gin's body while he's still alive cause hes evil

[Delta Shell]

Honestly though, it seems that Gin should (if I had to chose i'd say him) win given his status but other than him poking things with a big long sword there really isn't enough information to make a fair judgement.

Since Oro is just plain freaky, heck he stood smiling in fornt of the Kyuubi's chakra release and we know that even a jounin's chakra release can send a gennin insane, so I think standing up to the Reiatsu is a possibility.

I hate them both and they are both constantly smiling like rapists.

This is the single best thing i've ever read.

[omg laser pew pew!]

Shunpo people, shunpo

It's way better than hiraishin

[Red]

reiatsu is equivilant to charkra and oro has enough chakrs to withstand a captains reiatsu.....both of them have strong energies so it cannot be assumed that oro would faint just because he was near gins reiatsu....I mean he stood up against kyuubi naruto and kyuubi's naruto's chakra surpassed the reiatsu of any captain...

[Khamzul]

I will ignore Raietsu for this fight, since Orochimaru stood smiling to KN4.

I would have given it to Orochimaru if I had not seen the last fight with KN4 - but as i pointed out in my last post: Orochimaru is durable to "cutting" he is trickey and we don't know enought about Gin.

Shounpo gives bleach the win in most fights, but Orochimaru has been cut in two seemingly without any damage.

[Giorno Giovanna]

reiatsu is equivilant to charkra and oro has enough chakrs to withstand a captains reiatsu.....both of them have strong energies so it cannot be assumed that oro would faint just because he was near gins reiatsu....I mean he stood up against kyuubi naruto and kyuubi's naruto's chakra surpassed the reiatsu of any captain...


Yamamoto, Shunsui, Ukitake, Gin, Tousen, Byakuya, Hitsugaya would like to have a word with you. In fact, 3/4 of the bleachverse would disagree with that comment.

People overrate the Oro vs KN4 fight way too much. In KN4 mode, Naruto is slow and shinigamis are anything but slow. Oro is fast but like I said, Gin is faster since he was able to see Bankai Ichigo, who's speed is easily one of the highest in Bleach and much much higher than any Naruto character shown so far, and would have likely killed him if it wasn't for the fact that he decided to let him slip.

But since we know nothing of Gin other than he is stronger than nearly all of the captains, is fast as hell, and his shikai is fast and has a very long range and is very flexible, I guess we call this match undecided.

It's amazing how Bleach characters get underestimated in the battledome. Simply amazing.:notrust

[Pipboy]

I love threads like this. Its like a convention for people with little practical knowledge of anything the fuck they are talking about.

Lets review people, Aizen the bleach form of itachi can make you see, hear, smell, touch, feel or SENSE anything he wants you to from one look at his sword. Ichigo can swat a thousand razor blades from the sky in a fraction of a second. Grimmjaw is as fast as Ichigo, Tousen is faster than Grimm, Gin is at least as fast as Tousen....

Brainstems. They help you breath... and not post stupid posts in threads like this.

[Red]

1.A ninetailed demon's chakra is way stronger than some guy in a black robe running around claiming he has spritual energy
2.we are not saying that Kn4's speed is something..what we are doing is comparing their energies
3.Akakiri has the right idea about the fight
4.oro is just plain hard to kill..I bet if you stab gin in the right place then he would die...try it with oro.
5.oro is a fucking sanin the fought with a fucking hokage and killed the fucking kazekage like he was a child........he is not a weak pansy...
6.gin smiles like a gay rapist..oro smiles like a child molester

[omg laser pew pew!]

1.A ninetailed demon's chakra is way stronger than some guy in a black robe running around claiming he has spritual energy

They're in different universes.

Did you forget that a Deathgod sealed Kyuubi and Gin is a deathgod?

2.we are not saying that Kn4's speed is something..what we are doing is comparing their energies

Orochimaru or KN4 could never hit Gin even if their lives depended on it

3.Akakiri has the right idea about the fight

You don't know anything about Gin do you?

4.oro is just plain hard to kill..I bet if you stab gin in the right place then he would die...try it with oro.

Umm no, reitsu can act like a shield. Orocimaru isn't immortal, you could just keep killing him until he runs out of chakra

5.oro is a fucking sanin the fought with a fucking hokage and killed the fucking kazekage like he was a child........he is not a weak pansy...

Learn the Bleach world. The Naruto universe is one of the weakest universes

6.gin smiles like a gay rapist..oro smiles like a child molester

At least Gin has a hot chick after him (Matsumoto). Orochimaru doesn't

[Vicious]

hey're in different universes.

Did you forget that a Deathgod sealed Kyuubi and Gin is a deathgod?
yah but deathgod jutsu monster is scaryier then gin.
At least Gin has a hot chick after him (Matsumoto). Orochimaru doesn'tso wat orochi had a woman for a body lol.!Orochimaru or KN4 could never hit Gin even if their lives depended on iti dought that.!

[jplaya2023]

Oro easily wins

[escamoh]

holy shit and you guys say OP fanboys are bad.

imho reiatsu =/= chakra. it's way different...doing things like reiatsu preassure, doing the thing where if the guys reiatsu is higher he can't be cut etc. etc.

Gin is faster though Oro is a weirdo he probably won't die that easily. In the end Gin wins...

[jplaya2023]

holy shit and you guys say OP fanboys are bad.

imho reiatsu =/= chakra. it's way different...doing things like reiatsu preassure, doing the thing where if the guys reiatsu is higher he can't be cut etc. etc.

Gin is faster though Oro is a weirdo he probably won't die that easily. In the end Gin wins...


Oro places a seal on him and he dies from that

[escamoh]

o rly?

and since when did Oro suddenly become fast enough to keep up with Gin?

[Red]

imho reiatsu =/= chakra. it's way different...doing things like reiatsu preassure, doing the thing where if the guys reiatsu is higher he can't be cut etc. etc.

The maker of naruto said that charkra is a combination of body energy that is made from living cells and spiritual energy made from experiance.....reiatsu is spiritual energy so there:nod plus that thing that oro does inst just killer intent...it's actually a move that effected kakashi.....oi and just because gin knows flash step doesnt meen oro doesnt know it...in fact they use quite alot...one minute they are there the next they're behind you...kakashi does it...and if kakashi can do it oro can do it better...so that whole gin flashstep behind oro and stab thing is useless....oro is just as fast as gin....


At least Gin has a hot chick after him (Matsumoto). Orochimaru doesn't

oro has kabuto and kabuto pwns all damit :yell

[jplaya2023]

o rly?

and since when did Oro suddenly become fast enough to keep up with Gin?


oro can attack him from underground without being noticed. He could create 1000 kage bunshins and when gin attacks them oro can sneak attack and hit him liek that

[escamoh]

The maker of naruto said that charkra is a combination of body energy that is made from living cells and spiritual energy made from experiance.....reiatsu is spiritual energy so there plus that thing that oro does inst just killer intent...it's actually a move that effected kakashi.....oi and just because gin knows flash step doesnt meen oro doesnt know it...in fact they use quite alot...one minute they are there the next they're behind you...kakashi does it...and if kakashi can do it oro can do it better...so that whole gin flashstep behind oro and stab thing is useless....oro is just as fast as gin....
chakra preassure? when has that ever happened in Naruto? not being able to cut someone cause their chakra pwns yours? that never happened either.

I don't really wanna sit here and explain it to you but shunpo > all speed technique's in Naruto (except hiraishin but thats teleportation, doesnt count). the speed feats in Bleach are enough to prove this.

oro can attack him from underground without being noticed. He could create 1000 kage bunshins and when gin attacks them oro can sneak attack and hit him liek that
Oro can create 1000 kage buushin?

[jplaya2023]

chakra preassure? when has that ever happened in Naruto? not being able to cut someone cause their chakra pwns yours? that never happened either.

I don't really wanna sit here and explain it to you but shunpo > all speed technique's in Naruto (except hiraishin but thats teleportation, doesnt count). the speed feats in Bleach are enough to prove this.


Oro can create 1000 kage buushin?

Oro has studied just about every jutso and im sure read the scroll for that jutso so yes its plausible.

[escamoh]

no...

obvously Oro knows kage buushin. but where has he shown that he's capable of creating and maintaining 1000 kage buushin?

[jplaya2023]

no...

obvously Oro knows kage buushin. but where has he shown that he's capable of creating and maintaining 1000 kage buushin?

Oro besides naruto has the 2nd most chakra in the entire universe.

[Supa Swag]

I'm being as serious as possible.

Only retards would think Oro has any shot at winning.

[escamoh]

Oro besides naruto has the 2nd most chakra in the entire universe.
1) where was this stated?

2) how big is the gap between naruto's chakra and Oro's chakra?

[jplaya2023]

1) where was this stated?

2) how big is the gap between naruto's chakra and Oro's chakra?


re read the oro kn4 naruto fight and see some of the jutso's oro was creating

[escamoh]

I ask you again, where was it stated that Oro has the SECOND highest chakra in Naruto? I'm not gonna base it off by watching Oro pull of some random jutsu.

answer my second question.

[omg laser pew pew!]

yah but deathgod jutsu monster is scaryier then gin.

Doesn't change the fact that Gin is a deathgod

so wat orochi had a woman for a body lol.

You lack funny

!i dought that.!

Read Bleach then come back mkay?

[MdB]

Oro besides naruto has the 2nd most chakra in the entire universe.

Proof it with some scans then....

[Red]

Oi you cant compare the death god from naruto and the death god in bleach....I mean look at grim from the grim adventures of billy and mandy he's a death god yet he sucks death gods in different universes are different judge others own their strenght...
@esca3 I dont understand what the diference between the flash steps performed in naruto and the flash steps performed in bleach are...in the first movie when they caught those horse riding guys chasing after the princess kakashi relesed them wit the flash step thingy...he actually used his kunai to cut loose their ropes before apearing next to sasuke it show that what kakashi did wasnt teleportation but flash step....I hope you understand....so if kakashi can do it oro can do it as well.....may be even better..

chakra preassure? when has that ever happened in Naruto? not being able to cut someone cause their chakra pwns yours? that never happened either

but it is shown that chakra has pressure...everytime that naruto charges then the ground craters....and when KN4 naruto charged that attack out of chakra it had pressure enough that oro said if that crap hits him he may die.......and that attack was made from pure chakra or when naruto was fighting sasuke and sasuke did his fire ball attack naruto sent it back with just a chakra force the same thing happened when he fought haku he deflected those attacks I mean comeon can dis not be pressure?http://i2.tinypic.com/2h80h28.jpgthats just when a small amount of ninetailed chakra leaked out...oro faced this thing when it had four tails and the chakra didnt make him go "uh" if he can stand dis of course he can stand a captains reitsu.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

The maker of naruto said that charkra is a combination of body energy that is made from living cells and spiritual energy made from experiance.....reiatsu is spiritual energy so there:nod plus that thing that oro does inst just killer intent...it's actually a move that effected kakashi.....oi and just because gin knows flash step doesnt meen oro doesnt know it...in fact they use quite alot...one minute they are there the next they're behind you...kakashi does it...and if kakashi can do it oro can do it better...so that whole gin flashstep behind oro and stab thing is useless....oro is just as fast as gin....


oro has kabuto and kabuto pwns all damit :yell
Sigh.............

Can naruto-tards get any dumber than this ?....:oh

[badaudio]

Gin wins mega easy. just shunpo and a stab to the face can kill oro

[Pipboy]

I have to say in addition to your all encompassing ignorance about pretty much every other manga/comic book in the world, your inabilty to comprehend naruto is staggering.

Kisame has more chakra that Orochimaru, if you were paying attention.

[escamoh]

@esca3 I dont understand what the diference between the flash steps performed in naruto and the flash steps performed in bleach are...in the first movie when they caught those horse riding guys chasing after the princess kakashi relesed them wit the flash step thingy...he actually used his kunai to cut loose their ropes before apearing next to sasuke it show that what kakashi did wasnt teleportation but flash step....I hope you understand....so if kakashi can do it oro can do it as well.....may be even better..
You don't understand because your not even reading my posts....

Now, the movies aren't canon. Which means everything you just said amounts to nothing. Second, tell me if Kakashi or Orochimaru can do the things that Byakuya or Ichigo do. Gin is most likely a lot more powerful then Ichigo at the moment who did some insane shit during his fight with Byakuya. By your logic I could say Kakashi moves at lightspeed because he moves faster than the eye can see. Gin > anyone in Naruto in terms of speed.

but it is shown that chakra has pressure...everytime that naruto charges then the ground craters....and when KN4 naruto charged that attack out of chakra it had pressure enough that oro said if that crap hits him he may die.......and that attack was made from pure chakra or when naruto was fighting sasuke and sasuke did his fire ball attack naruto sent it back with just a chakra force the same thing happened when he fought haku he deflected those attacks I mean comeon can dis not be pressure?
thats just when a small amount of ninetailed chakra leaked out...oro faced this thing when it had four tails and the chakra didnt make him go "uh" if he can stand dis of course he can stand a captains reitsu.

Do you read Bleach? Everything you just said has nothing to do with what I was saying....that shit you posted does none of the same stuff that reiatsu does.

And you ignored my second point so I guess it just shows you don't know much about Bleach...

[Red]

is it speed?ninjas can do shunpo and oro has good reaction time...what can gin possibly do?is it just to shoot his sword?oro can do it to.it it endurance?oro cant die easily.is it bankai?oro can summon as many giant snakes as he can if the bankai is big..if the bankai is small oro has enough forbidden jutsu to aid him.if it's reitsu oro can stand it..so what can gin actually do?gin isnt durable...he isn't imortal...so what can gin do....you explain...
@pip and @pharoah i dont cozy up to the idea of being insulted...so watch what you say and who you say to....

[omg laser pew pew!]

Oi you cant compare the death god from naruto and the death god in bleach....I mean look at grim from the grim adventures of billy and mandy he's a death god yet he sucks death gods in different universes are different judge others own their strenght...

Do you even know anything about Bleach? Read the series before proving yourself a dunce

@esca3 I dont understand what the diference between the flash steps performed in naruto and the flash steps performed in bleach are...in the first movie when they caught those horse riding guys chasing after the princess kakashi relesed them wit the flash step thingy...he actually used his kunai to cut loose their ropes before apearing next to sasuke it show that what kakashi did wasnt teleportation but flash step....I hope you understand....so if kakashi can do it oro can do it as well.....may be even better..

Do you even know anything about shunpo in Bleach? Movements can be seen in Naruto, shunpo can't be seen in Bleach

but it is shown that chakra has pressure...everytime that naruto charges then the ground craters....and when KN4 naruto charged that attack out of chakra it had pressure enough that oro said if that crap hits him he may die.......and that attack was made from pure chakra or when naruto was fighting sasuke and sasuke did his fire ball attack naruto sent it back with just a chakra force the same thing happened when he fought haku he deflected those attacks I mean comeon can dis not be pressure?http://i2.tinypic.com/2h80h28.jpgthats just when a small amount of ninetailed chakra leaked out...oro faced this thing when it had four tails and the chakra didnt make him go "uh" if he can stand dis of course he can stand a captains reitsu.

That's nothing, Gin kills KN4 Naruto with his penis

With the way you argue, I bet you think Orochimaru could take on Goku

is it speed?ninjas can do shunpo and oro has good reaction time...what can gin possibly do?is it just to shoot his sword?oro can do it to.it it endurance?oro cant die easily.is it bankai?oro can summon as many giant snakes as he can if the bankai is big..if the bankai is small oro has enough forbidden jutsu to aid him.if it's reitsu oro can stand it..so what can gin actually do?gin isnt durable...he isn't imortal...so what can gin do....you explain...

Are you retarded? Are you stupid? Yes I know I'm being mean but I have taken it upon my self to enlighten people of the Battledome that are simply clueless

Ninjas can't do shunpo, you don't even know what the hell shunpo is. Ninjas do shunshin which is only over short distances and uses chakra and can't be maintained for long . Shunpo requires nearly nothing and can be done over incredibly large distances and is nearly instant

You don't even know how fast Orochimaru is compared to Gin, no Naruto character can keep up with a strong Bleach character except for the Yondaime but that's only because of hiraishin

You don't any damn thing about Gin, REITSU CAN BE USED AS A SHIELD TO SOME EXTENT. Must I spoon feed that to you? Gin is a captain, captains are leagues above any other type of deathgod, so far they're the elites of Soul Society (from what we've seen).

Please READ BLEACH before being a nutjob

[Shiron]

is it speed?ninjas can do shunpo and oro has good reaction time...what can gin possibly do?is it just to shoot his sword?oro can do it to.it it endurance?oro cant die easily.is it bankai?oro can summon as many giant snakes as he can if the bankai is big..if the bankai is small oro has enough forbidden jutsu to aid him.if it's reitsu oro can stand it..so what can gin actually do?gin isnt durable...he isn't imortal...so what can gin do....you explain...
@pip and @pharoah i dont cozy up to the idea of being insulted...so watch what you say and who you say to....
Ninjas can use shupo? lol. XD

I'm sorry to say this, but with that, you loose all credibility.

[Mat®icha]

oro wins, imo. and with no difficulties.

[Bro Tai Jr.]

orochimaru is awsome, that is all, no ifs ands or buts.

[Sasuke1_2]

Gin ftw. Hey that rhymes!:imslow

[Pipboy]

Icha_Icha, expect your staggering ignorance to be met with staggering insults.

Bro Tai, nice new signature. Your opinion about orochimaru isn't support thbat he wins though.

Matricha, thanks for continuing to spew shit like a geyser.

Bleach is such a staggeringly more powerful universe and Gin is obscenely high up in it. All you can hope is that Orochimaru dies with dignity.

[Havoc]

What if Oro uses genjutsu? Ichimaru wont attack immediately.

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What if Oro uses genjutsu? Ichimaru wont attack immediately.

He hasn't used any genjutsu so we can't extropolate too much on something we haven't seen

[Havoc]

He hasn't used any genjutsu so we can't extropolate too much on something we haven't seen


Using genjutsu is basic ninja technique. I doubt he would have expected to be Hokage if he didn't even know genjutsu. If he could mold chakra to do ninjutsu, he could use genjutsu.

[Endless Mike]

Wasn't that 'killing intent' thing he did in the forest of death a form of Genjutsu?

[Giorno Giovanna]

Wasn't that 'killing intent' thing he did in the forest of death a form of Genjutsu?


I believe it was but who cares, Gin's spirit pressure>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Oro's killer intent

[Havoc]

I believe it was but who cares, Gin's spirit pressure>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Oro's killer intent


You missed the point.

[escamoh]

What genjutsu would he use?

I personally don't think that killer intent was a genjutsu...

[Havoc]

What genjutsu would he use?

I personally don't think that killer intent was a genjutsu...


All he has to do is make Ichimaru think he's not there.

[escamoh]

What genjutsu is that? :blink

[Havoc]

What genjutsu is that? :blink


Genjutsus cause illusions.

[escamoh]

No I mean what is that genjutsu called?

[Havoc]

No I mean what is that genjutsu called?


Fuck if I know.

[Red]

Anybody would would know when a ninja dissapears and reapears some where else that ninja is using a high speed technique I have stated one instance when it was used.....yes I do watch the anime (bleach).that killer intent is a genjutsu and genjutsu can be used on people regardless of who they are the only way to avert this is with the dispell technique I doubt gin knows it......so i ask again what can gin do?and it is shown that chakra can be used as a shields....

EDit:I dont like being insulted for a stupid reason like Anime so I say it again....WATCH WHAT YOU SAY AND WHO YOU SAY IT TO....just incase you didnt read it the first time.....

[jplaya2023]

No I mean what is that genjutsu called?
god of moon

[Shiron]

god of moon lol, and since when does Orochimaru know Tsukuyomi, a technique exclusive to Mangekyou Sharingan users?

[jplaya2023]

lol, and since when does Orochimaru know Tsukuyomi, a technique exclusive to Mangekyou Sharingan users?


Oro knows every jutso in the naruto universe thats been his goal.

[Vicious]

Fuck if I know.
thats was so funny when i read that lol.! orochi said he knows all jutsu's so i pretty sure he atleast knows one i dought he knows all but who knows, we dont even know if he can die.!but if u ask me genjutsus>>>>killer intent maybe thats why orochi is scared of itachi.!?

[Shiron]

Oro knows every jutso in the naruto universe thats been his goal. Yes, that's his goal. Something that he has not yet reached. How can he use Tsukuyomi if he doesn't have the Mangekyou Sharingan, which is necessary to be able to use it?

[Endless Mike]

Oro knows every jutso in the naruto universe thats been his goal.

My god, do you even know anything about the show you're supporting?

The reason Orochimaru can't beat Itachi is because Itachi has the MS and Orochimaru doesn't. That's the whole reason Orochimaru wants to take Sasuke's body in the first place.

[Cthulhu-versailles]

...
Aizen defeats Narutoverse.
Gin does the same.:)
Stop underestimating Gin.
Gin is clearly only below Aizen and maybe 2 other people in strength.
Serious;y, he is GIN.:)

[Havoc]

Oro knows every jutso in the naruto universe thats been his goal.


Ignorance is bliss.:P

[Comic Book Guy]

Oro knows every jutso in the naruto universe thats been his goal.

Incorrect.

Respectable poster in anime, eh?

That went out of the window.

[Shiron]

Incorrect.

Respectable poster in anime, eh?

That went out of the window. Exactly. The current plot-line would make no sense if that were the case, what with Orochimaru wanting to trasnfer into Sasuke's body because of the Sharingan and all.

Additionally, if he really knew every jutsu already, then him not knowing about the Death God/Shiki Fuujin makes no sense.

[Cthulhu-versailles]

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Killer Intent was not genjutsu. Don't start confusing things because of how Sasuke wtf pwned Sai. it's already been stated Oro wtf pwning people with the stare was simply killing intent and not some fancy-smancy genjutsu.

anyway
Gin wins without even drawing his sword

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Anybody would would know when a ninja dissapears and reapears some where else that ninja is using a high speed technique I have stated one instance when it was used.....yes I do watch the anime (bleach).

Please. Read the manga nubcakes

that killer intent is a genjutsu and genjutsu can be used on people regardless of who they are the only way to avert this is with the dispell technique I doubt gin knows it......

Killing intent is not genjutsu . It is merely presenting your killing intent to someone, read what Sasuke says when Orochimaru uses his killing intent there?
Sasuke says
"Genjutsu?"
"NO, this is just fear. The killing intent is just causing me to see an image of death"

So much for that


so i ask again what can gin do?and it is shown that chakra can be used as a shields....[/quote]

Gin can effortlessly avoid all of Michael Jackson's attacks while continously slicing him up. You don't know how much faster Gin is so hush

EDit:I dont like being insulted for a stupid reason like Anime so I say it again....WATCH WHAT YOU SAY AND WHO YOU SAY IT TO....just incase you didnt read it the first time.....

What cha gonna do? Neg rep me?

[Cthulhu-versailles]

...
Gin defeats Narutoverse, but don't underestimate Orochimaru's Killer Intent. Seriously. Orochimaru is just badass like that.

[Havoc]

Please. Read the manga nubcakes



Killing intent is not genjutsu . It is merely presenting your killing intent to someone, read what Sasuke says when Orochimaru uses his killing intent there?
Sasuke says
"Genjutsu?"
"NO, this is just fear. The killing intent is just causing me to see an image of death"

So much for that


Gin can effortlessly avoid all of Michael Jackson's attacks while continously slicing him up. You don't know how much faster Gin is so hush



What cha gonna do? Neg rep me?

I just neg repped you for flame baiting, and I alerted the mods to this as well.

[Pipboy]

Looks like more Tumor than humor in this post.

[Havoc]

Looks like more Tumor than humor in this post.


Nah it was humor, I wasn't serious.

[Red]

that freezing thing is a jutsu it has been discussed in this forums...hold up lemme get a link....I ask once again what has/can gin do?....
Edit:lemme ask a mod what I can do:oh

[Cthulhu-versailles]

^ROAR!That was Killer Intent! That is the sheerbadassness of Orochimaru.

[Khamzul]

Killer intent = raietsu pressure?

[Red]

Killer intent = raietsu pressure?
no they are two different things I'm just saying oro can use it against gin cause it's a genjutsu:oh

[Havoc]

Killer intent = raietsu pressure?


I thought that said racist pressure, lol.

[Khamzul]

ehehehe Havoc :)

Im just wondering if Raietsu pressure = killing intent in the way they work.

[escamoh]

no it'd be more like what Kenpachi did :oh

@Icha Icha, wait...do you read Bleach?

[Red]

no it'd be more like what Kenpachi did :oh

@Icha Icha, wait...do you read Bleach?
no i watch the anime... the reason i dont read the manga is because the writing is too small and I have astigmatism why do you ask?

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no they are two different things I'm just saying oro can use it against gin cause it's a genjutsu:oh

Killing intent only works on weaker people. Notice Orochimaru never uses it on Jiraiya or Tsunade. Orochimaru could never scare Gin

[Red]

well what would gin do if he fought oro?

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Gin could easiyl evade any attacks Orochimaru do
Snakes might be a problem but that's only if Orochimaru summons alot of them but even then Gin could easily shunpo around them

Now unless Orochimaru does alot of Edo Tensei-ing and summons like all the kages and other strong nins then he'll be nothing but a pin cushion for Gin

[ExAzrael]

I'm sorry, But there's no way Oro could win this.

Gin is way too fast and powerful in mind, body and spirit.

Gin would either not waste his time on Oro, or beat him easily. (length of battle TBD)

[Red]

Gin could easiyl evade any attacks Orochimaru do
Snakes might be a problem but that's only if Orochimaru summons alot of them but even then Gin could easily shunpo around them

Now unless Orochimaru does alot of Edo Tensei-ing and summons like all the kages and other strong nins then he'll be nothing but a pin cushion for Gin
lets talk about genjutsus how would gin react......

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What genjutsu can he use?

[Red]

lets say the one tayuya used on shika.....he wont be able to use his shunpo and he wont know wether it's real or not.......oro can just cut his head off.....

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lets say the one tayuya used on shika.....he wont be able to use his shunpo and he wont know wether it's real or not.......oro can just cut his head off.....

That's dumb. I could say that Gin gets Aizen's powers and puts Orochimaru into a permenent illusion forever

Also you don't know if he can't use shunpo or not

[Khamzul]

Killing intent only works on weaker people. Notice Orochimaru never uses it on Jiraiya or Tsunade. Orochimaru could never scare Gin Just like Gin does not scare Hitsogaya with his raietsu.

So in effect they work the same way, right?

[Dr.Douchebag]

id like to believe in a fight that gin outclasses oro in 1)speed,
2) iron skin due to high rieatsu
3) im assuming that gin would be immune to oro's genjutsu as his eyes are always closed

but if this oro vs gin as a villain and char then gin is not even in the same universe as oro imo, he is too pwnsome

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Just like Gin does not scare Hitsogaya with his raietsu.

So in effect they work the same way, right?

Yep except that killing intent exists in Bleach as well (when Ichigo, Ganju and Hanatarou first meet Kenpachi)

[Havoc]

id like to believe in a fight that gin outclasses oro in 1)speed,
2) iron skin due to high rieatsu
3) im assuming that gin would be immune to oro's genjutsu as his eyes are always closed

but if this oro vs gin as a villain and char then gin is not even in the same universe as oro imo, he is too pwnsome


Haha I doubt his eyes are really closed. If they are he's the greatest fighter in Bleach.

[chauronity]

Hey, c'mon.

Gin appears as a god in Narutoverse, he's that powerful. A god of death but still a god.

Secondly, his speed (shyunpo) surpasses the speed of any nin by landslide, allowing him to flashstep like Yondaime, but instantly, without any need to perform handseals or stuff.

Thirdly, as a captain it's safe to assume that he knows kidou, that is a magic spell that shoots lightnings, cages, and stuff in a level, that even the strongest jutsus cant surpass. A bolt of lightning, tons of some other fairy stuff that kills when touches the opponent (relative).

Fourthly, he has a sword what has its own abilities, such as elongating into spear and even the bankai, that will increase his powers (reiatsu) atleast tenfold. Not to speak of some kind of insta-kill kind of ability, or another mystic stuff -- we've already seen complete hypnosis, so that's how powerful a bankai can be.



I could go on, but i think you got my point already. No matter what Oro tried, he couldnt win, cos Gin would totally onslaught him with his techniques, giving Oro no chance.
Not in a million years he's gonna win unless he has a trumpcard like bijuu with him.

Gin ftw. Bleach >>> Narurtoverse.

[Dr.Douchebag]

Haha I doubt his eyes are really closed. If they are he's the greatest fighter in Bleach.

well if tousen can do it then he can too :laugh

and don kanoji is the best fighter in bleach dont u guys ever forget that :mad

[Red]

That's dumb. I could say that Gin gets Aizen's powers and puts Orochimaru into a permenent illusion forever

Also you don't know if he can't use shunpo or not
Aizens power are due to his soulslayer I dont think anybody can copy that one.....

[Sasuke1_2]

Aizens power are due to his soulslayer I dont think anybody can copy that one.....

With the powers of illusion, yes, thats from Aizen's zanpakuto. But all of Aizen's power isn't just from he zanpakuto. If it was, then I'm certain his finger would have gotten chopped off when he blocked Tensa Zengetsu.

[Shiron]

Aizens power are due to his soulslayer I dont think anybody can copy that one.....
It's called an analogy. You saying that Orochimaru can use Tayuya's genjutsus is like saying that Gin can use Aizen's Hypnosis techniques; there's no evidence for either. Thus, until there is evidence that they can use them, Orochimaru can't use Tayuya's genjutsus (there's no actual evidence that he can) and Gin can't use Aizen's Hypnosis (since there's no evidence that he can use it).

[Red]

oi i give up fine oro would lose happy :sweat now get the fuck off my back:yell man to many bleach fans i think i should go into hiding or something:ninja

[escamoh]

It was a good way to raise post count so whatever.

[Red]

Oi thanks i thought you thought i was an ass :sweat better to stop before it gets worse....

[Sasuke1_2]

Oi thanks i thought you thought i was an ass :sweat better to stop before it gets worse....

ur not an ass:laugh

everyone has their own opinions and thats why we all debate it. Don't worry if ppl fight with u about it. Its all part of debating. There should never be hard feelings.:amuse

[Comic Book Guy]

It was a good way to raise post count so whatever.

Ha ha. . . who knows what the Vegito vs. Vegito topic did to my post count when I made my debut there. . .

[Sasuke1_2]

^I remember that thread.:imslow

I started myself off in the Gojeta VS Vegito thread...oh yeah and Dante VS Itachi thread.:laugh

[Comic Book Guy]

Now that I remember it, I do remember you a bit from the Dante vs. Itachi thread.

Itachi stood little chance against Dante. Only chance he had was Amaterasu, if he managed to connect it.

[Sasuke1_2]

Thats the thread where i first met you.:laugh

I remember a lot of people i started to meet like you, Gokou (who has like 4 different names now,lol), Toffeeman, etc.

Yeah Amaterasu was Itachi's one chance but it seemed clear that Dante had that fight.:amuse

[Comic Book Guy]

Understandable.

I was thinking of a Mundus vs. Kyuubi thread following that.

[Sasuke1_2]

I can see a lot of debatable material off that one seeing how powerful both are said to be.

[Havoc]

Ha ha. . . who knows what the Vegito vs. Vegito topic did to my post count when I made my debut there. . .


Probably about 2000 ypur posts.

[khaos]

i remember orochimaru getting pwnd by the deathgod that was summoned by sarutobi, orochimaru couldnt even see him untill he was screwed..
as much as i like orochimaru, he cannot win this one

[Havoc]

i remember orochimaru getting pwnd by the deathgod that was summoned by sarutobi, orochimaru couldnt even see him untill he was screwed..
as much as i like orochimaru, he cannot win this one


I don't see how this relates to the fight.

[khaos]

I don't see how this relates to the fight.
*pssht* ichimaru is a deathgod :amazed

[Havoc]

*pssht* ichimaru is a deathgod :amazed


First off the Death God in Naruto isn't the same to the Death Gods in Bleach at all. Also it's presumed in the OB that the opponent can see the Death Gods. So I'll ask again, how does this relate to the fight?

[Sasuke1_2]

First off the Death God in Naruto isn't the same to the Death Gods in Bleach at all. Also it's presumed in the OB that the opponent can see the Death Gods. So I'll ask again, how does this relate to the fight?

it doesn't xD

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Oi thanks i thought you thought i was an ass :sweat better to stop before it gets worse....

Unless you received any neg reps over this then don't sweat it. Read the manga and then you get a better idea, it's better to have a proper understanding of both sides before debating, I know since I learned this the hard way

[khaos]

First off the Death God in Naruto isn't the same to the Death Gods in Bleach at all. Also it's presumed in the OB that the opponent can see the Death Gods. So I'll ask again, how does this relate to the fight?who said its not the same? a shinigami is a shinigami, the point is he cant see him, normal people cannot see deathgods, neither in naruto, not in bleach, and its fucking 'presumed'? wtf? who said that?
anyway, even if visible the deathgod wins

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khaos, in Battledome fights deathgods can be seen

[escamoh]

who said its not the same? a shinigami is a shinigami, the point is he cant see him, normal people cannot see deathgods, neither in naruto, not in bleach, and its fucking 'presumed'? wtf? who said that?
anyway, even if visible the deathgod wins
Are you seriously comparing a Shinigami from Bleach with a Shinigami from Naruto?

[Pontago]

Im with Bro Tai, Orochimaru is awsome!

[Pontago]

NOTHING CAN STOP HIM! MWA HA HA HA HA!

[Havoc]

who said its not the same? a shinigami is a shinigami, the point is he cant see him, normal people cannot see deathgods, neither in naruto, not in bleach, and its fucking 'presumed'? wtf? who said that?
anyway, even if visible the deathgod wins

I'm sorry, but you don't know anything. In the Outskirts Battledome Deathgods can be seen by their opponents, do you understand? Also all shinigamis are not the same. I'm trying not to neg rep you, you're not making it easy.

[Dr.Douchebag]

there ARE shinigami in bleach however there IS A shinigami in naruto that is, The death god not death gods

imo the shinigami in naruto>>>>shinigami in bleach

[MdB]

NOTHING CAN STOP HIM! MWA HA HA HA HA!

And the naruto fanboys strike again.
There are many characters who can own oro with ease.

[khaos]

I'm sorry, but you don't know anything. In the Outskirts Battledome Deathgods can be seen by their opponents, do you understand? Also all shinigamis are not the same. I'm trying not to neg rep you, you're not making it easy.rep me any way you like, i dont care.. i simply dont agree with you thats all
im not saying the deathgods are completely the same but they ARE BOTH deathgods (japanese culture), possessing the same typical characteristics and powers

anyway, orochimaru cant win this

[Sasuke1_2]

there ARE shinigami in bleach however there IS A shinigami in naruto that is, The death god not death gods

imo the shinigami in naruto>>>>shinigami in bleach

How do u see that?

The deathgod requires a sacrifice in Naruto while the death gods in bleach are people with crazy zanpakuto's and who can do crazy abilities.

In terms of how much better they are

Bleach > Naruto

Also I bet Aizen could own the other Death God xD