Luffy and Volo VS. Cloud and Rurouni Kenshin

[Bro Tai Jr.]

FAIL !

[Captain Pimp]

Who's Volo? :huh

Ahh....Omnistrife ftw? -_-

[Pipboy]

I think he means Zoro. I am not really sure but I think. If that is the case it might as well be Zoro and Luffy versus, Cloud because kenshin is worth less than nothing.

[Giorno Giovanna]

I think he means Zoro. I am not really sure but I think. If that is the case it might as well be Zoro and Luffy versus, Cloud because kenshin is worth less than nothing.


Now Pipboy, I have noticed that you have certain dislike for the RK universe? May I inquire why?:amuse

[Captain Pimp]

yah..Kenshin would only interfere with Cloud fighting the two XD He's no match for the two Strawhats...

Considering that magic is not limited, Luffy gets drowned and Zoro would be burnt by Bahamut..

[Keollyn]

Kenshin > Cloud. If anyone's useless in this matchup, its Cloud.

[Nexas]

Like Pipboy said Kenshin is useless. By himself Cloud's only chance of taking both Zoro and Luffy would be materia, but without it he would be slaughtered.

[Giovanni Rild]

Kenshin > Cloud. If anyone's useless in this matchup, its Cloud.

You joking? Right?

[Shunsui]

You're high.

I'm relatively confident that Luffy could take Cloud, based entirely on the oftentimes ridiculous amounts of strength he seems to possess, as I know nothing about Cloud.

Zoro could beat out Kenshin, but it would be a very fair fight, at the very best. Kenshin > Zoro in speed, but Zoro > Kenshin in power.

[Keollyn]

You joking? Right?

Not at all. Cloud has power, Kenshin has everything else.

Skill > power.

[Delta Shell]

Yeah I bet Kenshin is more skilled with a sword than Future trunks too. Would he beat him?

Honestly, I think Cloud could mop the floor with all three of the other characters in this one if he had full materia. Even without he's a beast.

[Keollyn]

But Cloud HARDLY has the defense Trunks has. So that comparison was kinda bad.

But truthfully, why is Cloud getting all this lipservice?

[Delta Shell]

Cloud has a good defence in that he is ridiculously fast. He's not as durable as trunks though..then again he's durable enough to get knocked into buildings at a pretty fast speed.

He was pretty much described as weak throughout Advent Children, even though he was nonchalant about dodging point blank gunfire, then at the end the mofo was flying about in the air cutting through buildings so fast that they were glowing from the heat it produced.

Then there was that bit where he was flying upwards cutting bits of building like paper to get to Sephiroth and then fought with Sephiroth while standing as if sationary on bits of building that was falling about.

Did I mention he was flying randomly at the end when he couldn't before?

It's all about the flying.



Anyway, like I said with full Materia he'd be crazy powerful.

[Pipboy]

My first episode of Ruroni Kenshin was Jin-E. I watched it rapt and thought 'holy shit, this is gonna be good. Then as I continued to watch the show I realized that that was an anomaly and te writers would continue to spare Kenshin the pain of having to actually chose between his vow and the lives of those he cared about, neutering the series. Even in the end, Enishi doesn't actually kill Kaoru, instead going through an elaborate ruse that belittles the sacrifices that what is effecitvely an art of murder as Hiko says in Trust and Betrayal.

I believe the series is Blade of the Immortal light and goes so far out of its way to hype up Hiten Mitsurigi and yet that it the primary pivot of the failure to create an emotional price for its central theme of pacifism.

That being said, the universe is also way weak when compared to almost any other manga. With of course expections made for the afore mentioned blade of the immortal.

I see trigun and RK as inheretors to much the same conflict, except that Vash suffers horribly for his choice. His body reflects the choices he has made and in the end it all comes down to him killing blue summers to protect that which he loves, and the choice damns him. Kenshin has no such issue, and the series is more about daikon related idiocy than the grim central theme.

[Delta Shell]

Now the Kenshin univer is generally the weakest Shonen universe (most grounded in reality i'd say) but it does have some crazy stuff in it.

Like Sano taking a "hidden dagger" to the head and it not even scratching him, instead the attackers arm is broken from the impact. That's an insane durability feat.

[Keollyn]

Cloud has a good defence in that he is ridiculously fast. He's not as durable as trunks though..then again he's durable enough to get knocked into buildings at a pretty fast speed.

He was pretty much described as weak throughout Advent Children, even though he was nonchalant about dodging point blank gunfire, then at the end the mofo was flying about in the air cutting through buildings so fast that they were glowing from the heat it produced.

Then there was that bit where he was flying upwards cutting bits of building like paper to get to Sephiroth and then fought with Sephiroth while standing as if sationary on bits of building that was falling about.

Did I mention he was flying randomly at the end when he couldn't before?

It's all about the flying.

He's not Seta fast. That durability is nothing to write home about.

He wasn't actually flying. Sephiroth was "arguably" flying. Cloud was merely "defying" gravity. If he was flying, he would have no need to land... which he does on several occasions. And that was heat? Seems like more reason for Square to make it flashier. Besides, that look like the sparks from the swords clashing. Nonchalant about dodging point-blank gunfire? Did he? Last I recall, he got hit (well not him exactly, but he definitely didn't dodge it). Unless this is another scene..

He was not flying. You know he wasn't. Why would he have to stand on his sword if he was? Every instance after Cloud "jumps" extremely high, he freefalls back to the ground. Cloud CANNOT fly.

I don't know why you think defying gravity = flying. By that point, Tifa was flying when she was hanging on the side of that I-beam.

P.S. Another way to see that Sephiroth flies, Cloud just jumps really high... Before Sephiroth made the sky black, you can see Cloud jumping hp onto a ledge. Sephiroth follows suit. The difference is that Cloud landed just like anyone would after jumping. Sephiroth merely floated to the ground.

[insaneuchiha]

P.S. Another way to see that Sephiroth flies, Cloud just jumps really high... Before Sephiroth made the sky black, you can see Cloud jumping hp onto a ledge. Sephiroth follows suit. The difference is that Cloud landed just like anyone would after jumping. Sephiroth merely floated to the ground.so r u saying that sephiroth cant fly,because he can,but cloud cant the movie was ridiculas overpowered cloud.!

[Keollyn]

Where do you see that? I said that Sephiroth "arguably" flies in AC. Cloud doesn't.

[Delta Shell]

He's not Seta fast. That durability is nothing to write home about.

He wasn't actually flying. Sephiroth was "arguably" flying. Cloud was merely "defying" gravity. If he was flying, he would have no need to land... which he does on several occasions. And that was heat? Seems like more reason for Square to make it flashier. Besides, that look like the sparks from the swords clashing. Nonchalant about dodging point-blank gunfire? Did he? Last I recall, he got hit (well not him exactly, but he definitely didn't dodge it). Unless this is another scene..

He was not flying. You know he wasn't. Why would he have to stand on his sword if he was? Every instance after Cloud "jumps" extremely high, he freefalls back to the ground. Cloud CANNOT fly.

I don't know why you think defying gravity = flying. By that point, Tifa was flying when she was hanging on the side of that I-beam.

P.S. Another way to see that Sephiroth flies, Cloud just jumps really high... Before Sephiroth made the sky black, you can see Cloud jumping hp onto a ledge. Sephiroth follows suit. The difference is that Cloud landed just like anyone would after jumping. Sephiroth merely floated to the ground.

Hahahaha, dude it was a joke post.

The flying bit was anyway (it was intended to be light hearted, I knew he can't fly read the post again).

He can totally dodge bullets and deflect them with his sword pretty easily though, this is at a time where he's described as weaker than his former self. Check out the fight in the white forest, dodging bullets and deflecting them at almost point blank range, then switching to fight a close combat fighter almost instantly, i'd say he was faster than Seta.

Then there's the bit in the tunnel, where he dodges a bullet but more impressively, there's that scene where he does a bunch of stuff before a motor bike in the air hits the ground (well it blows up first).


Edit: Sephiroth can fly, he flies in the game, he even has a wing in AC at one point.

[insaneuchiha]

Where do you see that? I said that Sephiroth "arguably" flies in AC. Cloud doesn't.sry, i guess i read it wrong, anyway clouds team wins...!

[Nexas]

I don't know why you think defying gravity = flying. By that point, Tifa was flying when she was hanging on the side of that I-beam.
I think your taking his words a bit out of context. There is no doubt that Cloud wasn't literally flying, but his gravity defying feats could be seen as 'flying' in a figurative sense.

And the the dodging bullets thing. That was when he was fighting Loz and Yazoo(who came up with this name?) in the tunnel.

[Delta Shell]

There was more bullet dodging in the white forest.

[Keollyn]

Hahahaha, dude it was a joke post.

The flying bit was anyway (it was intended to be light hearted, I knew he can't fly read the post again).

He can totally dodge bullets and deflect them with his sword pretty easily though, this is at a time where he's described as weaker than his former self. Check out the fight in the white forest, dodging bullets and deflecting them at almost point blank range, then switching to fight a close combat fighter almost instantly, i'd say he was faster than Seta.

Then there's the bit in the tunnel, where he dodges a bullet but more impressively, there's that scene where he does a bunch of stuff before a motor bike in the air hits the ground (well it blows up first).


Edit: Sephiroth can fly, he flies in the game, he even has a wing in AC at one point.

Between doing a write-up, watching an anime and eating... I didn't have time to decipher post :amuse

I can't see how that would be faster than Seta. Kenshin was outrunning gunfire quite early in the manga.... when he fought Seta, he couldn't keep up (until later). heck, isn't this the same guy who reacted to a sword ON his neck (Aoshi/Kenshin 2)

Sephiroth flew, yes, but not until the very end. And that was a mutagenically altered Sephiroth.

[Delta Shell]

Kenshin didn't actually outrun the gunfire though, he just ran in a way to make it awkward to actually hit him. They never showed Kenshin or Seta deflecting multiple bullets from a gun point blank.

No i'm sure Sephiroth "flew" out of the Nibelheim mansion in the flashback too.

[Keollyn]

True. But that only says reaction speed for Cloud. Kenshin has quite a few attacks that can solve that.

Huh? He did? And is this Cloud's flashback? I don't believe anything coming from that mind of his...

[escamoh]

I'm not so sure about Sephiroth flying in the game. The entire time we were looking at projections of Sephiroth that he made with his willpower and probably by manipulating Jenova Cells so I think that's why Sephiroth did crazy stuff like fly and teleport in the game.

As for the fight, I think Kenshin wouldn't really last that long so he's out imo. Then it comes down to Cloud vs Luffy+Zoro. This is a tough one for me but I think eventually Luffy & Zoro would win because of teamwork.

But if this is Cloud from the game with his materia he'd own this hands down. And he could just use Life on Kenshin so they both win :laugh

[Nexas]

And he could just use Life on Kenshin so they both win
Only if he was KO'ed as Aeris has already shown that life spells can't bring back the dead :laugh

[Kimimaro]

His Materia combo system is broken. Cloud could take them both without Kenshin's help.