Bandai has gone down on fansubbers

[SeruraRenge]

full story
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=9410

What do you guys think?

[Chunkyhunks]

Interesting.

I guess you cant really blame 'em though. They have to make money on it somehow.

[Prince Leon]

Saw this when it was first posted on ANN yesterday.

We'll see how much of it is talk when the movie is released. Though I don't doubt their power to 'crackdown' there'll probably still be at least one sub of the movie anyways.

[Bass]

You know, if Bandai was smart, what they should do is wait for Solid State Society to be dubbed in both English and Japanese, then release them both on the same day so that fansubber have no purpose to sub it.

[Prince Leon]

You know, if Bandai was smart, what they should do is wait for Solid State Society to be dubbed in both English and Japanese, then release them both on the same day so that fansubber have no purpose to sub it.

Corporations rarely exercise that kind of intelligence. :/

[Bass]

Corporations rarely exercise that kind of intelligence. :/


:P

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[SeruraRenge]

someone at Kaizoku-Fansubs brought up a nice idea on how this issue will probably work
foolio's argument sounds very likely. But what i think is that Bandai is going to probably back that statement for the first few movies/series just so that fansubbers will get the picture and back off, one by one. I think the point isn't actually taking down all fansubbers for good; it's more of a "take down a few so everyone else will be scared and not try" kind of idea so that they don't lose as much revenue later on, since it builds up. But that's just my 5¢ :D

[ETA]

While I question how much of an impact this will have, I do applaud Bandai for being outright here. There are some aspects of capitalism that I'm not fond of, but the system works here, and people who would truly support fansubs of having official releases in their own country of their desired anime are fools.

You know, if Bandai was smart, what they should do is wait for Solid State Society to be dubbed in both English and Japanese, then release them both on the same day so that fansubber have no purpose to sub it.

You realize how impossible that is? Never mind the fact that you'd still have people ripping the official release and putting it on the Internet; to be able to go through the process of producing an English dub takes time, and it can't be done at just the snap of the fingers. The dubbing process for the recording of the Japanese versions are done in production while you have any other language dubs being done post-process. You're asking for something that cannot be done.

[kulgan18]

While I question how much of an impact this will have, I do applaud Bandai for being outright here. There are some aspects of capitalism that I'm not fond of, but the system works here, and people who would truly support fansubs of having official releases in their own country of their desired anime are fools.

You realize how impossible that is? Never mind the fact that you'd still have people ripping the official release and putting it on the Internet; to be able to go through the process of producing an English dub takes time, and it can't be done at just the snap of the fingers. The dubbing process for the recording of the Japanese versions are done in production while you have any other language dubs being done post-process. You're asking for something that cannot be done.

Then what is the point?, they could go after the general P2p community but they choose fansubs because they are easiers targets?.


What about those of us that dont live in the us?? fansubs are doing a service for us too...forget about it if you dont speak english(which is not my first language btw), you are lucky if you get some crappy dubbed version, or censored in the TV.

Well i dont live in the us, so if they release it in the US at the same time that doesnt solve anything. Thats why i totally support the fansubs.

[Masaki]

I'll only be pissed if they crack down on fansubbers of animes with bad dubs.

[SeruraRenge]

I'll only be pissed if they crack down on fansubbers of animes with bad dubs.
there's no need to be subtle. We're afraid they'll go after K-F and ADC.

[ssouske]

You realize how impossible that is? Never mind the fact that you'd still have people ripping the official release and putting it on the Internet; to be able to go through the process of producing an English dub takes time, and it can't be done at just the snap of the fingers. The dubbing process for the recording of the Japanese versions are done in production while you have any other language dubs being done post-process. You're asking for something that cannot be done.

no... its not entirely impossible... acutally it is a very good idea for. doing english and japanese dubs in the same time is quite feasible. they could do it in-house (hiring english voice actors and actresses to do the dubs and also hire translators) or they could invite one of the official dubbing companies like ADV to join them in creating the english dub. the only setback that bandai would face is higher cost... but then again, subbers would lose the initiative to sub the movie/series less or no subbers means people can't watch the movie/series without buying an original copy, more people can buy, therefore more revenues to cover the high cost. as for time constraints, if crappy fansub groups can come up with subs within 24 hours when the raw was released and just a week for the higher quality subers, i don't see the reason why dubers can't come up with an english script in a week...

[Coaxmetal]

Doesn't affect me. I like the dub of Ghost in the Shell: Stand alone Complex so I'll buy the bub version when it comes out anyway, also the quality of the sound and animation is alot better on offical dvds than on fansubs.

[wherezmytofu]

i seriously turn into hulk when i dont get my subbed gundam...expcially since ce 73 has been coming out :o

[Masaki]

there's no need to be subtle. We're afraid they'll go after K-F and ADC.

It's not just that. I've been downloading Pokemon (which is actually RAW only, so it shouldn't be too problematic) and Card Captor Sakura these days.

[Iruka]

full story
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=9410

What do you guys think?
Now, that's quite interesting. :nod


I wouldn't mind having to wait for the dub to watch it tho. I personally think the dub is quite good. :amuse

[Hokage Naruto]

You know, if Bandai was smart, what they should do is wait for Solid State Society to be dubbed in both English and Japanese, then release them both on the same day so that fansubber have no purpose to sub it.

They could've done that awhile ago, so they could've Japanese voice act and dub voice act at the same time. But know the release date of the Japanese voiced GITS coming out, delaying it would make them get angered replies from the Japanese who can understand the language and don't need it in English.

Personally, I can stand watching Solid State Society in RAW format. Since, I'll be buying the DVD anyway. Thats what I did for 2Gig, watched it subbed and bought the dub. Bandai isn't losing money from me and others who do waht I do.

Its still going to be a kickass movie.

[ETA]

Then what is the point?, they could go after the general P2p community but they choose fansubs because they are easiers targets?.

Despite what some may believe in this day and age, fansubbing is not as beneficial as some claim to be. Bandai realizes this, and for something that is a guranteed success as the Ghost in the Shell franchise, why the hell should they have to put up with people not bothering to be real fans and try to support anime? Sure, they aren't going to get most of those involved, but it's more along the lines of taking these neo-fansubbers who think it is their God-given-right to watch something for free in spite of them hurting the industry.

What about those of us that dont live in the us?? fansubs are doing a service for us too...forget about it if you dont speak english(which is not my first language btw), you are lucky if you get some crappy dubbed version, or censored in the TV.

I don't suppose importing is an absolute impossibility, right? Plus, you have to consider, despite how unfair it may be to you and other anime fans in your area, that you are in a minority when it comes to how the official domestic release in Region 1 does.

Well i dont live in the us, so if they release it in the US at the same time that doesnt solve anything. Thats why i totally support the fansubs.

To totally support an illegal activity, particuarly when something is a "privelage" like anime is and not a "right," is ridiculous. While your fate has dealt you a cruel hand by not allowing you to easily purchase what you desire, bare in mind that a single person's wants does not represent the whole.

no... its not entirely impossible... acutally it is a very good idea for. doing english and japanese dubs in the same time is quite feasible. they could do it in-house (hiring english voice actors and actresses to do the dubs and also hire translators) or they could invite one of the official dubbing companies like ADV to join them in creating the english dub. the only setback that bandai would face is higher cost...

You gave one of the reasons why it won't be done right there. Believe it or not, the anime industry in both the United States and Japan is not the most successfully financial of ones, and part of the reason is because there are so many elitists out there who won't bother to put out money for anime because they believe themselves to be better for watching something exclusively on the Internet, thereby somehow making them better than everyone else. The casual anime fans help with series like Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Inu Yasha, etc. but for anime that get lesser attention you don't have that support. Sadly, you also don't get a lot of support likewise from the more hardcore community, some of which are what I described prior.

but then again, subbers would lose the initiative to sub the movie/series less or no subbers means people can't watch the movie/series without buying an original copy, more people can buy, therefore more revenues to cover the high cost.

I really can't understand what you're saying here, I'm sorry.

as for time constraints, if crappy fansub groups can come up with subs within 24 hours when the raw was released and just a week for the higher quality subers, i don't see the reason why dubers can't come up with an english script in a week...

Do you have any idea long the process for bringing over, translating, subtitlng, and the whole dubbing job takes?

[trebors]

maybe soon other company will follow bandai if bandai is succesful and fansub will be illegal