So who really "Gives Life?"

[HyugaHinata]

I don't understand why religious groups say "God gave us life, only God can take it."

Firstly, our parents created us, but they're not the only reason why we're alive - there is a social contract between every member of society not to kill each other, so it could be said that we give each other life by not killing one another.

Secondly, I never asked to be born, why should I be obliged to be grateful unless I am happy with my life? Man is NOT a pot - a parent has no right to abuse a child.

[notcomawhite]

You're not necessarly giving life by not killing someone- you're just letting them live the rest of their life that their parents gave to them.

"Who" really gives life? Parents. Even if there is or isn't a God, parents definately give life. And considering that children have the genes of their parents, I guess you could also say that God did not give you a "certain" child to raise. But that really could be debated I suppose, since God could create a soul and put it in a child that will grow up with simular traits as the mother and father.

[MartialHorror]

If God created life, then its because of that we are alive. Our parents are our parents but God would be the parent of humanity, if you believe in God.

What don't you get about that HyugaHinata?

You never were asked to be born, but you dont have to stay alive either. And happiness is something you choose to be. You choose to not like your job, marriage, ect. It's not something society makes you as much as you choose to be.

[Zhongda]

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that's what

[HyugaHinata]

You're not necessarly giving life by not killing someone- you're just letting them live the rest of their life that their parents gave to them.

And that's my point. We continue to live because of an implied social contract. People generally don't kill others, because they don't want to be killed. It's called reciprocal empathy.

[notcomawhite]

And that's my point. We continue to live because of an implied social contract. People generally don't kill others, because they don't want to be killed. It's called reciprocal empathy.

that's not necessarly considered giving life in most senses though. Unless you meant the future of generations between the people that could have been killed, with that I can see a point.

[HyugaHinata]

If God created life, then its because of that we are alive. Our parents are our parents but God would be the parent of humanity, if you believe in God.

What don't you get about that HyugaHinata?

How about the fact that there's no verifiable evidence for a god of any kind?

You never were asked to be born, but you dont have to stay alive either. And happiness is something you choose to be. You choose to not like your job, marriage, ect. It's not something society makes you as much as you choose to be.

Yeah, right. Poor people are in a bad position to begin with. Those born into rich families can have an easy time, coasting through life.

Also, quadraplegics can't commit suicide alone. Some consider themselves lucky because they can have their respirators removed, and others have to starve themselves to death. Unfortunately, if they are force-fed with a feeding tube, they can't do much about it.

[MartialHorror]

1) Nor is there any against it. But you are dealing with people who do believe it, yet you somehow think they're dumb for it.

2) There are more ways to kill yourself. And poor people can still be happy. Your definition of happiness seems to be how much money you have.

[Gunners]

And that's my point. We continue to live because of an implied social contract. People generally don't kill others, because they don't want to be killed. It's called reciprocal empathy.

Not really something like killing i don't care about the law to be truely honest, a small reason i would not kill someone over even if i were able to, a big reason i would do time for, no fear involved.

I think it is somewhat wrong when people make there decissions over the fact that they will be punished it should be made because it is the right thing to do.


How about the fact that there's no verifiable evidence for a god of any kind?

How about the fact that you asked why relegious groups see things that way, so whether god exists or not has nothing to do with it, you take the situation as, they beleive in god and think this way.


Yeah, right. Poor people are in a bad position to begin with. Those born into rich families can have an easy time, coasting through life.

I sense a form of jealousy. If you beleive being born in to a poor and rich family makes life easier you are quite warped, there are many factors which can be involved, a lot depends on you as a person aswell.

[HyugaHinata]

1) Nor is there any against it. But you are dealing with people who do believe it, yet you somehow think they're dumb for it.

There's plenty of evidence against it. The bible doesn't think the world is round, for example. There is no evidence for a global flood - other civilizations were flourishing at the supposed time.

2) There are more ways to kill yourself. And poor people can still be happy. Your definition of happiness seems to be how much money you have.

1. If you don't have the same lethal drugs as the doctors, you can't kill yourself with much certainty. Anything short of suicide bombing or lethal pills can still be botched.

2. I was saying that being in poverty makes it hard to even survive, so of course it'll be harder for the poor to be happy.

[notcomawhite]

There's plenty of evidence against it. The bible doesn't think the world is round, for example. There is no evidence for a global flood - other civilizations were flourishing at the supposed time.

even if the Bible says that the world is triangle [sarcasm] that does not disprove that there is or isn't a God. If you want to debate whether there is a God or not, there are threads for it.

1. If you don't have the same lethal drugs as the doctors, you can't kill yourself with much certainty. Anything short of suicide bombing or lethal pills can still be botched.

although there are a lot of cases of failed suicide attempts, that doesn't mean there aren't other ways to kill yourself suddenly or easily. [ex. jumping off a building/bridge or shooting yourself]

2. I was saying that being in poverty makes it hard to even survive, so of course it'll be harder for the poor to be happy.

It all depends on view point- a lot of poorer people out there are happier because they appreciate more when they get it instead of some rich people that get whatever they want whenever they want.

[Red]

You're not necessarly giving life by not killing someone- you're just letting them live the rest of their life that their parents gave to them.

"Who" really gives life? Parents. Even if there is or isn't a God, parents definately give life. And considering that children have the genes of their parents, I guess you could also say that God did not give you a "certain" child to raise. But that really could be debated I suppose, since God could create a soul and put it in a child that will grow up with simular traits as the mother and father.
Well I think....just maybe God gives life...I mean if it was left to the parent you'd be born....but dead like still borns.

[notcomawhite]

Well I think....just maybe God gives life...I mean if it was left to the parent you'd be born....but dead like still borns.

Even if God gives life it's through the parents. There is science about how a fetus developes within a mother. I guess it is possible that God could give life to each and every individual- but it's still through parent's D.N.A and their reproductive systems. So either way- it's the parents that give life. Parents and God if that's what you choose to believe =]

[MartialHorror]

And that's my point. We continue to live because of an implied social contract. People generally don't kill others, because they don't want to be killed. It's called reciprocal empathy.

Tell that to the societies where murder was deemed alright. Such as the Samurai.

[Alia_Atreides]

I'm not really getting the point... :(

Let me see... Parents dont have the right of taking the lifes of their children. They have a responsability, take care of their children, or maybe give them for adoption if they dont feel they could take care of them. But no parent can murder his own child, since a child is a person. But I dont think anyone is debating this...

About God, or destiny, or things like that, is think is just a way of saying no one can have the right of taking other people's lives. The right God would have over us is based on the fact that he is supposed to be the balance of the Universe. People must die so other can be born. It's nature. But who decides that? If you believe in God, you assume he is the judge of that balance. But if you believe in God, death is not always a bad thing; it can actually be a good thing, where you go to Heaven and find peace. So, its not like God owns your soul, but more like he can decides you are ready to go to a better place.

Just a point of view. I'm not religious, so I really couldnt explain better than that... but I'm sure that if you believe in God, you also believe he uses death to a higher purpose, and not revenge or punishment, like people do when they kill.

[Saufsoldat]

Its all reallly not that difficult. Our parents are the ones who produce a little thing called Zygote which is the first cell of a new human being. Nine month later a small something is born.

Why doesnt parents simply leave the child where it is or throuw it away?
Thats got nothing to do with moral or laws its just instict!!!
I mean many people ask themselves whats the meaning of life but basicly human beings are animals and animals have one big purpose: create more animals.

1) we all live to "reproduce" ourselves. (together with another human so mankind developes)

2) having a mind has nothing to do with god or a soul. its just a pile of cells which are extremly stupid and based on very simple insticts but together they form a highly intelligent creature called human that has the rare ability to imagine things.

These are facts that science explored now but earlier when people couldnt answer this questions they just made up something( another ability of mankind) called god.

thats that!:oh

[Amra]

What are we using as the definition of life?

I ask because technically, plants and animals are also "alive".

If we are talking about "life" as in being “alive”...

then "life" is nothing more then a happenstance combination of amino acids…

Or by "life" are we referring to the "ability to reason"?

If so, "life" is nothing more then a happenstance combination of amino acids...

Sounds a little redundant, but it's entirely true.



Technically though, sustenance also gives life… :)

[MartialHorror]

There's plenty of evidence against it. The bible doesn't think the world is round, for example. There is no evidence for a global flood - other civilizations were flourishing at the supposed time.



1. If you don't have the same lethal drugs as the doctors, you can't kill yourself with much certainty. Anything short of suicide bombing or lethal pills can still be botched.

2. I was saying that being in poverty makes it hard to even survive, so of course it'll be harder for the poor to be happy.

1) Actually it does, the idea it is flat is a misconception. The verses people use are either "Visions" or "Metaphors". And the global flood is mixed. On one hand, its possible most of genesis is a story about the human soul. On the other, we base things on what would be post-flood science, we wouldnt know what the world would have been like before a global flood. Lastly, I think the Bible is God inspired, but not written by God. It's possibleGod just whiped out the all through that area(Red Sea rising), and at the time, they didn't know there was a world outside their own land. Hence, they would say "World".

But this is another debate, HyugaHinata. It's not a matter if it happened or not, its a matter of you getting your head out of the clouds and understanding not everyone thinks like you, thankfully.

[Mat Mation]

I HATE RELIGION! I STAY OUT OF THAT! ITS JUST AAHHHHHH!!!

[Gir]

Actually Let me Explain the Circle of life,

The Beggining (God Coulduve Created it wutever I Dont Care)

Germs and stuff

Eventually evolve too us

We Start "Doin It"

Child pops out

Child Eats Things

Child Grows

Child Is an Adult

Starts "Doin It"

Other Organisms Getting Eatin Are Extinct

Were Extinct

BACK TOO THE TOP!!!!!!! (ignore the Begging after First Time There are no two begginings)

[google123]

Not parents, because they can't control if the child is stillborn.

[Half Empty]

*just another way to put the fear of god in u
*ur parent at least get sum credit in the bible :amuse
*those groups they want more "members" on there side by any means necessary just another form of psedo- terrorism
*they think are helping u from sin but they really want to look good infront of god
*they are just trying to look important by getting more people on their to win the worlds 5th oldest arguement" which is the bestest religon?"
* all of the above

[wiggely]

And that's my point. We continue to live because of an implied social contract
looks like someone has been reading some hobbes