Balrog vs 10 Doom Guards from WarcraftIII

[Hyuuga Ichirou]

Huge handicap match. Who would win?

[Gaelek_13]

If this is the LOTR Balrog then I reckon it'd be able to win, those things were freakin' powerful.

[Rice Ball]

1 Doomguard > 1 balrog imho

[Endless Mike]

Gandalf's fight with the Balrog destroyed half a moutain. And that was a weaker one.

Balrogs are also Maiar.

[Gaelek_13]

Gandalf's fight with the Balrog destroyed half a moutain. And that was a weaker one.

Balrogs are also Maiar.

Exactly. A Balrog after being sealed for thousands of years and being weakened by the water still had a fight that destroyed a mountain. A full power, strong Balrog would be a force to be reckoned with.

Gothmog, Lord of Balrogs especially

[Rice Ball]

So now its 10x Lord Kazak v Gothmog

[Pipboy]

Uhhh, well, actually it would only really take 1/2x lord Kazzak to take on a balrog. Doomguards are nothing compared to a balrog, doom guard commanders are 20-50%. Doomguard lords.... sheeyit, bring to pooper scooper for whats left of your average balrog. Gothmog for all his power, possesses a subtle power. LOTR in general is very low power, magic very subdued. Warcraft is high magic.

[Gaelek_13]

Uhhh, well, actually it would only really take 1/2x lord Kazzak to take on a balrog. Doomguards are nothing compared to a balrog, doom guard commanders are 20-50%. Doomguard lords.... sheeyit, bring to pooper scooper for whats left of your average balrog. Gothmog for all his power, possesses a subtle power. LOTR in general is very low power, magic very subdued. Warcraft is high magic.

Yes of course, subtle in the way that Gandalf the Grey could still blow the shit out of a mountain. Warcraft may be greater, but don't sell LOTR short fella.

[Guy Gardner]

The problem with most magic in LotRs is that

1) You don't see it at work.

2) The wizards have made an oath to be passive and more as guiding forces rather than the actual shapers. Gandalf is much more like the Phantom Stranger: A being that is, potentially, infinitely powerful, but limited by the restrictions set upon him by a higher power.

Thusly, someone like a Balrog, fighting at full power, should massacre anything that's not at a incredibly Godly stature.

[Pipboy]

Look, if Ecthelion can kill 3 balrogs then kill off Gothmog with his helmet, I don't see how Kazzark or any doomguard commander can lose.

LOTR doesn't think big the same way as warcraft, and most of the mountain was still there post battle. Look at the devestation that heralds the death of Archimonde. Look at his foul works.

[azn_sephiroth]

Look, if Ecthelion can kill 3 balrogs then kill off Gothmog with his helmet, I don't see how Kazzark or any doomguard commander can lose.

LOTR doesn't think big the same way as warcraft, and most of the mountain was still there post battle. Look at the devestation that heralds the death of Archimonde. Look at his foul works.


Yeah i agree.....when Archimonde exploded he virtually destroyed the whole forest. LOTR's magic is weeak. But in this battle..if its just DOOOMGUARDS against one Balrog...i guess i can give it to the Balrog.

[Hyuuga Ichirou]

Warcraft is a game, and LOTR has gaming version. If you has played The battle for Middle-Earth, you'll see that Balrog in game =1000 Balrog in movie.
A Doom guard has only a 1500 HP.
Balrog in TBFME has 4000 HP, and 2000 Damage Point. This means 1 Balrog's hit whoop a DG's ass. Plus Balrog has the Breath Fire Ability cause 4000 Damage Point and has wide range effect. 1 Breath Fire kills 10 DG. ^^

[konflikti]

Doomguard has 3 second AoE stun(Warstomp). It costs 90 mana. Doomguard has 500 mana. Thus, single Doomguard can stun 5,5 times, most likely 6 times if you factor in mana regeneration. We have 10 Doomguards. That equals 6 * 10 * 3 = 180 seconds of continous stun, with 10 Doomguards hacking Balrog. Doomguard has avg. dmg of 44.5 per hit and attackspeed of 0.5555...(this I'm not perfectly certain, I thought they hitted faster) hits per second.

Thus, during the 180 continous stun, there will be 180 * 0.5555 * 10 attacks.
~1000 attacks. Each attack deals the average 44.5 dmg on Balrog. 1000 * 44.5 = 4450 dmg. This is dead Balrog.

Uhh, I forgot to calculate stun damage in. It's 6 * 10 * 25 = 1500 additional damage.

I had fun with game facts too. I think we should let the people who know lore better own this debate.

[SSJ2 Lawnchair]

There were plenty of battles in the first age that destroyed whole mountains and reshaped the earth.

Plenty of great showings of power as well, by elves and maia alike.

The istari in the 3rd age weren't allowed to use their power openly to contest sauron, they were there to guide the peoples of middle earth, not deliver them. Gandalf in his restrained human form, was able to beat Durins bane, a corrupted maiar

[Pipboy]

Which does not point to the Balrogs power. Quite the opposite.

[Guy Gardner]

Which does not point to the Balrogs power. Quite the opposite.

Actually, it simply speaks to Gandalf's power. The fact that the Balrog was also weakened, and that both in their weakened state managed to destroy the better part of a mountain, speaks more in their favor.

[Pipboy]

I disagree on the grounds that a doomguard can single handedly wreck a good portion of a city and a Doomguard commander can also level mountains. Furthermore Balrogs are ridicuously vulnerable to helmets.

[thewinterknight]

Doomguard has 3 second AoE stun(Warstomp). It costs 90 mana. Doomguard has 500 mana. Thus, single Doomguard can stun 5,5 times, most likely 6 times if you factor in mana regeneration. We have 10 Doomguards. That equals 6 * 10 * 3 = 180 seconds of continous stun, with 10 Doomguards hacking Balrog. Doomguard has avg. dmg of 44.5 per hit and attackspeed of 0.5555...(this I'm not perfectly certain, I thought they hitted faster) hits per second.

Thus, during the 180 continous stun, there will be 180 * 0.5555 * 10 attacks.
~1000 attacks. Each attack deals the average 44.5 dmg on Balrog. 1000 * 44.5 = 4450 dmg. This is dead Balrog.

Uhh, I forgot to calculate stun damage in. It's 6 * 10 * 25 = 1500 additional damage.

I had fun with game facts too. I think we should let the people who know lore better own this debate.

:amazed
I think you should leave this debate to people who want to argue with lore and not game facts.

IMO, from what I see from your post, I think the Doomguards could probably win until the Balrog had some special armor or some kind of immunity..

After all, it was FREAKING HUGE!!! I mean it was like 30 ft tall. With wings to match its' statue.

[omg laser pew pew!]

Actually from how the balrogs are described in the book (and NOT Jackson's movies), balrogs are far smaller than they were made out to be. From the description, they would be not much bigger than the cave troll

Wikipedia to the rescue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balrog)

Go near the bottom of the page, it's stated there.

Balrogs are made to look huge just because they look far cooler. Just like the velociraptor from Jurassic Park. They're far smaller than what they look like in the move and most likely have feathers

[konflikti]

:amazed
I think you should leave this debate to people who want to argue with lore and not game facts.

That's what I said. The post was just an elaborate way of pointing out how stupid it is to compare game facts.

[Fenix]

10 Doomguards? Hmmmmm

I think 1on1 is more fair.

In Warcraft lore, your average Doomguard is far more powerful than the game version. Read the War of the Ancients trilogy. There is one problem with the books tho, the Doomguards get wrecked by stronger opponents everytime -_-

[humpa]

As a warcraft fan more than a lotr fan , i would say doom guard because doom guard has chaos damage that goes through any armor. Also they have war stomp, rain of fire and 10 of them spamming balrog. balrog cant even fight if they warstomp chain him.

[konflikti]

As a warcraft fan more than a lotr fan , i would say doom guard because doom guard has chaos damage that goes through any armor. Also they have war stomp, rain of fire and 10 of them spamming balrog. balrog cant even fight if they warstomp chain him.

Chaos damage doesn't go trough armor. It isn't specifically reduced by any armor type though, like piercing and other damage types are.

[humpa]

oh yeah thats what i meant.....KHAAANNN.