Battle of the old men !.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

Whose the strongest of these old mpeople. Look at the poll above. Rank them by a list.

[Envy]

Dude. Triple post much?

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

i know, sorry. I screwed up big time when posting this thread. It was by accident.

[Endless Mike]

1. Genkai isn't a man.

2. Unless this 'Shujinko' is a cosmic being (and he could be, for all I know), then Gandalf owns this.

[Havoc]

i know, sorry. I screwed up big time when posting this thread. It was by accident.


You can say that again, and again.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

1. Genkai isn't a man.

2. Unless this 'Shujinko' is a cosmic being (and he could be, for all I know), then Gandalf owns this.

1- I know that.

2- Shujinko can copy the abilities of ANY one he encounters. So you can see two gandalfs fighting.

BTW what about Yamaji ?..

[Endless Mike]

"Copy the abilities of anyone" is a no - limits fallacy. What kind of abilities has he copied that would lead one to believe he could copy the divine power of a Maia?

[Galt]

Gandalf = demigod.

:P

[Marsala]

Master Roshi blew up the damn moon. That's above anything even Gandalf in his full power Maia form can do.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

He copied Hell fire from scorpion. Demonic magic from ermac. Ice manipulation from sub-zero. And he is only a human bieng ! how can a human summon hellfire ?.
Shujinko can copy all of gandalfs abilities.
Actually a better word would be "Absorb". Shujinko can absorb the fighting abilities of any one he encounters.
So Shujinko can stand up to gandalf. Not saying that Shujinko would win though because im on Yamajis side.

[Pimp of Pimps]

"Copy the abilities of anyone" is a no - limits fallacy. What kind of abilities has he copied that would lead one to believe he could copy the divine power of a Maia?

He's copied the abilities of a freakin' GOD, Raiden. Not to mention

Scorpian
Ermac
Ashrah
Sub-Zero
Night-Wolf
Kobra
Kira
Bo Rai cho
Darrius
Tayna
Sindel

and more, I can't remember all the names.

He had a good amount of experiance. Around 80-90 years.

[Endless Mike]

Not really, because Gandalf's abilities are divine in nature, and come from higher powers. It's not something a mortal could wield.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

Niether are Raidens powers. And he absorbed them and fought as if he was raiden himself. Look at octagons post.

[Pimp of Pimps]

Not really, because Gandalf's abilities are divine in nature, and come from higher powers. It's not something a mortal could wield.

and the abilities of a god isn't? Not to mention raiden was an elder god for a short while.

I just checked and apparently shujinko absorbed the abilities of ALL present MK warriors. They he procedded to defeat Onaga, someone even Raiden couldn't scratch.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

BTW, octagon, why didnt you vote yet ?..

[blacklusterseph004]

Yamamoto wins. He has combat experience, major sword skills, kidou, shunpo(arguably one of the fastest character's in Bleach) and a sword that burns everything it comes close to.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

Guys, if you think some one would win then vote in the poll please.

[Endless Mike]

and the abilities of a god isn't? Not to mention raiden was an elder god for a short while.

I just checked and apparently shujinko absorbed the abilities of ALL present MK warriors. They he procedded to defeat Onaga, someone even Raiden couldn't scratch.

Simply being titled 'a god' means nothing if he has nothing to back it up.

[Tower Bridge]

Gandalf Dumbledore has instantaneous transport and almost instantaneous spell casting.
An aimed avada-kedavra curse will give him the win in each case.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

Avada Kedavra is for Dumbledore, not Gandalf.

[Tower Bridge]

shit, I meant Dumbledore. :/

[Endless Mike]

And how do you suppose Avada Kedavra is going to work against someone who's immortal?

[Tower Bridge]

Who says it can't?
Well I was just assuming that it would work against immortals as well.

[Xx Sasuke xX]

Sarutobi(3rd Hokage) would win with that Death God jutsu whoa!!

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

Guys, here are some links to find out how strong Shujinko can get. Although i like Yammamoto more, i believe that Shujinko will own all of these guys.

Link one: This link shows how powerful Raiden and Onaga are.
Watch ALL of it, Raiden isnt dead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_ryt258r-g

Link two: This one shows how Shujinko defeats Onaga. Someone who a Raiden, The Thunder god, couldnt scratch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia7io73-e7E

Watch them and decide.

[Pimp of Pimps]

Simply being titled 'a god' means nothing if he has nothing to back it up.

Your post makes abosutley no sense whattsoever. Raiden IS immortal. He has been alive for millions of years. He is a GOD.

[Endless Mike]

Raiden didn't do anything really impressive in that video, not anything that, say, Pre - death Sidious couldn't do. Also I noticed that Shujinko was unable to absorb Onaga's powers, it seemed like the absorbtion thing could only be done with the other guy's consent.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

Shujinko couldnt absorb Onagas abilities is because Onaga gave him the ability to copy in the 1st place. Onaga created this ability and thats why he is immune to it.

[Endless Mike]

So therefore it won't work on everything.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

It works on every one he meets. Onaga was the one to give him the ability so thats why he is the only one that it didnt work on. Gandalf didnt give this ability to him, so why wouldnt it work?.

[Endless Mike]

Because the power of a Maiar can't be wielded by mortals.

[Pimp of Pimps]

Because the power of a Maiar can't be wielded by mortals.

Neither can the power of a god. what's your point?

[Endless Mike]

For a 'god', Raiden didn't seem that impressive.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

How can causing a nuclear blast not be impressive ?.

[Pimp of Pimps]

For a 'god', Raiden didn't seem that impressive.

Then your eyes devieve you. He was fighting two EXTREMLEY powerful sorceres. And the one wearing red was tapping sould from heaven itself.

Raiden is a god, living for millions of years. In the MK world it is possible for people to become as strong asgods. Those two were god-like in their power. And they still needed help from the sould in heaven. It might not have looked super-immpressive, but that's only because they were fighting at a somewhat similar level and they didn't break building until the explosion.

And why does it matter if it was immpressive or not? His powers are still not those a mortal can weild, yet shujinko did.

[Endless Mike]

And was he also created directly and imbued with divinity by an omnipotent being?

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

OK fine if you think Gandalf wins, its your opinion. Now, how will you rank the rest?. Who wins after Gandalf?.

[exmorte]

As much as it pains me to say it, Roshi gets my vote.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

Revived !.

Who takes this ?.

[Khamzul]

I think Gandalf is a clear winner, he is immortal, and has lived for more than 10 000 years (atleast, probably way more but I don't got numbers right now). Further more he is a Maia (pointed out by Endless Mike), what I would describe as an archangel. He was thought to be the equal of Sauron by Manwe, ho again was the highes trusted servant of Morgoth (the enemy) who took on all the other gods in a rebellion. His powers are given to him by Illuvatar - can't really copy that in my opinion.

Remember that Gandalf's power was greatly restricted in the Lord of the Rings, and the power he can wield in an unconfined form is much higher.

Second I would place Yammamoto Genryuusai. He is followed by
Dumbledore on third place, who is not fast enought to follow Yammamoto (instant teleportation still requires gesture and/or word) and his curse is also not instant (requires words before initiated).

Sarutobi is on forth place, but may or may not be outclassed by the two I know little about (probably by atleast one of them from what I have read in this thread).

I know little about the others, but if they are any less than god level themselves - I don't think they got the level of power to face Gandalf.

[tri-sapphire]

1. Gandalf from The Lord Of The Rings: godlike being with unimaginable power (much unlike Raiden's petty and humanly scopable power)

2. Master Roshi from DB: The guy had an entire fight and played jankenpo in under a second. He also has enough power to destroy the moon.

2. Yammamoto Genryuusai from Bleach: Insane speed, power, and a zanpakutou that has a seriously powerful shikai (and he hasn't even revealed his bankai yet).

3. Genkai from YuYu Hakusho: Assuming she has the spirit orb, speed and power well above the others.

4. The 3rd Hokage from Naruto: Speed, all jutsu of Konoha, Shiki Fuuin.

5. Albus Dumbledore from Harry Potter: Apparation, avada kedavra.

6. Shujinko from Mortal Kombat: He'd have his head torn/cut/punched off (or avada kedavra cast on him) before he can pull off a single move. For all that he showed he can copy the attacks of any fighter, speed and power seem to remain within the general MK range (a random person can see almost all of the movements made). This shall be his undoing.

[vagnard]

I don't know what so impressive feat Gandalf did to be ranked so high. He just has a link with the power of a God...that doesn't make him God himself. He had trouble with the Balrog and Gandalf the White still used his sword and basic magic tricks to deal with his enemies.

I never see a ability from him capable to destroy a country or a big amount of enemies. If he was so powerful Aragorn's army wouldn't have so trouble to deal with Sauron's armies....

Roshi clearly wins this by raw power. He destroyed the moon from the Earth with a single blast of his Kame Hame Ha. Gandalf isn't even near of that sort of power. A servant of Iluvatar isn't Iluvatar himself. It's like saying that Raito is a god because he uses the Note of a Shinigami.

[exmorte]

Gandalf is the equivalent of a demigod. Gandalf's physical form can be destroyed and he will come back. So he cannot die. He will outlast roshi until roshi dies of old age.

[Giovanni Rild]

Gandalf is the equivalent of a demigod. Gandalf's physical form can be destroyed and he will come back. So he cannot die. He will outlast roshi until roshi dies of old age.

Don't roshi have everlasting youth or something like that?

[Endless Mike]

That was a lie he made up.

[vagnard]

Gandalf is the equivalent of a demigod. Gandalf's physical form can be destroyed and he will come back. So he cannot die. He will outlast roshi until roshi dies of old age.

That's like saying that Orochimaru > Goku because Oro can remain hidden changing to another body while Goku will die eventually of old age.

[~Shin~]

didn't master roshi drink that water or something?

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

1. Gandalf from The Lord Of The Rings: godlike being with unimaginable power (much unlike Raiden's petty and humanly scopable power)

2. Master Roshi from DB: The guy had an entire fight and played jankenpo in under a second. He also has enough power to destroy the moon.

2. Yammamoto Genryuusai from Bleach: Insane speed, power, and a zanpakutou that has a seriously powerful shikai (and he hasn't even revealed his bankai yet).

3. Genkai from YuYu Hakusho: Assuming she has the spirit orb, speed and power well above the others.

4. The 3rd Hokage from Naruto: Speed, all jutsu of Konoha, Shiki Fuuin.

5. Albus Dumbledore from Harry Potter: Apparation, avada kedavra.

6. Shujinko from Mortal Kombat: He'd have his head torn/cut/punched off (or avada kedavra cast on him) before he can pull off a single move. For all that he showed he can copy the attacks of any fighter, speed and power seem to remain within the general MK range (a random person can see almost all of the movements made). This shall be his undoing.

Are you serious ?. MK >>>>>> YYH, Bleach and Naruto. Shujinko shouldn't be last here.

[HugeGuy]

I don't know what so impressive feat Gandalf did to be ranked so high. He just has a link with the power of a God...that doesn't make him God himself. He had trouble with the Balrog and Gandalf the White still used his sword and basic magic tricks to deal with his enemies.

I never see a ability from him capable to destroy a country or a big amount of enemies. If he was so powerful Aragorn's army wouldn't have so trouble to deal with Sauron's armies....

Roshi clearly wins this by raw power. He destroyed the moon from the Earth with a single blast of his Kame Hame Ha. Gandalf isn't even near of that sort of power. A servant of Iluvatar isn't Iluvatar himself. It's like saying that Raito is a god because he uses the Note of a Shinigami.

Seconded. Just what did Gandalf do to be held so high by many? tri-sapphire said he wields unimaginable powers but the movies never attempt to show his true powers and I haven't read the books. So can someone tell me the extent of Gandalf's power?

If not, then I'll have to go with Master Roshi.

[exmorte]

IIRC the extent of Gandalfs powers are never shown, they are mentioned in the simillarilon (I cant speel it) but I never finished that book.

[tri-sapphire]

Seconded. Just what did Gandalf do to be held so high by many? tri-sapphire said he wields unimaginable powers but the movies never attempt to show his true powers and I haven't read the books. So can someone tell me the extent of Gandalf's power?

If not, then I'll have to go with Master Roshi.

I'm just going by what others have said. I do know that Gandalf is indeed a demi-god though, and that it's impossible to kill him.


And how do MK characters even compare to people who can move and kill a person in under a second? Have any feats to back up your claim, The Nameless Pharaoh? Speed, durability, attack power?

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

I'm just going by what others have said. I do know that Gandalf is indeed a demi-god though, and that it's impossible to kill him.


And how do MK characters even compare to people who can move and kill a person in under a second? Have any feats to back up your claim, The Nameless Pharaoh? Speed, durability, attack power?

Speed: They can teleport.
Power and Durability: Doon't get me started on power. Shujinko would uppercut the 3rd Hokage all the way to heaven.

[Ryuji Yamazaki]

He doesn't need to blow up the moon to beat Roshi.
Genryusai is way too fast.
He travelled several miles in under a second, that's pretty freaking fast.
He would simply slice Roshi's head off as soon as the match started.


Shigekuni Yamamoto-Genryūsai wins.

[tri-sapphire]

Speed: They can teleport.
Power and Durability: Doon't get me started on power. Shujinko would uppercut the 3rd Hokage all the way to heaven.

Teleportation isn't going to help him when Genkai turns around and blows his head off with a spirit gun before he even realizes he's reached his destination. Attack and reaction speed has nothing to do with teleportation.

And where are you getting this power info from? Has he lifted any big rocks, destroyed buildings, sent people that high (while not performing a fatality), or created any huge craters in the ground with physical strength alone in any of the story scenes?

[Graham Aker]

Dumbledore Avadas everyone..Avada worked on Fawkes(who si immortal) albeit he ressurected and wasnt really killed because of that natural ability...

demi-gods imo, arent pure immortals so...

[Khamzul]

Quick summary about Gandalf

Gandalf is a demigod, and has been stated to be the equal to Sauron himself, the steward (assumingly therefore the strongest demigod) under Melkor, the strongest of the God's.

The feats of such Demigod's (hereafter referenced as Maia's) include - making people sleep for 2000 years, casting a protective barrier around an intire kingdom which prevents anyone not stronger than the caster unable to enter, controlling water, taking a form (ie. a Balrog, a spider, a werewolf and birds), one maia is the sun (whose said to scorch even Melkor when he attempted to reach it), and another is the moon. Those are some of the powers a maia can wield.

He is also said to be the wisest of the maia. If we make take into the account that Sauron was the steward of Morgoth himself (the enemy of the gods) and that he again was Gandalf equal - we got ourself a very powerful maia.

Gandalf stated that "your weapons are cannot touch me" when confronted against the heir of Isildur, Gimli and Legolas combined.
He then effortlessly paraplises Gimli, makes Aragorn's sword burn him, and directs Legolas's aim up in the sky.

What is very important to remember here is that during the War of the Ring ("Lord of the Rings" happened during this period) - Gandalf was confined into the shape of a very old man. He also had strict limitations to his powers, and was there to advice and councel - these limits where set by the Gods themselves.

Do not think that Gandalf the white is Gandalfs true form. This was simply a lesser lifting of his limit.

Let us also not forget his ring. Upon arriving to Middle Earth, he was presented with the Ring of Fire by Círdan, one of the three rings of the elves. This ring was said to have the power to inspire others to resist tyranny, domination and despair (in other words, evoking hope from others around the wielder), as well as giving resistance to the weariness of time: '"Take this ring," he said "for your labours will be heavy; but it will support you in the weariness that you have taken upon yourself. For this is the Ring of Fire, and with it you may rekindle hearts in a world that grows chill."' - Círdan the Shipwright."

This may have been what kept him going despite his confined form.

He also wield Glamdring, a legendary sword which lights up when enemies (Orcs and Balrogs has been shown, but a limitation has not been stated) are near. This sword was the one Turgon wield in the first age. It does not have any special abilities menchoned beyond this. Furthermore he has shown to be a good wielder of this sword.

In his unconfined form he can go into the form of a spirit if he pleases, or the take shape of an elf and probably also the shape of whatever he may will (this power has not shown any limitation yet).

In short - Gandalf is not just immortal - he cannot be killed in the normal meaning of the word - he can probably let himself die (as did Melian) but then he would not truly perish, only got to the halls of Mandos from where he again can come back to the world (such as Glorfindel). He can take the form of the spirit and has power as one strongest of the Maiar.