Sol Badguy (Guilty Gear) vs. Sephiroth (KH, AC, and FF)

[Alty-Kun]

Durr, I can't decide, someone help me.

If you guys are unlazy enough, it'd be cool if you'd also talk about all forms of Sephiroth (KH and AC as well as FF forms) compared against all forms of Sol as well. Just wanna see what the more intelligent Battledome people can dig up for me.

I want to straight up just say Sol wins this, but given that it's been said GG canon's Raven was able to withstand one of Sol's strongest fire attacks unscathed, something tells me Sephie-man can just equip a Fire Ring or something. X____X

[escamoh]

What powers/abilities does this Sol guy have?

[Zouri]

What powers/abilities does this Sol guy have?

Well, Sol is a Gear (a type of robot to put it simply) who holds a legendary sword known as the FireSeal. He has fire type abilities and uses the sword to boost said powers. Lastly, and this is key, his real name is Frederick. That alone takes away some of his badass-ness.

Anyway, I see the One Winged Angel pulling the victory out from under Sol's feet. Sephiroth has faced far worse in FF/AC, and his abilities are unmatched. He calls down meteors and wields magic as if it is nothing. His sword is the legendary Masamune, which has been shown to easily hold up against Cloud's behemoth of a sword. What's more, he is an excellent athlete to go along with all of his magical prowess.

KH Sephiroth isn't as strong but can take Sol down all the same. His moves are all the same as his FF/AC counterpart, but only scaled down.

To put it simply, there is a reason why Sephiroth is well known among the FF community. He is pretty much unmatched by everyone in the FF series, including his own.

Sol puts up a good fight, but it won't even be close.

[Dante]

What powers/abilities does this Sol guy have?

Well, Sol is a Gear (a type of robot to put it simply) who holds a legendary sword known as the FireSeal. He has fire type abilities and uses the sword to boost said powers. Lastly, and this is key, his real name is Frederick. That alone takes away some of his badass-ness.
Firstly, a gear isn't any kind of Robot (altough gears oftenly wield robotic parts) a gear is a bioweapon that combines human, animal and sometimes mechanic parts fused by the power of magic.

That being said, Sol is a prototype gear, in fact the first and provabely most powerful one ever.
He has innate abilityes concerning the manipulation of fire, great strenght and durability.
He wields the Fuuenken or fire seal, a lengendary magic sword wich gives the user the ability to manipulate fire, knowing that, Sol stole it to further improve his pyrokinetic abilityes, and it gave result, making him able to now produce flames at temperatures nearing that of the sun.

Sol wields a "gear limiter" a device that makes him able to keep in check with his human nature and GREATELY decreases his strenght, Sol's true gear form has never been revealed (albeit GG's last secuence in wich we get a "glimpse" of it and order Sol's Tyrant rave overdrive in wich Sol is showed having dragon-like wings) also, in his "dragon install" overdrive he removes part of the limiter and it makes him incredibly fast and strong for a little period of time.
Lastly, teh name Frederick doesn't suck, it would have been worse if he was named Joey :notrust

Concerning the battle, I'll say what I do in most Sol vs anyone battle, Seph would possibly take the upper hand against limited Sol, but as we don't know the full extent of Sol's own strenght is nearly impossible to debate this further :(

[Zouri]

Firstly, a gear isn't any kind of Robot (altough gears oftenly wield robotic parts) a gear is a bioweapon that combines human, animal and sometimes mechanic parts fused by the power of magic.

Well, I'm not perfect on the story so sorry about that. They are still too robot like for me not to consider them robots though. (What with Commander type gears controlling regular gears)


That being said, Sol is a prototype gear, in fact the first and provabely most powerful one ever.
He has innate abilityes concerning the manipulation of fire, great strenght and durability.
He wields the Fuuenken or fire seal, a lengendary magic sword wich gives the user the ability to manipulate fire, knowing that, Sol stole it to further improve his pyrokinetic abilityes, and it gave result, making him able to now produce flames at temperatures nearing that of the sun.

Sol wields a "gear limiter" a device that makes him able to keep in check with his human nature and GREATELY decreases his strenght, Sol's true gear form has never been revealed (albeit GG's last secuence in wich we get a "glimpse" of it and order Sol's Tyrant rave overdrive in wich Sol is showed having dragon-like wings) also, in his "dragon install" overdrive he removes part of the limiter and it makes him incredibly fast and strong for a little period of time.


First off, where did you get that Sol's flames are near the sun? There is no way that any of the characters can even get near Sol if he's spouting flames that strong. Plus, with certain events (explained below), I don't really see his flames at sun level.

While it is true that Sol is limited greatly, I still don't think of him as that strong. That Man easily knocked away Sol's best and Justice has beaten him, as well as Dizzy in certain endings. Sure they are all powerful, but none of them really screams Sephiroth's level from what I've seen. Then again, we haven't really seen much of That Man. Dizzy without gameplay restrictions would probably be much stronger too.

Also, Sol used the Dragon Install to fight I-NO and he barely beat her. That's impressive, but not enough for this battle.

Sorry though, but Holy Order Sol didn't really impress me much either. Sure he's stronger and sprouts wings at certain points, but it really doesn't do much for me. It just looks more flashy than stronger.



Lastly, teh name Frederick doesn't suck, it would have been worse if he was named Joey :notrust


I don't know about that one. I mean when what could be the greatest gear alive is called Frederick, I think that it's time for a name change. That's probably why he calls himself Sol Badguy now. :laugh



Concerning the battle, I'll say what I do in most Sol vs anyone battle, Seph would possibly take the upper hand against limited Sol, but as we don't know the full extent of Sol's own strenght is nearly impossible to debate this further :(

While you are really right that we can't judge, I still see Sol losing this battle. I just can't see Sol, even at full power, coming up to Sephiroth's level. Maybe the next game will change my mind.

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[konflikti]

There is hardly anything in gears that is robot-like. Only Justice looks robot and that is just her armor-thingee. Testament, Dizzy, Sol are all gears and don't look robot at all.

While it is true that Sol is limited greatly, I still don't think of him as that strong. That Man easily knocked away Sol's best and Justice has beaten him, as well as Dizzy in certain endings. Sure they are all powerful, but none of them really screams Sephiroth's level from what I've seen. Then again, we haven't really seen much of That Man. Dizzy without gameplay restrictions would probably be much stronger too.

Certain endings don't matter. Canon ones do. Sol beat Justice, Sol beat Dizzy. Though Dizzy is most likely more powerful than Sol if she goes batshit insane. We know nothing about That Man, so judging stuff with him is not a good way to go.

Also, Sol used the Dragon Install to fight I-NO and he barely beat her. That's impressive, but not enough for this battle.

I-NO is time travelling witch that prevented alternate reality. Besides game endings, we can't really gauge her strenght either. She seems to be immensely powerful though.

If I had to gauge base Sol versus AC Sephi, I'd say that with Dragon Install he comes pretty close if not equal.

Going by tier comparisons(GG cast > basic gears > armies), most of GG cast should be above modern armies.

[Zouri]

Not disagreeing or anything, just want to clear some things up.

There is hardly anything in gears that is robot-like. Only Justice looks robot and that is just her armor-thingee. Testament, Dizzy, Sol are all gears and don't look robot at all.

Yea, I understand now that they aren't robots. But that's just how I think of them. Also, the name Gear doesn't really help.


Certain endings don't matter. Canon ones do. Sol beat Justice, Sol beat Dizzy. Though Dizzy is most likely more powerful than Sol if she goes batshit insane. We know nothing about That Man, so judging stuff with him is not a good way to go.


While I have been wrong on some things so far, I'm pretty sure that Justice also beat Sol at one time. This was before the first tournament, if I remember correctly.


If I had to gauge base Sol versus AC Sephi, I'd say that with Dragon Install he comes pretty close if not equal.


Sorry but I'm still not seeing it. Dragon Install gives him a pretty big boost for sure but I don't think that really matches AC Sephiroth in terms of ability. His general speed might be around Seph's but I don't think he would have really matched him in the strength or durability category. Plus, once that runs out he's screwed.


Going by tier comparisons(GG cast > basic gears > armies), most of GG cast should be above modern armies.

True, but you've got to admit sometimes that can be hard to imagine.

[konflikti]

While I have been wrong on some things so far, I'm pretty sure that Justice also beat Sol at one time. This was before the first tournament, if I remember correctly.

I don't know when that could have happened. Justice fought Kliff multiple times to standstill, but I don't remember her fighting Sol before first tournament.

[Final Ultima]

Sorry but I'm still not seeing it. Dragon Install gives him a pretty big boost for sure but I don't think that really matches AC Sephiroth in terms of ability. His general speed might be around Seph's but I don't think he would have really matched him in the strength or durability category. Plus, once that runs out he's screwed.Strength wise, Sol easily overpowers giant Gears on a regular basis (hell, his punch can bounce enemies off a wall). Durability wise, Sol is bulletproof and has shrugged off stabs on more than one occasion.

True...the duration of Dragon Install is a problem, but then again he could always forego that and just take the damn limiter off.

While I have been wrong on some things so far, I'm pretty sure that Justice also beat Sol at one time. This was before the first tournament, if I remember correctly.Justice beat him to the extent that his limiter fell off, and upon noticing the mark on his head and realising that Sol is a Gear, she tried to control him. However, an unaffected Sol struck her, then the Sacred Knights of the Holy Order sealed her away until the first Sacred Knights tournament.

http://z13.invisionfree.com/Holy_Zen/index.php?showtopic=631&view=findpost&p=791360

This topic sums up Sol's feats pretty well.

In regards to the result of Sol vs Sephiroth, which form or version of each are we talking about here?

[konflikti]

Justice beat him to the extent that his limiter fell off, and upon noticing the mark on his head and realising that Sol is a Gear, she tried to control him. However, an unaffected Sol struck her, then the Sacred Knights of the Holy Order sealed her away until the first Sacred Knights tournament.

Damn, when did this happen? Before the actual games, or in the first game? I think I gots some mess in my timelines.

[Final Ultima]

Before the first game, hence why I said "until the first Sacred Knights tournament". Justice's Story Mode path in GGXX shows it all reasonably clearly.

[Hangatýr]

Even though Justice is a bitch to unlock.

[Final Ultima]

Not at all, completing 50 missions or completing all other Story Mode paths? Cake.

[Hangatýr]

Not at all, completing 50 missions or completing all other Story Mode paths? Cake.
Wasn't it 80 missions and level 600 of Survival?

[konflikti]

Story modes is the easiest way if you ain't pro-gosu to begin with. Never bothered with Justice story mode though.

[Final Ultima]

Wasn't it 80 missions and level 600 of Survival?Nope, you're thinking of SP characters. To unlock Kliff and Justice, you need to either complete 50 missions, defeat them at Level 440 and 460 in Survival Mode respectively, or just clear all of everyone's Story Mode paths.

If you won't take it from someone who's completed 98/100 missions on the PS2 version, 100/100 missions on the PC version, gotten to Level 640 of Survival Mode without using EX characters, has cleared Arcade Mode with everyone and cleared all Story Mode paths, then take it from GameFAQs. XD

Anyway, back to the topic at hand, the matchup.

It depends on which form either is allowed, I'd say. I think it goes without saying that Sol without his Limiter would crush base Sephiroth, but similarly Sepher Sephiroth would anhilate base Sol.

Unfortunately, we know so little about Sol without his Limiter to really judge how much of a threat he is (albeit those scans on that page would suggest that he's seriously more powerful than the rest of the Guilty Gear cast), and Sephiroth hasn't shown his Bizarro and Sepher forms outside of gameplay, which also complicates matters.

[chaoserver]

Sol is a tank, I'd say about equal to soldier Sephiroth, but the other forms really outmatch him pretty badly.

[Trias]

Sol owns Sephi's soul.

[FrostXian]

Sephiroth would throw a fucking planet on Sol.
The end.

[Hangatýr]

When did Sephiroth ever have the power to raise planets?

[Gaara722]

I would say Sephiroth wins because in Kingdom Hearts series (havent played FFVII yet so dont know his abilities there) he has the Sin Harvest move which leaves you with 1 hp and no magic and he follows this up by teleporting behind you and slashing you till your a pile of chopped meat. Seph also has the Meteor attack which in FFVII I think it had the power to destroy the planet. Then there's his badass swordplay skills combined with his teleporting power and his ridiculously long sword that would destroy Sol in a heartbeat. Seph can also fly so I think Sephiroth would carcerate Sol without effort.

[Final Ultima]

Seph can also fly so I think Sephiroth would carcerate Sol without effort.Not that I'm arguing that Sol would beat the likes of Sepher Sephiroth or anything, but his true Gear form does have wings, you know. I imagine he can fly as well.

[Gaara722]

Not that I'm arguing that Sol would beat the likes of Sepher Sephiroth or anything, but his true Gear form does have wings, you know. I imagine he can fly as well.ah. didnt know that. Nevertheless, Seph would win easy.