Superpowers Collide

[escamoh]

Alright I got this idea from Shika Shika Boo in the "Konoha destruction?" thread.

This is a fight between very pissed off Hulk, Classic Juggernaut, Superman (post-crisis), Alucard max power, and Goku at the end of DBZ.

This takes place in a neutral universe.

No planet destroying allowed.

Characters are all out to kill each other. (If I need to put restrictions on some characters, tell me so I can make it fair)

Here are links to the characters powers (scroll down until you see the section that says powers and abilities)

Hulk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulk_%28comics%29

Juggernaut: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggernaut_%28comics%29

Alucard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alucard_%28Hellsing%29

Superman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman

Goku: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goku

[Hangatýr]

Which version of each are you using?

[escamoh]

Well I wanted to make it relatively even and fair...

Superman: Post Crisis

Juggernaut: Classic

Hulk: Not sure about this one...I guess the current one

Alucard: Manga version (If that's too powerful, I'll change it)

Goku: End of DBZ

[Comic Book Guy]

Out to kill each other?

First thing that comes to my mind, being a comic book guy, Superman goes for a sun-dip.

[Endless Mike]

Juggernaut wins.

He may be too slow to take most of them out, but he can outlast them until the rest of them kill each other, and there's nothing they can really do to hurt him.

[escamoh]

How much does a sun-dip increase Supes' power?

[Kuya]

Goku at the end of DBZ wins. How can Juggernaught face him?

[Endless Mike]

Goku at the end of DBZ wins. How can Juggernaught face him?

By being completely immune to all of his attacks?

[Phenomenol]

Goku can teleport juggs to the sun! Juggs looses!

[escamoh]

Goku can teleport juggs to the sun! Juggs looses!

What about everyone else?

And I was wondering how Alucard would do in this fight...he's supposed to be pretty damn strong according to some people on these forums...

[Phenomenol]

Goku will beat Juggs, and Supes will beat Hulk, and Goku will easily take care of Alucrad!

As always it will come down to Supes and Goku!

[Endless Mike]

Juggernaut can walk forward even against a gravitational field and with no surface to walk on.

He would just walk out of the sun.

Not to mention that if Goku tried to teleport to the inside of the sun he would be burned to a crisp (and there's no evidence he can teleport inside of anything thicker than air anyway), and if he tried to teleport him near the sun he would be killed by its radiation.

[superbatman86]

Juggernaut can walk forward even against a gravitational field and with no surface to walk on.

He would just walk out of the sun.

Not to mention that if Goku tried to teleport to the inside of the sun he would be burned to a crisp (and there's no evidence he can teleport inside of anything thicker than air anyway), and if he tried to teleport him near the sun he would be killed by its radiation.This is true.So instead of that Goku Teleports behind him and throws him followed by blasting into space where it take him a millenia to get back to earth.Hulk and Alucard are both quikly taken care of leaving once again Superman vs. Goku which could go either way but I'm inclined to say Goku would win.

[Endless Mike]

It's possible to physically deflect a DBZ ki blast, so why couldn't Juggernaut do this, then fall back to earth?

[Phenomenol]

It's possible to physically deflect a DBZ ki blast, so why couldn't Juggernaut do this, then fall back to earth?

No it is not possible to deflect a Ki blast! Only if you have strong Spirit! Ki is spirit.

Not to mention that if Goku tried to teleport to the inside of the sun he would be burned to a crisp

You are stupid. Goku has been inside the Magical Furnice of Hell and fought the Magical dragon that was six thousand degrees hotter than the entire sun! do not feed me this garbage you do not know what the hell you ae talking about once again.

Looks like you need to go post someone else's opinion from another forum AGAIN!

[konflikti]

Since when has Goku teleported to places with no ki signatures?

Goku cannot move Juggs. He cannot throw him. No. Way. Even Supes and Hulk would have hell of a time trying to do that.

[Endless Mike]

1. That was never stated. It is likely just physical strength. Besides, the androids were able to deflect them, and they had no ki, so your theory is shot down.

2. That furnace didn't have anywhere near the energy of the sun, because if it did, it would burn the earth to a crisp. Just because something is hotter doesn't mean it has more energy. Not to mention the pressure at the center of the sun is several billion earth atmospheres.

3. GT is not canon, not to mention it was never stated if they meant the surface or the core of the sun, and temperature is less important than energy.

[Phenomenol]

1. That was never stated. It is likely just physical strength. Besides, the androids were able to deflect them, and they had no ki, so your theory is shot down.

Dumb fool, ki is spirit in DBZ, and how do you know it was not stated because it was, once again prooves you know nothing. You are right about the androids and the Ki! At least you got something right!:P

2. That furnace didn't have anywhere near the energy of the sun, because if it did, it would burn the earth to a crisp. Just because something is hotter doesn't mean it has more energy. Not to mention the pressure at the center of the sun is several billion earth atmospheres.

Go do reseach right now! I am tired of your ignorance of Dragonball yet you speak as if you know! You know nothing you proove it with every other post.

3. GT is not canon, not to mention it was never stated if they meant the surface or the core of the sun, and temperature is less important than energy.

This is anime/manga quit bitching and nitpicking! The Dragon stated that he was more powerful than the entire Sun. Nough said.:notrust

[konflikti]

Which part of "Goku at the end of DBZ" didn't you understand?

[Endless Mike]

Dumb fool, ki is spirit in DBZ, and how do you know it was not stated because it was, once again prooves you know nothing. You are right about the androids and the Ki! At least you got something right!

And you're going to actually get around to addressing my points.....when?

Go do reseach right now! I am tired of your ignorance of Dragonball yet you speak as if you know! You know nothing you proove it with every other post.

So simple application of science and logic is ignorance?

What color is the sky in the little world you live in?


This is anime/manga quit bitching and nitpicking! The Dragon stated that he was more powerful than the entire Sun. Nough said.

Yet he fought in a city and didn't even scorch it.:notrust

[Phenomenol]

And you're going to actually get around to addressing my points.....when?

You have none never did!

So simple application of science and logic is ignorance?

Yes in the anime and manga world! that is common Sense something you lack

Yet he fought in a city and didn't even scorch it.:notrust

Yet anime/manga is not going to use real life physics all the damn time common sense.

[Endless Mike]

You have none never did!

My point here is that the androids don't have ki, and can deflect ki blasts, so therefore ki is not required to deflect ki blasts.

Yes in the anime and manga world! that is common Sense something you lack

Yet you're trying to state that anything hotter than the sun is more dangerous than the sun. That makes no sense.

Yet anime/manga is not going to use real life physics all the damn time common sense

If it doesn't use real - life physics, then how do you know the sun in DBZ is as hot as the real - life sun?

If physics don't apply, the DBZ sun could have a temperature of below 0.

[Kuya]

umm this guys said Goku at the end of DBZ. this means Goku goes Super Saiyan 3. Are you really trying to say the Juggernaught can beat Goku at Super Saiyan 3?

[Endless Mike]

umm this guys said Goku at the end of DBZ. this means Goku goes Super Saiyan 3. Are you really trying to say the Juggernaught can beat Goku at Super Saiyan 3?

No, I'm saying Goku will be taken out by someone else (probably Superman) while Juggernaut can just stand there and not be harmed by anyone's attacks and emerg as the winner after the fighting is over.

[escamoh]

Does Alucard even have a chance in this?

[Hype]

Does Alucard even have a chance in this?


You would think so seeing as he seems unkillable

I would of thought Hulk's insane regen would of had more of a effect to

[superbatman86]

It's possible to physically deflect a DBZ ki blast, so why couldn't Juggernaut do this, then fall back to earth?Because it's done faster than he can think.Hell he could just teleport him to the after life and leave him there if he wanted.

[Cthulhu-versailles]

Alucard wins no discussion. People really don't understand Alucard is even more broken then Classic Jugs. Here let me summarize, Alucard is basically a morphed Classic Jugs, however much better.

Alucard is of the darkest and most powerful magic. His only weakeness was A Holy weapon Bless/forged by GOD that Anderson, the equally freakish holylike monstrousity was wileding. (Damn I should catch the ending of that fight) - Comparision about whose magic or whatever is more powerful could be made if you wanted, I guess, however it's kind of pointless. In the Hellsign verse they Operate on tradition Christian beliefs...

Alucard's Regen/healing is as broken as they come. Alucard could be atomized and just come back. It doesn't even matter. He comes back. it's true he's yet to be atomized, and there is an explanation of his immortality, but, the Anderson fight more or less dissaproved those previous assumations. Alucard is immortal and unkillable without some God Forged Blessed Holy Weapon. Period.

Alucard's Speed and Speed Perception is relatively high. It's nothing like some insane speed star, and I'm not about to state some number, however it's easily good. At the very lowest in the high dual mach's. For instances, Magic Bullet was a joke against him. Anyway, that in itself is not why speedwise he's good, but rather because of the other abilties he has to compliment it.
I.e Can read minds, can manipulate minds, can create illusions and use hypnosis, can use and manipulate shadows, can teleport, can engulf whole areas, can morph, can do pass through objects...

Laslty, and most importantly, Alucard can devour people's souls and have them fight for him. Alucard coudl easily take Hulk, Superman and Goku as his Victims. No Seriously. Superman is not even a challenge. Superman's speed is his only saving grace, but if he starts in to attack wildly, it will be like when he got wrapped up against Nightshade all over again. This of course assuming Alucard doesn't decide to pwn him with mind manipulations or something.

So yeah, you'd think Alucard and Juggernaut are then in an indefinite draw. However, once the Helmet comes off, guess what Jugs is susceptible to.:)
If that doesn't float your boat, there is a debate in whether Alucard can Devour Juggernaut's soul, and or feed off Cythorak or something. That Debate is pointless though. So lastly, Alucard could use the good old let HUlk get mad for several years strategy, while he's one of his souls, to the point where Hulk reaches War Hulk level. He could also go let Superman Sundip for whatever retarded number of years and come back. Alucard wins, NO DISCUSSION.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

dude, using end of dbz goku would be an over kill.
End of DBZ goku >>> Superman prime.
anyways:-
1- Goku.
2- Alucard.
3- juggernaut.
4- superman.

[Endless Mike]

End of DBZ goku >>> Superman prime.


LOL:laugh smile-big :P

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

ohh and i finally found evidense that dbz >>>>>>>> speed of light so here goes:-
1- in DRAGONBALL when piccolo was first introduced, krillen stated that goku was at light speed.
2- also in DBZ piccolo stated that raditz was faster than light speed after he dodged the special beam canon. watch episode 3.

so at 300(powerlevel) goku was a bit faster than light speed
and base goku at the majin buu saga was 3000000
so you do the maths and then you get that at the majin buu saga, base goku was TENTHOUSAND times the speed of light. Yes speed does depend on power level. satisfied? not even dark schneider can compete with DBZ speeds.

some people say " why does it take dbz characters so long to get somewhere?" well the events are happening at dbz time and not our time so maybe one second here is 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000001 seconds in DBZ verse.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

LOL:laugh smile-big :P
Its true dude just accept it. or are you a dbz hater?.

[Endless Mike]

ohh and i finally found evidense that dbz >>>>>>>> speed of light so here goes:-
1- in DRAGONBALL when piccolo was first introduced, krillen stated that goku was at light speed.

Show a scan, because that never happened.

2- also in DBZ piccolo stated that raditz was faster than light speed after he dodged the special beam canon. watch episode 3.

Dub error. Didn't exist in the original version.

so at 300(powerlevel) goku was a bit faster than light speed
and base goku at the majin buu saga was 3000000

Bullshit. No power levels were published after the Freiza saga. Any power levels you see from after that are just speculation.

so you do the maths and then you get that at the majin buu saga, base goku was TENTHOUSAND times the speed of light. Yes speed does depend on power level. satisfied? not even dark schneider can compete with DBZ speeds.

Again, bullshit. Your evidence is fabricated or the result of translation errors.

some people say " why does it take dbz characters so long to get somewhere?" well the events are happening at dbz time and not our time so maybe one second here is 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000001 seconds in DBZ verse.

If that was true, everything would be frozen as they moved, but that's not what happens.

[Endless Mike]

Its true dude just accept it. or are you a dbz hater?.

No, because it isn't true. It's bullshit.

Superman Prime could just destroy all DBZ characters together by just thinking about it. They never showed anything that could challenge him.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

You can use a word other than bullshit cz you are insulting my opinion now.
BTW you are exaggerating alot here. Majin Buu alone can take out supes.

[Endless Mike]

Majin Buu might have a chance against Post - Crisis Superman.

Any stronger version would beat him easily.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

Care to elaborate?. werent you the one who told me to have evidence when i joined the forums?.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

Show a scan, because that never happened.



Dub error. Didn't exist in the original version.


Bullshit. No power levels were published after the Freiza saga. Any power levels you see from after that are just speculation.



Again, bullshit. Your evidence is fabricated or the result of translation errors.



If that was true, everything would be frozen as they moved, but that's not what happens.
1-It did happen. you are not a DB encyclopedia man.
2-Even if you think the dub was wrong, lots of people disagree with you. anyways the anime said it so now its official.
3-you should be gratefull i said 3000000 instead of 99999999999999999999999.
4-Its just an anime, you cant expect every thing to happen as you like. or are you a physics genius?. Anyways DBZ time is not the same as ours.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

in other words, my evidence is true. why cant you accept it dude you really do hate DBZ.

[Endless Mike]

1-It did happen. you are not a DB encyclopedia man.
2-Even if you think the dub was wrong, lots of people disagree with you. anyways the anime said it so now its official.
3-you should be gratefull i said 3000000 instead of 99999999999999999999999.
4-Its just an anime, you cant expect every thing to happen as you like. or are you a physics genius?. Anyways DBZ time is not the same as ours.

1. When did it happen? Show a scan, because I've never heard that before, and I've seen and read the manga of that part.

2. Dub errors are not official! The dub also said that instant transmission was only as fast as light, what possible use would it have if characters way back at the beginning of DBZ were already faster than light? The dub made a mistake, that was never in the original version.

3. So in other words, you're just pulling numbers out of your ass. Gotcha.

4. So in other words, you have no evidence and are just making crap up.

[Endless Mike]

in other words, my evidence is true. why cant you accept it dude you really do hate DBZ.

If I say Wolverine can't beat the Hulk, that doesn't make me a Wolverine hater or a Hulk fanboy.

I'm just stating the truth.

Honestly, you are making up crap with no evidence or proof.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

Sigh.................
its pointless to argue with you. Im leaving the thread.
PS: check every DBZ website, they all say 3000000. so you are the one pulling things from your ass. at least im posting proof, you're not.
PS2: your statements are crapier than my proof ( which is not crap at all ).

[Endless Mike]

You have posted no such thing!

No official power levels were published after the Frieza saga.

Anything after that is just fan speculation.

The fact that many different fans copied the speculations of other fans doesn't suddenly make it canon.

There are tons of Naruto fans that think Yondaime is the Akatsuki leader, does that suddenly make it a canon fact?

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

Dude hust give up. Majority wins, just go to other logical non-fanboy forums (not the ones with fanboys like a forum i saw on yahoo, it was terrible) and see for yourself. Super hero hype is not bad (it has many fanboys but it also has logical ppl).

[Endless Mike]

You preach logic but then say "Majority wins?"

You do realize that you are claiming to be logical, but just comitted a logical fallacy?

You have to actually make your own arguments, not just say "Well a bunch of people agree with me so I must be right."

A few hundred years ago most people thought slavery was okay, does that make it okay?

[Fenix]

You preach logic but then say "Majority wins?"

You do realize that you are claiming to be logical, but just comitted a logical fallacy?

You have to actually make your own arguments, not just say "Well a bunch of people agree with me so I must be right."

A few hundred years ago most people thought slavery was okay, does that make it okay?

For someone who actually believes bankai Ichigo is slower than an Olympic runner, you sure like to nitpick on others.

[Endless Mike]

WTF are you talking about?

He's making ridiculous, unsubstantiated claims, then using logical fallacies to back them up, and not even attempting to argue.