One Piece vs. Naruto

[Masaki]

N: If you are a ninja, you can kick ass. If you kick ass, you are a ninja.
OP: If you have a devil's fruit, you can kick ass. If you kick ass, it doesn't necessarily mean you have a devil's fruit.

N: Most creative techniques (in anime, I don't follow manga): Bones, Siamese (sp) Twins, Rasengan
OP: Moderately creative techniques (again, anime): All of Santoryuu (Did anyone else almost crack up when they see a swordsman with a sword in his mouth?), a body made of genuine rubber (not just stretchy), Dooru Dooru Fruit

N: Fillers suck.
OP: Fillers are good.

N: Naruto thinks with Rasengan and Kage Bunshin.
OP: Luffy thinks with his heart.

N: No fanservice for the lesser characters. The six members who went along to find Sasuke, Sasuke, and Shino are the only characters ever given attention. I sometimes think the story revolves more around Rock Lee than Naruto because of his overusage. Jounins are always conviently on missions even though they seem to slack off with their favorite students all the time. How many females have actual roles? How did a Legendary Sannin lose to someone "as strong as Kakashi", who is then beaten by Naruto?
OP: Every character has their purpose. Nami and Usopp have defeated enemies, and I was quite surprised when Oda decided to have Wiper be the one to kill Shura. The rest of the matchups in Upper Yard were quite interesting, too, like Chopper vs Gedatsu.

[Suzumebachi]

N: If you are a ninja, you can kick ass. If you kick ass, you are a ninja.
OP: If you have a devil's fruit, you can kick ass. If you kick ass, it doesn't necessarily mean you have a devil's fruit.


I LOVE that aspect of One Piece. In Naruto, only the ninja are strong and can fight. But One Piece, EVREYONE super strong and fights. The doctors and carpenters and marines and cooks and archeologists and civilians and ect. Its great knowing that anyone walking down the street could potentially kick the main characters asses.

[Delta Shell]

In my opinion One Piece IS the best Shonen manga at the moment. To me it has the best storytelling.

[Unrequited Silence]

Yea I love how civilans all fight.Great Stuff

[Dr. Hiluruk]

this really does point out big pwnage points....

yer very smart.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Agree on everything except fillers.

One Piece's fillers are even crappier then Naruto's. But thankfully there's a lot less of them. I swear to God though, the Apis arc may be the dumbest 7 episodes I've ever sat through. 2 episodes they literally did nothing('hey we need to go to this island', 'no wait the island we were at first was the right one').

But otherwise, yes, One Piece kicks Naruto's ass. Its the best series ever. I love how everyone gets development(as you pointed out, Wiper gets a lot of screentime in Skypiea).

[Molekage]

another thing that pwns naruto: relatively consistant power levels. in naruto, how the hell did people like iruka and tony the tiger become chuunin anyway? why are anbu meat shields when they are supposed to be all uber? any why can a guy die from a simple kunai when others can get smashed into rock walls (naruto sasuke fight)

but in one piece, pirates on the grand line seem to be a lot tougher than pirates in east blue, marines are always humans, the crew gets stronger for visable reasons, etc. one piece is so much better about keeping power levels straight.

[Masaki]

Agree on everything except fillers.

One Piece's fillers are even crappier then Naruto's. But thankfully there's a lot less of them. I swear to God though, the Apis arc may be the dumbest 7 episodes I've ever sat through. 2 episodes they literally did nothing('hey we need to go to this island', 'no wait the island we were at first was the right one').

But otherwise, yes, One Piece kicks Naruto's ass. Its the best series ever. I love how everyone gets development(as you pointed out, Wiper gets a lot of screentime in Skypiea).

Have you seen G8 yet?

[Tsuuga]

Agree on everything except fillers.

One Piece's fillers are even crappier then Naruto's. But thankfully there's a lot less of them. I swear to God though, the Apis arc may be the dumbest 7 episodes I've ever sat through. 2 episodes they literally did nothing('hey we need to go to this island', 'no wait the island we were at first was the right one').

But otherwise, yes, One Piece kicks Naruto's ass. Its the best series ever. I love how everyone gets development(as you pointed out, Wiper gets a lot of screentime in Skypiea).

Apis is one filler arc. The other ones that I've watched, though, are awesome (G8 kicks all of Naruto's fillers into the ground).

Also, yeah, this thread is correct. I used to think that it was just because One Piece is a longer anime, but Naruto (manga and anime but not fillers) lost that fresh aprk to me even a while ago. One Piece always feels fresh (anime and manga), and continues to get better and better.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I haven't seen G8 or Lost Memories yet, but even if those are good, its not just Apis.

The Arabasta fillers(Scorpion, Sand Pirates, fake rebels) sucked. The Nami, Usopp and Sanj individual post Arabasta fillers sucked. The Goat Island arc was horrendous.

And Rainbow Mist made me seriously contemplate killinig myself.

Naruto has had a couple of good filler arcs too(Bikouchuu and the Noroimusha one).

The Law of Averages comes into play eventually. I still say overall One Piece's fillers have been much worse then Naruto's.

[Molekage]

also, i think OP's humor is generally witty and fresh, but naruto humor seems overdone. in OP, humor is mostly WTF humor, but naruto humor plays on character cliches and relatively unfunny situations (case in point, kiba and the fart)

[Masaki]

I haven't seen G8 or Lost Memories yet, but even if those are good, its not just Apis.

The Arabasta fillers(Scorpion, Sand Pirates, fake rebels) sucked. The Nami, Usopp and Sanj individual post Arabasta fillers sucked. The Goat Island arc was horrendous.

And Rainbow Mist made me seriously contemplate killinig myself.

Naruto has had a couple of good filler arcs too(Bikouchuu and the Noroimusha one).

The Law of Averages comes into play eventually. I still say overall One Piece's fillers have been much worse then Naruto's.

Watch them.

I didn't even realize they were fillers for a while.

Nami's sucked. Usopp's and Zoro's were good.

Goat Isle and Rainbow Mist, agreed (all that I liked was just the moment of Lapunai's reappearance, but that didn't save it)

Bikouchuu was alright. Noroimusha was the first of the filler arcs that I give -1 stars to. Out of 100. I mean, why call ninjas when you apparently don't want them around?

also, i think OP's humor is generally witty and fresh, but naruto humor seems overdone. in OP, humor is mostly WTF humor, but naruto humor plays on character cliches and relatively unfunny situations (case in point, kiba and the fart)

Yes.

Though I can't seem to think of how to say it. It's been so long since I've seen any Naruto canon, English version aside.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I agree on One Piece's humor. One Piece is so freaking great because it can use the humor in the most serious of situations and it doesn't seem weird at all. Normally humor only comes in downtime, and when they try to use it in serious scenes it doesn't work.

But in One Piece you can have the characters looking for the bomb in Alubarna, while Usopp pwns people with "Usopp Noise" and Zoro gets lost in a jungle. Its great how the humor flows effortlessly with the serious stuff, rather then seeming tacked on.

[Countach]

luffy is just to funny, OP pwns, but im 50/50 between the two

[Molekage]

the latest naruto manga stuff also makes naruto much weaker than one piece. good gravy, how uncreative is sasuke's chidori sword and variations of chidori jutsu, especially after all of naruto's kage bunshin + rasengan redundant combos. asura zoro and fire feet sanji are SOOO much more creative

[Aman]

I agree on all your points except the part about the fillers, I may be biased against fillers, but I don't really like them at all. :laugh Maybe G8 would've been better without the awful subs, I don't know.

And I loved the two latest Naruto chapters, can't really say which one I like the most between OP and Naruto.

[Grrblt]

N: If you are a ninja, you can kick ass. If you kick ass, you are a ninja.
OP: If you have a devil's fruit, you can kick ass. If you kick ass, it doesn't necessarily mean you have a devil's fruit.
N: If you have a bloodline limit, you can kick ass. If you kick ass, it doesn't necessarily mean you have a bloodline limit.

-OR-

OP: If you are a pirate, you can kick ass. If you kick ass, you are a pirate.

Basically.

[Hitomi_No_Ryu]

OP fillers might have had their flaws but remember...they're better then Naruto fillers...(then again ANY filler from ANY another anime is better then Naruto fillers!!)

At least most of the OP's mistakes gave us a laugh if anything.

during the last episodes of the Water 7 Arc, the anime was relatively getting close to the current manga chapter. While they managed to avoid major disaster by going on vacation due to baseball season, there were still some scenes the anime staff assumed happened and found out they were wrong later on. They assumed Zoro fell into the water due to little splash they saw in manga but it was later shown that Zoro was really stuck in a chimney! What did the anime staff do...? They shoved our fav swordman down that chimney with no use of a plot device and then advertised their stupid mistake through witty comments between characters!! AWESOME!!

[Ai_Kotobuki]

i also like the aspect that the mugiwara tend to get stronger on their own progressively, theres no necessary wastage on training, which i find unique. others it'll always be 'i lost, i have to train some more, i need a stronger teacher, i need more time to be better'.

luffy is what puts this down, which makes me think either hes getting stronger all the time with no training or hes always been so damn strong from the beginning, just that a few mistakes have cost him and made the fights all the more exciting. and hes done all of this without the aid of someone teaching him something new, just lets the story progress and not dawdle with having characters learn something from someone better and use that to assist.

well this has gone on long enough, break time ^^

[Kisame Samurai]

Yes, good job. You pointed out all of the points that kicks Naruto's ass. (especially the first one)

[Masaki]

-Made a mistake-


OP: If you are a pirate, you can kick ass. If you kick ass, you are a pirate.


Wrong. Marines, carpenters, bounty hunters, Royal Guards, syndicate members, and Skypeian warriors kick a lot of ass.

[Continuity]

Honestly, I think Oda is a better or maybe just more experienced writer than Kishimoto... but I don't think we can really say a series is just plain better. They would appeal to different people that have had different experiences and viewpoints, like anything in life.

While I think One Piece is more coherant and basically a masterpiece, Naruto still holds a special place in my heart, which is why I like both pretty much equally. I may just be saying this from my point of view though, and everyone else has their own.

I tend to think that everything someone does can shape them, and that experiencing as much as possible in a lifetime can lead to enlightenment or rather experiencing a fuller range of human thought. While I believe Naruto isn't as refined as One Piece, I still believe that reading/watching it is worthwhile experience.

[pavister]

Wrong. The main character doesn't have a bloodline limit. Neither do Gaara or Rock Lee.



Wrong. Marines, carpenters, bounty hunters, Royal Guards, syndicate members, and Skypeian warriors kick a lot of ass.

actually they were rite. they said "stuff...if u kick ass, it doesnt mean u have a bloodline"
which is what u just gave examples for

the 2nd part is true thou of what u said


anyways, i think naruto has alot better art quality but OP has a better plot (/less plot no jutsus/plotholes)

[Masaki]

actually they were rite. they said "stuff...if u kick ass, it doesnt mean u have a bloodline"
which is what u just gave examples for

the 2nd part is true thou of what u said


anyways, i think naruto has alot better art quality but OP has a better plot (/less plot no jutsus/plotholes)

Whoops, misread it.

[Molekage]

naruto's art is overrated. one piece's quality isn't any worse, its just different.

[Moridin]

well i have to disagree with the naruto thinking with rasgengan + kb whereas luffy thinks with his heart. Naruto thinks quite regularly with his heart if you ask me :/

for me one of the things that sets one piece above naruto is that characters don't just become background objects, take Jon Giant for example. We see him early on giving a speech about justice and he seems to dissapear only to re-appear now seemingly involved with the BC.

[yangxu]

N: tries to make certain events sad, but fails to convey that emotional impact effectively (eg. Sarutobi's death, Lee's injury).
OP: easily brings tears down your cheek (eg. Nami's past, Chopper's past, etc)

[Toffeeman]

I agree that One Piece anime > Naruto anime, though I think that I enjoy the mangas equally.

[Kisame Samurai]

I really don't like the One piece dub anime. In fact, I hate all dub animes. But I hate this one especially because of the voices. Chopper is voiced by a girl, Luffy is voiced by someone who hasn't broken their voice yet, Sanji sounds like a guy who's high, Zolo sounds real rough, Nami sounds like a loud-mouth and finally Usopp sounds like a teenager who's going through puberty.

[Molekage]

oh boy don't even get us started with the "One Piece" dub...

another thing with sadness in naruto... is its always "hes the same as me." how many naruto or haku wannabes are there... geez.

[crazymtf]

Agree on everything except fillers.

One Piece's fillers are even crappier then Naruto's. But thankfully there's a lot less of them. I swear to God though, the Apis arc may be the dumbest 7 episodes I've ever sat through. 2 episodes they literally did nothing('hey we need to go to this island', 'no wait the island we were at first was the right one').

But otherwise, yes, One Piece kicks Naruto's ass. Its the best series ever. I love how everyone gets development(as you pointed out, Wiper gets a lot of screentime in Skypiea).

DO NOT MAKE ME MURDER YOU, NARUTO FILLERS ARE FUCKING GARBAGE! :mad :nuts

[Ryphan]

One Piece is never boring. Like ever. Also when Luffy gets serious, you get so excited. Something Naruto doesn't offer.

Thats why it wins.

[Delta Shell]

Like I said in the other thread One Piece has the ability to be funny at any time. Ever. Pasta Machine anyone?

Seriously who saw Kaku's Devil ability coming? It was ridiculously awesome.

Granted Naruto isn't that type of series, the humour wouldn't work well with serious battles but still..

[Amatsu]

Heh in Naruto the only way it's good is when everyone is running around being emo.

In One Piece it's good no matter what's going on. XD

[yangxu]

Oh yeah, one more thing worth mentioning...

One Piece's OP and ED themes >>>>>>>>>>>>> Naruto's...

[Molekage]

ditto to that. kokoro no chizu has got to be the best opening i've ever seen, and personally my favorite anime song ever

[yangxu]

Yeah, Kokoro no Chizu is so catchy, it's rare to have songs that can hold on to you just by listening to it once... Bon Voyage, Free Will, FAITH, and watashi ga iru yo are also good examples.

[yangxu]

Yeah, Kokoro no Chizu is so catchy, it's rare to have songs that can hold on to you just by listening to it once... Bon Voyage, Free Will, FAITH, and watashi ga iru yo are also good examples.

[Masaki]

Plus, the themes can relate to the anime, and were written for the anime but don't describe it word for word like English shows.

[Kisame Samurai]

The dub opening to OP isn't that great. It's a rap......for crying out loud. And it's not even sync good. They try to shove the new crew members at the end of the song. Usually it's like "Sanji's cooking for the would-be king" Which changes to "Sanji's cooking, Chopper's docterin'!"

[Molekage]

the new opening is really awesome as well. i love the bike riding part at the beginning. it definately captures one piece's zaniness.

but i'll give some brownie points to naruto for the openings capturing the utter emo-ness of naruto

[Delta Shell]

What's awesome about the intro's is that they use the manga special manga double spreads that come out with certain chapters. The 70's kung fu one from a few intros ago is one of my favourite double spreads.

Also, with the new intro they actually animate those spreads, with the WWII and the Bike riding part.

What I also love is how in the manga we get chapter cover page mini sagas, so we can see what happened to certain enemies/friends after we last saw them. With the latest one being about Boroques works.

[Ai_Kotobuki]

also the art style is so unique yet simple, so anything they throw in can't truly be named a 'poorly drawn OP scene', even if there was such an existing topic, it wouldnt go for more than 121 pages like naruto's

[Delta Shell]

THere are times where certain characters are drawn badly though. Where it isn't just a stylistic thing.

[Fighting Spirit]

The main thing why I like Naruto more is that in Naruto when it's supposed to be "serious moments" it's realistic while in OP it's just corny :/. But other than that OP is KICKASS!

[yangxu]

Corny? Can you expand on that a bit?

[Tsuuga]

I used to think that too but the intensity and seriousness of Luffy vs. Crocodile outweighed any scene in Naruto for me.

[crazymtf]

The main thing why I like Naruto more is that in Naruto when it's supposed to be "serious moments" it's realistic while in OP it's just corny :/. But other than that OP is KICKASS!
I thought lee vs garaa was corny flashbacks, maybe we think serious sceans are funny :P

[Suzumebachi]

There is ONE thing Naruto does better than One Piece...

PLOTHOLES PLOTHOLES PLOTHOLES!

[Virtua_Fighter]

i find it is rather a bit strange that a lot of member in this forum would prefer one piece over naruto since this is a naruto forum. but i am a hypocrite, bc HxH is my favorite :)

[Masaki]

There is ONE thing Naruto does better than One Piece...

PLOTHOLES PLOTHOLES PLOTHOLES!

As of right now, I can't think of any canon plotholes, other than Naruto > Kabuto > Tsunade; Naruto > Kabuto, Kabuto = Kakashi; Kakashi > Naruto

[elektroniks]

As of right now, I can't think of any canon plotholes, other than Naruto > Kabuto > Tsunade; Naruto > Kabuto, Kabuto = Kakashi; Kakashi > Naruto

I'm a Naruto fan so I'll try to explain it from what I understand
Kabuto>Tsunade
My reason for Kabuto winning is
Kabuto= Kakashi
And Kakashi on soldier pills will give anyone a hard time, also kabuto had to use Tsunade's fear of blood which basically paralyzed her so with those combined Kabuto was winning
And for Naruto>Kabuto
This isn't true. The only way naruto got Kabuto was by luck because Kabuto tried to strike Tsunade but Naruto was there to take the attack and trap Kabuto and hit him with a Rasengan. So if it was 1on1 Kabuto would've won
Tsunade>Naruto
duh

This is another reason why I watch Naruto, because the stronger character doesn't always win, and the situations and technicalities come into effect,

Also when someone mentioned they thought the story revolved around Rock Lee more than Naruto.
I just think that is a good quality because it shows that the show isn't all about Naruto( though the majority is) but includes basically everyone they encounter and goes into kind of a backstory for them.

[Amatsu]

I'm a Naruto fan so I'll try to explain it from what I understand
Kabuto>Tsunade
My reason for Kabuto winning is
Kabuto= Kakashi
And Kakashi on soldier pills will give anyone a hard time, also kabuto had to use Tsunade's fear of blood which basically paralyzed her so with those combined Kabuto was winning
And for Naruto>Kabuto
This isn't true. The only way naruto got Kabuto was by luck because Kabuto tried to strike Tsunade but Naruto was there to take the attack and trap Kabuto and hit him with a Rasengan. So if it was 1on1 Kabuto would've won
Tsunade>Naruto
duh

This is another reason why I watch Naruto, because the stronger character doesn't always win, and the situations and technicalities come into effect,

Also when someone mentioned they thought the story revolved around Rock Lee more than Naruto.
I just think that is a good quality because it shows that the show isn't all about Naruto( though the majority is) but includes basically everyone they encounter and goes into kind of a backstory for them.

Too bad everyone soon disappears off the face of the earth once Saucekay shows up.

[Masaki]

I'm a Naruto fan so I'll try to explain it from what I understand
Kabuto>Tsunade
My reason for Kabuto winning is
Kabuto= Kakashi
And Kakashi on soldier pills will give anyone a hard time, also kabuto had to use Tsunade's fear of blood which basically paralyzed her so with those combined Kabuto was winning
And for Naruto>Kabuto
This isn't true. The only way naruto got Kabuto was by luck because Kabuto tried to strike Tsunade but Naruto was there to take the attack and trap Kabuto and hit him with a Rasengan. So if it was 1on1 Kabuto would've won
Tsunade>Naruto
duh


Then I guess I forgot. But, a Sannin who specializes in taijutsu and medicine should have had soldier pills of her own, not to mention that Kabuto doesn't specialize in taijutsu.

Edit: It seems I answered my own question. An unprepared Sannin = plothole.


This is another reason why I watch Naruto, because the stronger character doesn't always win, and the situations and technicalities come into effect,


Like Nami tying up Buggy's body parts, Usopp burning Chu, the fight against the Mr. 3 and Mr. 5 pairs, Nami trying to figure out how the Clima-tact works while fighting Miss Doublefinger, Vivi defeating the Mr. 7 pair with a boost from Nami, Usopp, Zoro, and Sanji, Luffy vs Crocodile, Chopper messing up Gedatsu's flight by taking off his shoe, a piece of Foxy's mirror ending up in Luffy's afro, and Sanji taking the knives from Wanze's kitchen?

Also when someone mentioned they thought the story revolved around Rock Lee more than Naruto.
I just think that is a good quality because it shows that the show isn't all about Naruto( though the majority is) but includes basically everyone they encounter and goes into kind of a backstory for them.

That was me. And it doesn't include a lot of people. A little about Neji, Chouji, and Shikamaru, and a lot about Gaara, Sasuke, Naruto, and Rock Lee. But Naruto's flashbacks hardly came along until his fight with Sasuke. We only see him mature minimumly until during the search for Tsunade arc, and hardly again. In fact, after that, he only used his Kage Bunshins as a distraction once, against Kidoumaru, which always worked as an effective strategy. Rock Lee, however, has had continuous development ever since his appearance, from a complete flirting goof-ball to a brave, hardworking, and perservering warrior.

[pavister]

As of right now, I can't think of any canon plotholes, other than Naruto > Kabuto > Tsunade; Naruto > Kabuto, Kabuto = Kakashi; Kakashi > Naruto

go to the "best and worst moments of naruto" thread in the naruto manga section
i think thats the name of the thread

[KuwabaraTheMan]

*sigh*
Kabuto beat Naruto. Naruto was lying on the ground, and would have died if Tsunade wasn't there.

Kabuto summoned flipping Manda after the fight, and escaped as well. And going into the fight against Naruto he had fought against both Tsunade and Shizune. He clearly outclassed Naruto in every way.

But enough about that.

[Ai_Kotobuki]

i find it is rather a bit strange that a lot of member in this forum would prefer one piece over naruto since this is a naruto forum. but i am a hypocrite, bc HxH is my favorite :)

yea, not that much of a problem. we join most probably cos we liked naruto, but when the topic of OP comes up we know what we want more of

[Molekage]

naruto seems to be a good anime that gets people into the anime world. when i first started watching it, i thought it was the best thing in the world. then one piece happened

[Hitomi_No_Ryu]

i find it is rather a bit strange that a lot of member in this forum would prefer one piece over naruto since this is a naruto forum. but i am a hypocrite, bc HxH is my favorite :)

When the recent stuff out of Naruto is so medicore and when the recent stuff out of One Piece is so awesome...we can't help it!

I liked Naruto more in the beginning but One Piece is going way beyond my expectations nowadays!

[Tsuuga]

The thing that disappoints me about Naruto lately is that you feel the characters have so much potential and it's hardly ever realized.

In One Piece I'm constantly amazed at how the Strawhats are pushing their limits.

[Masaki]

go to the "best and worst moments of naruto" thread in the naruto manga section
i think thats the name of the thread

Can't, I'm anime only and don't have access to the manga section.

[Nice Gai]

My take is that the fillers in One piece are watchable. The fillers of naruto are what made me come and watch One Piece and I am quite please.

[Molekage]

yay! naruto fillers are good for something

[Hitomi_No_Ryu]

My take is that the fillers in One piece are watchable. The fillers of naruto are what made me come and watch One Piece and I am quite please.

Amen to that!:amuse

[Nuriel]

The thing that disappoints me about Naruto lately is that you feel the characters have so much potential and it's hardly ever realized.

In One Piece I'm constantly amazed at how the Strawhats are pushing their limits.

I feel the same way about One Piece. That's one of the main reasons I like it so much. It never disapoints me. Each arc gets better and better. :)

[Molekage]

yeah.. naruto is like a sine curve, just when you think something is going to be awesome, something like flowing chidori comes up. :cry it goes back and forth between crap and awesome... but OP is exponential :)

[Masaki]

yeah.. naruto is like a sine curve, just when you think something is going to be awesome, something like flowing chidori comes up. :cry it goes back and forth between crap and awesome... but OP is exponential :)

More like a cosine curve, because Naruto had promise at the beginning.

[Half Empty]

well i like one piece better because even thougth both have very characther driven stories but one piece has stronger characthers case in point naruto girl cry and piss them seveles when there in most fights and show very little personality while one piece girls figth back and have different personallites

[Kagutsuchi]

You have to admit though, Uchiha Itachi is the most badass character.

[crazymtf]

Luffy still owns itachi

[Masaki]

Luffy still owns itachi

Along with Zoro, Sanji, Ace, Smoker, Enel, Shanks, and Aokiji.

[Molekage]

More like a cosine curve, because Naruto had promise at the beginning.
haha! very true very true.

itachi has got to be the most flat villian character ever. hes just kind of there. all of OPs villians at least have a second dimension

[Masaki]

haha! very true very true.

itachi has got to be the most flat villian character ever. hes just kind of there. all of OPs villians at least have a second dimension

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention. DeFlamingo is the Itachi of OP (though he doesn't have connections with a Straw Hat). But his powers are cooler.

[LordSpark]

Every post in this thread just prooves to me that some people will like whatever the Japanese like regardless of how boring it is. One Peice is one of the most boring manga's I've ever tried to read. The main character, that walking condem Luffy, put's me to sleep. I can't honestly think of one nive thing to say about OP. I hate it's art style, I hate it's goofy characters, I hate the fights, etc, etc.

The whole thing feels like a Saturday mourning cartoon on FoX. How am I supposed to take the villians seriouslly when they look like the ones in OP.

I know a bunch of OP fanatics are now going to bitch me out because I don't share their love for this boring show but that's to be expected. I'll just finish with this, there's a very good reason why OP is only really popular in Japan while Naruto is really popular in Japan and an international phenomonom. Honestly, it's success in the West hasn't been seen sense Dragon Ball Z.

[crazymtf]

Every post in this thread just prooves to me that some people will like whatever the Japanese like regardless of how boring it is. One Peice is one of the most boring manga's I've ever tried to read. The main character, that walking condem Luffy, put's me to sleep. I can't honestly think of one nive thing to say about OP. I hate it's art style, I hate it's goofy characters, I hate the fights, etc, etc.

The whole thing feels like a Saturday mourning cartoon on FoX. How am I supposed to take the villians seriouslly when they look like the ones in OP.

I know a bunch of OP fanatics are now going to bitch me out because I don't share their love for this boring show but that's to be expected. I'll just finish with this, there's a very good reason why OP is only really popular in Japan while Naruto is really popular in Japan and an international phenomonom. Honestly, it's success in the West hasn't been seen sense Dragon Ball Z.

No the reason it isn't popular is because look at the damn voices and edits. OP is great, don't be a dick because we dissing on shitty naruto, i bet you love that show right? God i could watch dbz and see 500 things related to it and naruto so please shut the hell up about only jap people liking this great series. Now that i'm done saying what i wanted to say to you i'm back to saying why it's better then naruto.

Oh yeah Luffy aint a boring character like Naruto.
Oh yeah nami more useful then sakura.
Oh yeah Zoro or Senji owns Sasuke
Chopper is funnier then any chracter on naruto, and guess what, he aint even the funnist.
OP never gets boring, naruto? Hell yeah.
OP doesn't have shitty fillers. Naruto? Yeah.
Need i go on? Yeah :wink :nod

[Anemone]

(IMHO)
HELL YEAH ONE PIECE IS BETTER THAN NARUTO!!!
Tho Naruto is still good! :nod
BUT ONE PIECE IS THE BEST ANIME EVER!!!! (IMHO)
ONE PIECE FTW!!!! :P

[xon]

i like one piece more then naruto i lost my interest in naruto after 70 eps. But one piece 270 ep i still like it.smile-big smile-big

[Suzumebachi]

The main character, that walking condem Luffy, put's me to sleep.

LOLZ! Omg, so funny! My hats off to you, the FIRST One Piece basher to ever call Luffy a condem! Congrats!

[LordSpark]

No the reason it isn't popular is because look at the damn voices and edits.
That's no excuse and you know it. If I were to take a guess at least well over 90% of the people who watch CN don't watch subed Jap anime and more than likly beleive what they're getting is the show in it's entirety. And also, Naruto is an awfully shitty dub with terrible voice actors and content cutting. So try again. By the way, why is Naruto manga so incredably popular around the world as well?

i bet you love that show right?
Yeah. Along with millions of other people around the world. What's your point.

God i could watch dbz and see 500 things related to it and naruto so please shut the hell up about only jap people liking this great series.
500 things huh. Would one of those 500 things be powerups? OP has those two. Hell, at least Naruto has reasonable explanations for it's powerups.

What are the other 500 things. On another note, I find it very ironic that you dis DBZ even though you apparently no everything about it. And it's quite true that OP is really only popular in Japan.

[Takuza]

No the reason it isn't popular is because look at the damn voices and edits.
That's no excuse and you know it. If I were to take a guess at least well over 90% of the people who watch CN don't watch subed Jap anime and more than likly beleive what they're getting is the show in it's entirety. And also, Naruto is an awfully shitty dub with terrible voice actors and content cutting. So try again.


You, my good sir, are an idoit. :D I suggest you watch onepiece ,and compare the dub to naruto's dub.

Ps: Naruto has an awesome dub.

[LordSpark]

Oh yeah Luffy aint a boring character like Naruto.[quote]
Naruto has more character in his left pinky that Luffy has had in the entire series. Luffy's character has not changed one lick sense the beginning of the series. He has no moral dilemas or anything along those lines. He's about as boring as it gets.

[quote]Oh yeah nami more useful then sakura.
I'd like to see that fight. Sakura can kill you with one punch and hell lethal injuries and has genjutsu abilities. Nami has a lightning rod or whatever and can steal stuff.

Oh yeah Zoro or Senji owns Sasuke
Zoro is one of the few characters in the series that is anygood but he's no where near Sasuke. Hell that's not even fare. He's not even in the same time zone. and Senji not even the same planet.


Chopper is funnier then any chracter on naruto, and guess what, he aint even the funnist.
Whatever you say, but OP has never once gotten a laugh out of me, Naruto and several other mangas on the other hand, have had rolling at times.


OP never gets boring, naruto?
Just about everyone, even OP's biggest fans agree that the beginning was boring as hell.

OP doesn't have shitty fillers. Naruto?
So. I could care less about fillers. I only care about the manga and cannon anime.

[Molekage]

I know a bunch of OP fanatics are now going to bitch me out because I don't share their love for this boring show but that's to be expected. I'll just finish with this, there's a very good reason why OP is only really popular in Japan while Naruto is really popular in Japan and an international phenomonom. Honestly, it's success in the West hasn't been seen sense Dragon Ball Z.

naruto got lucky. if the one piece dub was made with a tenth of the care naruto was made with, this site would be called one piece fan :nod

(okay, maybe not, but one can dream :))

[escamoh]

Every post in this thread just prooves to me that some people will like whatever the Japanese like regardless of how boring it is. One Peice is one of the most boring manga's I've ever tried to read. The main character, that walking condem Luffy, put's me to sleep. I can't honestly think of one nive thing to say about OP. I hate it's art style, I hate it's goofy characters, I hate the fights, etc, etc.

That's one of the most retarded things I've ever heard. The rest of the post is your opinion so I don't really care.

I know a bunch of OP fanatics are now going to bitch me out because I don't share their love for this boring show but that's to be expected. I'll just finish with this, there's a very good reason why OP is only really popular in Japan while Naruto is really popular in Japan and an international phenomonom. Honestly, it's success in the West hasn't been seen sense Dragon Ball Z.

There's a good a reason why OP is only popular in Japan. The reason is 4kids.

That's no excuse and you know it. If I were to take a guess at least well over 90% of the people who watch CN don't watch subed Jap anime and more than likly beleive what they're getting is the show in it's entirety. And also, Naruto is an awfully shitty dub with terrible voice actors and content cutting. So try again.

4kids is the reason OP is not famous worldwide like Naruto. Naruto dub completely owns the OP dub....it should be obvious.

Naruto used to be by favorite anime until I saw One Piece and realized how shitty Naruto is compared to it. Naruto is going downhill while OP keeps getting better and better. I mean seriously, have you read the latest chapters in Naruto? They're complete shit.

[LordSpark]

You, my good sir, are an idoit. :D I suggest you watch onepiece ,and compare the dub to naruto's dub.

Ps: Naruto has an awesome dub.
I have watched a few episodes of the OP dub, yes it's very shitty. I have also watched episodes of Naruto dub and IMO, it's very shitty as well. Beleive It!!!!

[crazymtf]

That's no excuse and you know it. If I were to take a guess at least well over 90% of the people who watch CN don't watch subed Jap anime and more than likly beleive what they're getting is the show in it's entirety. And also, Naruto is an awfully shitty dub with terrible voice actors and content cutting. So try again. By the way, why is Naruto manga so incredably popular around the world as well?


Yeah. Along with millions of other people around the world. What's your point.


500 things huh. Would one of those 500 things be powerups? OP has those two. Hell, at least Naruto has reasonable explanations for it's powerups.

What are the other 500 things. On another note, I find it very ironic that you dis DBZ even though you apparently no everything about it. And it's quite true that OP is really only popular in Japan.

Haha naruto have shitty subs compared to One Piece, yeah OK...Sorry if you didn't see more then a few eps of one piece or just saw a few random pictures, sucks to be you :( By the way how the hell is naruto edit? What they take out these little things while in some one piece eps they take almost 6 minutes out of the damn show...And One Piece outsells naruto by a LARGE margin buddy :wink

Yeah Naruto has powerups and when the hell you see one piece with power ups? :huh Naruto also goes super saiyan...wopps i meant kyubi...Ninja fighting with blue balls and a big eletric attack, Yeah i saw somone do that last week...Resenga *Or whatever the hell that blue ball is call that naruto shoots off...sorry haven't seen naruto in awhile do to it's suckage* = Kamahama. Second part of naruto = Second part of dbz *Great Saiyan man* I don't even have to prove anymore...:nod

First how the hell you know One Piece is only big in japan when most of the people posting on this place are from america and they damn love the series. Second how am i dissing dbz? It's not a great anime and overhyped like naruto, watchable to some extent? Yes. Have good eps? Yes. But does it keep it's stamaina? NO...

[Usopp]

LordSpark, have you even watched One Piece, the anime really does justice to the manga, and you don't like the artwork?

Here's what I think about them:

Naruto:

Cons:

-Continuous decay as the manga continuesof the plot, and no expansion of characters, only the reintroduction and obliteration of new ones.

-Does anyone remember when this show was about ninjas? Not demon monsters.

-Anything can be explained via the careful insertion of the word "CHAKRA"

Pros:

-The.......................art is nice

-Had a promising beginning filled with possibilities

-Cool plot twists once in a while

One Piece:

Cons:

-The art certainly isn't the best out there, but it's certainly effective and enjoyable

-Um, nothing else

Pros:

-Every character, even minor ones that you would originally not give a second thought to have a purpose for existing in the story, usually a little later on.

-The characters are developed and put into situations that test how their character would react, thus developing, making much deeper and richer characters.

-The fillers don't suck, and are implemented as to be tolerable

-I enjoyed watching every episode thus far

Just go watch it (not just the first 6 episodes), give it a chance

[Molekage]

you know, sometimes anime just doesn't gel with people. there is this greek myth that tells of king who favored pan's music over apollo's music, even though apollo's music was obviously better. the same can be said about naruto and one piece in the eyes of lord spark :)

[escamoh]

I'd like to see that fight. Sakura can kill you with one punch and hell lethal injuries and has genjutsu abilities. Nami has a lightning rod or whatever and can steal stuff.

He said Nami is more USEFUL. All Sakura does is cry and cheerlead Sasuke on.

Zoro is one of the few characters in the series that is anygood but he's no where near Sasuke. Hell that's not even fare. He's not even in the same time zone. and Senji not even the same planet.

I suggest you go to the Outskirts Battledome. Zoro or Sanji could kill Sasuke so easily it's not even funny.

Whatever you say, but OP has never once gotten a laugh out of me, Naruto and several other mangas on the other hand, have had rolling at times.
Maybe 'cause you've been watching the dub? I could say the same about Naruto...I've barely ever laughed. OP is the funniest anime I've ever seen and a lot of people would agree.

Just about everyone, even OP's biggest fans agree that the beginning was boring as hell.

If the beggining was so damn boring why would so many people continue to watch OP?

[Takuza]

I have watched a few episodes of the OP dub, yes it's very shitty. I have also watched episodes of Naruto dub and IMO, it's very shitty as well. Beleive It!!!!

^ Have you only seen the onepiece dub? if so, then don't diss onepiece. And if you haven't gotten to at least ep 40 of the sub, don't dis it either. If you have watched up to ep 40, I'll accept your Opinion.

and the naruto dub is 98% the same show. you bassically said you hate naruto.

[crazymtf]

you know, sometimes anime just doesn't gel with people. there is this greek myth that tells of king who favored pan's music over apollo's music, even though apollo's music was obviously better. the same can be said about naruto and one piece in the eyes of lord spark :)

It's no problem to like naruto better, it is a problem though when you say one piece sucks..., either the person is stupid or high.

[LordSpark]

There's a good a reason why OP is only popular in Japan. The reason is 4kids.
The people who watch CN are not like the people on this site who watch subbed Jap anime.

Also, tell me, why is it that Naruto manga is so hot in the rest of the world as well? Viz does both Naruto and OP yet Naruto is the one with the record breaking sales.

You also mind telling me why Naruto has such a monstrous online following compared to OP. There's more fan sites dedicated to Naruto manga and anime that I care to count. OP, not so much. The best places I've ever found to get OP anime was animeyume or youtube.

I mean seriously, have you read the latest chapters in Naruto? They're complete shit.
The last arc wasn't all that hot but the current one is currently showing all signs of kicking major ass. I found every chapter of OP to suck though.

[Usopp]

Maybe 'cause you've been watching the dub? I could say the same about Naruto...I've barely ever laughed. OP is the funniest anime I've ever seen and a lot of people would agree.

I agree! so much funnier

[Takuza]

Also, tell me, why is it that Naruto manga is so hot in the rest of the world as well? Viz does both Naruto and OP yet Naruto is the one with the record breaking sales.

This is a valid point. I don't fidn the manga t obe very interesting. I asume that most people who read/buy sj manga in america agree with me on this. I stil lthink that op manga > naruto manga, but the simple Ninja vs Pirate thing prob gives naruto the edge. Not to mention that now with the dubs showing, Naruto is clearly going to sell beter than op.

[Masaki]

That's no excuse and you know it. If I were to take a guess at least well over 90% of the people who watch CN don't watch subed Jap anime and more than likly beleive what they're getting is the show in it's entirety. And also, Naruto is an awfully shitty dub with terrible voice actors and content cutting. So try again.


Idiot. You are far too shallowminded to even realize how good the Naruto dub is.


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http://opguide.bravehost.com/episode_list.shtml

Enough said.


500 things huh. Would one of those 500 things be powerups? OP has those two. Hell, at least Naruto has reasonable explanations for it's powerups.

What are the other 499 things. On another note, I find it very ironic that you dis DBZ even though you apparently no everything about it. And it's quite true that OP is really only popular in Japan.

Fixed.

One Piece characters use a variety of techniques. Naruto's pretty much: AHHHHH MORE TAILS! MORE CHAKRA! BRUTE FORCE!

I've yet to see Luffy's second gear, or any other power ups, so these I can't compare yet.

And I'll name 10 more similarities:
1. Main character can't make a motivational speech for his life. Nor can any other character.
2. Very, very few characters kick ass. I've always wanted to see Krillan or Yamcha kick ass at least once (But I found it quite strange when Krillan helped beat Broly while 18 didn't do crap). Same goes for Tenten and Hinata.
3. Females are only there for drama purposes.
4. Old Martial Arts Teacher = Lecher
5. Inconsistant time periods. DB started in the dinosaur age and ended up in the space age. Going to New Namek was no big deal at all. Naruto doesn't have guns but has TVs.
6. Fighters can sense the presense other fighters.
7. Stupid fillers (Chi Chi makes Goku and Piccolo try to get their drivers licenses when they try to train for the cell games, bah)
8. Plotholes, such as why Shikamaru didn't thin out his shadow against Temari, and how Android 19 came back to "life".
9. More stupid slapstick comedy than any other comedy.
10. It takes a thousand years to end a struggle. For instance, the huge amount of time it will take to power up or settle a ki wave match, and the million episodes it took for the Third's fight with Orochimaru to finally resolve itself.

[Usopp]

I found every chapter of OP to suck though.

You've read every chapter? :notrust

[Molekage]

It's no problem to like naruto better, it is a problem though when you say one piece sucks..., either the person is stupid or high.
i guess it seems spark came in just to pick a fight. no amount of bickering is going to convince him otherwise.

that being said, to spark's point about viz manga, i argue that you blame that simply on the fact that naruto is newer than one piece. anime has had more time to permeate western culture, allowing for naruto to just ride the wave. if timing was switched between the two, one piece would be smashing whatever sales naruto currently has.

[crazymtf]

The people who watch CN are not like the people on this site who watch subbed Jap anime.

Also, tell me, why is it that Naruto manga is so hot in the rest of the world as well? Viz does both Naruto and OP yet Naruto is the one with the record breaking sales.

You also mind telling me why Naruto has such a monstrous online following compared to OP. There's more fan sites dedicated to Naruto manga and anime that I care to count. OP, not so much. The best places I've ever found to get OP anime was animeyume or youtube.


The last arc wasn't all that hot but the current one is currently showing all signs of kicking major ass. I found every chapter of OP to suck though.

So let me get this stright, whatever sells more means it's better, HOLY SHIT MAN BRITINY SPEARS IS THE FUCKING SHIT THEN...seriously man...:notrust

Anyway if you think every chapter of One piece is boring then you didn't read any. Please tell me what happen atleast in the first few volumes...no answer? Simple reason why your post are so funny :laugh

[escamoh]

The people who watch CN are not like the people on this site who watch subbed Jap anime.

I watch CN and subbed anime...

Also, tell me, why is it that Naruto manga is so hot in the rest of the world as well? Viz does both Naruto and OP yet Naruto is the one with the record breaking sales.

Maybe 'cause the anime is so popular?

You also mind telling me why Naruto has such a monstrous online following compared to OP. There's more fan sites dedicated to Naruto manga and anime that I care to count. OP, not so much. The best places I've ever found to get OP anime was animeyume or youtube.

Maybe 'cause the anime is so popular? The OP dub is utter shit and isn't even famous in America. If someone like VIZ dubbed OP I bet things would be different.

[Takuza]

you know, sometimes anime just doesn't gel with people. there is this greek myth that tells of king who favored pan's music over apollo's music, even though apollo's music was obviously better. the same can be said about naruto and one piece in the eyes of lord spark :)


^ and if my memory serves, Apollo punished that king in some unspeakable way xD

[Molekage]

^ he gives him donkeys ears :) maybe we should give some to spark for coming in and flaming

[DD-K]

it is strange that it's so hard to find one piece anime...

[escamoh]

There's a sticky for downloading OP. Use it.

[Molekage]

i found it instantly when i first started. kaizou ftw!!!

[crazymtf]

it is strange that it's so hard to find one piece anime...

Strange to find it? Are you kidding? 250 seeders for a ep that's been out for two months is pretty good i would say :laugh

[LordSpark]

LordSpark, have you even watched One Piece, the anime really does justice to the manga, and you don't like the artwork?
I don't watch much anime in general. I've read over 300 chapters of OP before quitting and I've seen around 20 episodes of the anime during the Alabastor ark. It still failed to get my interest.

[/quote]-Does anyone remember when this show was about ninjas? Not demon monsters.[/quote]
Yeah the manga really jumped the shark when the very first panal of the manga talked about demon monsters. Naruto has always been about demons inside people. Naruto has never been about the stealthy ninjas of the night. Kishi even said he didn't want them to be like that. These are more like video game ninjas.

-Anything can be explained via the careful insertion of the word "CHAKRA"
You're lucky to even get an explanation of stuff in OP. Everything else is "Magic Fruit." At least the chakra makes since so how is this a con. If this is a con then Magic fruit, Kii, Riatsu, Nin, Chi, and many other things are all cons.

One Piece:

Cons:

-The art certainly isn't the best out there, but it's certainly effective and enjoyable

-Um, nothing else
You certainly arn't trying very hard if that's all you can come up with. You were grasping at straws with Naruto cons and plus's yet you didn't even try with OP.

-Every character, even minor ones that you would originally not give a second thought to have a purpose for existing in the story, usually a little later on.

-The characters are developed and put into situations that test how their character would react, thus developing, making much deeper and richer characters.
I honestly thought you were talking about Naruto here as well.

[escamoh]

These kinds of arguments make me hate 4kids even more.

Because of them we have people hating One Piece and never even seeing the show how it was meant to be seen.

[LordSpark]

Have you only seen the onepiece dub? if so, then don't diss onepiece. And if you haven't gotten to at least ep 40 of the sub, don't dis it either. If you have watched up to ep 40, I'll accept your Opinion.

and the naruto dub is 98% the same show. you bassically said you hate naruto.
I've read 300 plus chapters of the maga so I don't need to watch the anime since it would bore me just the same. So yes, I do have the right to criticize. Do you accept my opinion?

The Naruto dub has shitty voice actores, rewritten dilog, editing of some of the beast parts and toned down violence. It's pretty shitty in my book.

[FreakxOfxNature]

WHY AM I A NEWBIE STUDENT?! this sux balls....
BLOW ME

[Masaki]

The people who watch CN are not like the people on this site who watch subbed Jap anime.


Because there aren't people here who clearly are CN only?

You also mind telling me why Naruto has such a monstrous online following compared to OP. There's more fan sites dedicated to Naruto manga and anime that I care to count. OP, not so much. The best places I've ever found to get OP anime was animeyume or youtube.


One Piece was licensed long before Naruto was. Because of this, many of the download sites were likely taken down after the licensing, as was the case with Naruto. However, because of the bad dub, the fan base would then decline because people were turned away from the show, and subs were hard to find. So, they hear about Naruto. Bam.

The last arc wasn't all that hot but the current one is currently showing all signs of kicking major ass. I found every chapter of OP to suck though.

If you can already say that one arc wasn't great, then how can you say Naruto is so great? One Piece fans enter each arc with the expectations that it will be great, and are never disappointed. How far are you in OP?

[LordSpark]

Idiot. You are far too shallowminded to even realize how good the Naruto dub is.
Naruto has many of the same kinds of editing. No blood at all, destroy rather than kill, the kiss scene takin out, Naruto stabbing his hand, and many many more.

[LordSpark]

that being said, to spark's point about viz manga, i argue that you blame that simply on the fact that naruto is newer than one piece. anime has had more time to permeate western culture, allowing for naruto to just ride the wave. if timing was switched between the two, one piece would be smashing whatever sales naruto currently has.
Or it could be that Naruto is jusr generally more liked internationally. No, that's just crazy.

[crazymtf]

Or it could be that Naruto is jusr generally more liked internationally. No, that's just crazy.
300 chapters huh? Mine telling us your fav parts? Some parts you hated? You know if you read 300 chapters and came to the coculation after all that reading then it's worse then naruto which began sucking long before fillers even began...:huh

[escamoh]

Naruto has many of the same kinds of editing. No blood at all, destroy rather than kill, the kiss scene takin out, Naruto stabbing his hand, and many many more.

OMFG!!! did you just compare the Naruto dub to the OP dub!!??

If you think blood and cursing is all that matter, then stick with Naruto.

[Tsuuga]

Meh. I don't agree with LordSpark in the slightest, but he can hold onto his opinion, and I'll hold onto mine. As it stands I find it hard to believe he's read 300 chapters. Just sounds like bullshit to me.

EDIT: Oh, what the hell. He's trying to compare the Naruto and OP dubs? That just made his viewpoint that much less credible.

[LordSpark]

So let me get this stright, whatever sells more means it's better, HOLY SHIT MAN BRITINY SPEARS IS THE FUCKING SHIT THEN...seriously man...
Arn'y you the one just a few posta ago that bragged about how many more copies OP sells in Japan over Naruto?

Anyway if you think every chapter of One piece is boring then you didn't read any. Please tell me what happen atleast in the first few volumes...no answer? Simple reason why your post are so funny
In the first chapter Luffy get's inspired by Shanks, nearly swallowed by a sea monster, gets his hat from Shanks, Next he meets up with the nerd with glasses, runs into his first future crew mate, rescues said person, travels again, meats Nami, fights a stupid clown enemy, travels again, meets usop, fights and beats some lame pirate with claws and a Michael Jackson wannabe, etc, etc. I'm sure I've proved myself by now to you.

[escamoh]

In the first chapter Luffy get's inspired by Shanks, nearly swallowed by a sea monster, gets his hat from Shanks, Next he meets up with the nerd with glasses, runs into his first future crew mate, rescues said person, travels again, meats Nami, fights a stupid clown enemy, travels again, meets usop, fights and beats some lame pirate with claws and a Michael Jackson wannabe, etc, etc. I'm sure I've proved myself by now to you.

So I guess you haven't watched or read OP yet...

[Tsuuga]

It doesn't sound like the first 300 chapters to me. If you've only read up to then, then I would agree with you that One Piece at that point was not better than Naruto.

[crazymtf]

Arn'y you the one just a few posta ago that bragged about how many more copies OP sells in Japan over Naruto?


In the first chapter Luffy get's inspired by Shanks, nearly swallowed by a sea monster, gets his hat from Shanks, Next he meets up with the nerd with glasses, runs into his first future crew mate, rescues said person, travels again, meats Nami, fights a stupid clown enemy, travels again, meets usop, fights and beats some lame pirate with claws and a Michael Jackson wannabe, etc, etc. I'm sure I've proved myself by now to you.
Yes you proved to me that you read all the boring shit, mine telling us around ep 100+ whatcha think? Didn't think so :laugh

And the reason i bragged about OP selling more is because for some stupid ass reason you think naruto sells more...it's pretty funny :laugh

[LordSpark]

Maybe 'cause the anime is so popular? The OP dub is utter shit and isn't even famous in America. If someone like VIZ dubbed OP I bet things would be different.
I bet it wouldn't. What's popular in one country isn't always going to be popular in another. Meacha anime for example is very popular in Japan, not so much in the states or other places.

The anime is popular because people internationally prefer it to OP. You can cry all you like about the dub but the younger children who generally watch CN could care less. Pokemon and Yu Gi Oh were god awful animes Jap and Americann but they saw tremendous success in the states.

[Masaki]

I honestly thought you were talking about Naruto here as well.

When has a minor character ever done squat for the story? All they do is tell Lee that he can't beat Neji, have a misc. curse seal with a past that is never explained in canon, say how he's a tool to Zabuza and tells Naruto, a boy he just met, to kill him, have Whooping Cough and get killed by Baki, have a toothpick and almost fight Baki, have their fights skipped by Kishi, and give Tsunade misc. papers and folders.

Naruto has many of the same kinds of editing. No blood at all, destroy rather than kill, the kiss scene takin out, Naruto stabbing his hand, and many many more.

Blood still is there, but less. If you mean nose bleeds, then I agree.
They started saying kill recently.
Kiss was implied, hand stab was implied. They weren't removed, just censored.

Edits to One Piece:
All writing removed.
No pointy or shooting object will ever be within two feet or firing range of a character. People are not choked, they just get their stomachs or clothes grabbed.
The blood and wounds from the Mihawk vs Zoro fight is gone. Zoro later says his wounds are still hurting when he was originally worried about Luffy.
No one in the flashbacks dies. Bellemere gets locked up, Doctor H. (I never remembered that guy's name) doesn't self-detonate, Kuina got beat up.
Times when there are L or R changes are usually when the word was written in English in the original, and shows they are clearly wrong.
OP dub got a complete music change. Naruto's biggest change was the themes, which will appear on the DVDs, but at least the music during the show itself stayed.

[Molekage]

but but... one piece at the beginning was awesome :cry

[LordSpark]

These kinds of arguments make me hate 4kids even more.

Because of them we have people hating One Piece and never even seeing the show how it was meant to be seen.
I read Op and watched some of it long before 4kids ever got a hold of it making it even worse. It doesn't matter who dubbed OP. It's not the kind of show that would have been a huge success internationally.

[escamoh]

I bet it wouldn't. What's popular in one country isn't always going to be popular in another. Meacha anime for example is very popular in Japan, not so much in the states or other places.

The anime is popular because people internationally prefer it to OP. You can cry all you like about the dub but the younger children who generally watch CN could care less. Pokemon and Yu Gi Oh were god awful animes Jap and Americann but they saw tremendous success in the states.

You just don't get it do you?

The OP dub is COMPLETELY different from the original. Yu-gi-oh and Pokemon were meant for the age group they were shown to in USA. OP was not meant for kids that are like 6 years old.

[Molekage]

i'd like to point out that there are a lot of foreign OP sites out there, so one piece is indeed an international phenom

[LordSpark]

One Piece was licensed long before Naruto was. Because of this, many of the download sites were likely taken down after the licensing, as was the case with Naruto. However, because of the bad dub, the fan base would then decline because people were turned away from the show, and subs were hard to find. So, they hear about Naruto. Bam.
Even before it was licensod there were never tone of sire that were dedicated to OP like there are for Naruto. Naruto is licensed and yet it still has it's massive online following.

If you can already say that one arc wasn't great, then how can you say Naruto is so great? One Piece fans enter each arc with the expectations that it will be great, and are never disappointed. How far are you in OP?
I have never read a manga to date that stayed completly awsome through every arc. Expecting perfection is stupid. The entire beginning of OP was incredibly dissapointing in my opinion.

I stopped readng around chapter 300.

[Masaki]

Please note that One Piece is currently being speed subbed in English, Italian, French, and Arabic. I have also once seen Spanish subs for it. It definitly is popular worldwide.

[crazymtf]

I read Op and watched some of it long before 4kids ever got a hold of it making it even worse. It doesn't matter who dubbed OP. It's not the kind of show that would have been a huge success internationally.

Your like a 7 year old that doesn't have shit for a point of view. OK LISTEN TO ME THIS TIME> Ninja's will always get more attention then somthing like a pirate anime. Dub destroyed alot of peoples view, check on this site alone and see many people say "I'ma try the sub since the dub sucked" And a week later come back to say how much they love it. Why is it that EVERYONE who's seen both like ONE PIECE FAR FAR FAR more then naruto? WHY? Only you don't, everyone else likes OP better then Drago...Wopps Naruto.

[LordSpark]

300 chapters huh? Mine telling us your fav parts? Some parts you hated? You know if you read 300 chapters and came to the coculation after all that reading then it's worse then naruto which began sucking long before fillers even began...

I have no favorite parts. I hated all of it.

[Masaki]

LordSpark, please explain to me how you could have read 300 chapters but you haven't given us any evidence that you went past the Kuro arc?

[crazymtf]

He didn't read shit, obviously, either that or all he cares to watch is some dbz trying to act like ninja's :(

[escamoh]

Well whatever...sucks for you since you can't enjoy this awsome anime.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go watch episode 215 of One Piece.

[LordSpark]

Just sounds like bullshit to me.
Why, because I don't like.


EDIT: Oh, what the hell. He's trying to compare the Naruto and OP dubs? That just made his viewpoint that much less credible.
Where are you people getting this notion that I'm comparing them based souly on their dubs. I've sen maybe 5 episode or so of OP dub and a handful of Naruto dub. They're both really shitty dubs so I don't care to watch them. Hell, I rarelly watch anime at all. I still have only watched half of the subbed Naruto anime. I stick with the manga.

[Masaki]

Well whatever...sucks for you since you can't enjoy this awsome anime.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go watch episode 215 of One Piece.

Oh man, in 2-3 episodes you are in for a treat.

[LordSpark]

It doesn't sound like the first 300 chapters to me. If you've only read up to then, then I would agree with you that One Piece at that point was not better than Naruto.
I'm not going to sit here and list and entire freaking summery of the damn series. He asked for the first couple volumes so I gave a very brief summery of the first couple volumes where Luffy is gathering his new crew. The only thing that I saw that I left out was the guy that was stuck in a treasure chest.

[Supa Swag]

I've read 300 plus chapters of the maga so I don't need to watch the anime since it would bore me just the same. So yes, I do have the right to criticize. Do you accept my opinion?

The Naruto dub has shitty voice actores, rewritten dilog, editing of some of the beast parts and toned down violence. It's pretty shitty in my book.

I have a lil rule:

If someone has watched both O and Naruto dubbed and calls the Naruto dub "shit", they're opinion means jack shit.

Congratulations! You just made the list!


Never mind that JUST RECENTLY, Kakashi was heard saying to orochimaru "What snake pit in hell did you crawl out of?"

Never mind that Gaara's crushing the rain nin and watching the blood rain was unedited.

Never mind that the dialogue is pretty much left untouched.

Never mind that Kakashi's Raikiri to Haku only suffered some edited blood when they were puddles splashing in the original.

Never mind that the majority of the dub voices are great (Kakashi, Sasuke, Kurenai, Gai, Orochimaru, Zabuza, Haku).

Oh no, it's all shit. :notrust

[Masaki]

*kicks Laz-E-Boy* You're supposed to list Gai first, then put "manly features" in parenthesis!

[LordSpark]

Yes you proved to me that you read all the boring shit, mine telling us around ep 100+ whatcha think? Didn't think so

If you don't want to beleive that I honestly don't like OP and instead just making all this up for shits and giggles then be my guest. I don't really care. If you really think that it's impossible for someone to dislike OP then you need to get out more. I'm willing to bet that If I do describe Chapter 100 you'd just claim I just went and looked it up on a website for the manga.

[Supa Swag]

[quote]Oh yeah Luffy aint a boring character like Naruto.[quote]
Naruto has more character in his left pinky that Luffy has had in the entire series. Luffy's character has not changed one lick sense the beginning of the series. He has no moral dilemas or anything along those lines. He's about as boring as it gets.


Yep, Luffy had a great fucking time kicking Usopp out of the crew by fighting him because he had to get rid of Going Merry

And I'm sure Luffy was just happy go lucky when he got his ass whooped by Aokiji and because of him Luffy made the Gears

[Masaki]

If you don't want to beleive that I honestly don't like OP and instead just making all this up for shits and giggles then be my guest. I don't really care. If you really think that it's impossible for someone to dislike OP then you need to get out more. I'm willing to bet that If I do describe Chapter 100 you'd just claim I just went and looked it up on a website for the manga.

Then let's try this.

What's the name of the man who uses sand to fight?
What liquid was on Luffy's arms when he beat the above person?
What was Enel's power?
Why was it no good against Luffy?
Why didn't Luffy fight Bellamy until the gold was stolen from Montblanc Cricket?

[LordSpark]

When has a minor character ever done squat for the story? All they do is tell Lee that he can't beat Neji, have a misc. curse seal with a past that is never explained in canon, say how he's a tool to Zabuza and tells Naruto, a boy he just met, to kill him, have Whooping Cough and get killed by Baki, have a toothpick and almost fight Baki, have their fights skipped by Kishi, and give Tsunade misc. papers and folders.
Now it's my turn to say this, you obviously haven't read the manga. I mean good God. Did you actually say Neji's curse seal was never explained in cannon. Uh yeah it was. It had a whole chapter to itself. I couldn't even understand the rest off it. Make yourself a little clearer next time.

[Masaki]

Now it's my turn to say this, you obviously haven't read the manga. I mean good God. Did you actually say Neji's curse seal was never explained in cannon. Uh yeah it was. It had a whole chapter to itself. I couldn't even understand the rest off it. Make yourself a little clearer next time.

No, I'm an anime watcher.

And I was talking about ANKO's curse seal.

All they do is tell Lee that he can't beat Neji (Tenten), have a misc. curse seal with a past that is never explained in canon (Anko), say how he's a tool to Zabuza and tells Naruto (Haku), a boy he just met, to kill him, have Whooping Cough and get killed by Baki (Hayate), have a toothpick and almost fight Baki (Genma), have their fights skipped by Kishi (Tenten vs Temari, Shika vs Kin, I think, Sound Four vs Genma and the other who-cares Jounin), and give Tsunade misc. papers and folders (Shizune).

Geez, and you ask if I know the story.

Not to mention I've yet to see a big reason for Konohamaru's existance, other than the introduction of Ebisu who leads to the introduction of Jiriaya, which is very indirectly influecial. I seriously thought Konohamaru would be given a lot of development, seeing as how he was introduced before NARUTO'S TEAM.

[LordSpark]

You just don't get it do you?

The OP dub is COMPLETELY different from the original. Yu-gi-oh and Pokemon were meant for the age group they were shown to in USA. OP was not meant for kids that are like 6 years old.

No, you are the one who doesn't get it. It's the entire premiss off the show. Pirates are just not as interesting to Americans as ninjas. American find Ninjas a lot cooler. I know I sure hell did when I was a kid. It's also the look and feel of it. It's just not a show that would have hit it big in America. The only pirate that's popular in America is Captain Jack Sparrow. Now that's how you do pirates.

OP airs in other countries as well and it's not all that famous in those areas as well.

[Masaki]

No, you are the one who doesn't get it. It's the entire premiss off the show. Pirates are just not as interesting to Americans as ninjas. American find Ninjas a lot cooler. I know I sure hell did when I was a kid. It's also the look and feel of it. It's just not a show that would have hit it big in America. The only pirate that's popular in America is Captain Jack Sparrow. Now that's how you do pirates.

OP airs in other countries as well and it's not all that famous in those areas as well.

Which is why One Piece's advertisement shouldn't be based solely on piracy.

Source?

[crazymtf]

This guy doesn't read shit, ignore him, he knows jack shit. Yes i doubt you read it, and i wasn't even thinking about you going to read shit off the internet about it but now i think you would for telling us you would, thanks :)

[LordSpark]

What's the name of the man who uses sand to fight?
Crocodile.

What liquid was on Luffy's arms when he beat the above person?
Blood.

What was Enel's power?
Do you mean Eneru? Electricity wasn't it.

[/quote]Why was it no good against Luffy?[/quote]
Rubber doesn't conduct electricity.

Why didn't Luffy fight Bellamy until the gold was stolen from Montblanc Cricket?
Wasn't it something over not fighting over dreams.

[Masaki]

Do you mean Eneru? Electricity wasn't it.


Unfortunetly, that alone convinced me that there's a good chance he may have read the manga. The anime subs and the game use l, but the manga uses ru.

However, you are absolutely wrong for Bellamy. The reason you don't like One Piece is because you don't understand it at all. Luffy fights for dreams. He even says to Kuro that his dream was better during the fight. Luffy doesn't fight Bellamy because Bellamy didn't hurt any of his friends. All he did was just challenge him to a bar room brawl.

[LordSpark]

Anyways, I'm done. Apparently, it's completly impossible to dislike OP. Ain't that some shit.

[Masaki]

However, you are absolutely wrong for Bellamy. The reason you don't like One Piece is because you don't understand it at all. Luffy fights for dreams. He even says to Kuro that his dream was better during the fight. Luffy doesn't fight Bellamy because Bellamy didn't hurt any of his friends. All he did was just challenge him to a bar room brawl.

Put this into an edit. Reposting to make sure it's seen.

[Molekage]

more like its impossible to come in anyway and flame and not expect to be unscathed.

[Masaki]

more like its impossible to come in anyway and flame and not expect to be unscathed.

To be honest, he didn't flame.

[LordSpark]

The reason you don't like One Piece is because you don't understand it at all.
No, the reason I don't like OP is because I DON'T LIKE ONE PIECE! It's that simple. It's not the kind of story I care for. That's all there is to it. There's no complicated reason. I just plain and simple, find it boring.

[Hitotsumami]

I think One Piece is way cooler than Naruto, but thats just my opinion.

If you don't like One Piece, I don't mind. ^_^
If you perfer Ninja's over Pirates, awesome. ^_^
If you think Naruto is deeper than One Piece, keep reading/wathing. ^_^

People shouldn't argue against which is better. Its all opinion. The only one thing I do want to point out, however, is that is you are going to talk badly about One Piece or Naruto, make sure you say something more intelligent than "one piece art is ugly" or "stupid stretching".

Again, like whatever you like, doesn't bother me. ^_^

All done.

[Molekage]

To be honest, he didn't flame.
flame, pick a fight, same thing :amuse

by the way, you made some awesome points tonight masaki!

[Masaki]

flame, pick a fight, same thing :amuse

by the way, you made some awesome points tonight masaki!

Not really. Flaming would consist of a lot of cursing, cap locks, and bad grammar.

I usually don't make threads when I don't know the topic.

[crazymtf]

If you like naruto more that's fine but don't come in here saying only Jap's could like One Piece and that it's not as good as naruto, just say you like narut more and that's it....

[escamoh]

Oh man, in 2-3 episodes you are in for a treat.

I just saw the episode with Afro Luffy!! That's what you were talking about right?

omg it was one of the funniest things ever...especially Usopp's reaction to seeing the afro for the first time :laugh.

[crazymtf]

^Nice spoiler...lol but i don't care:)

[escamoh]

^Nice spoiler...lol but i don't care:)

omg I'm so sorry man...:(.

I just thought a majority of the people here were current with OP...so sorry.

[KakashisGurl]

nARUTO KICKS ASS! ONE PEICE SUCKS! AVE U HEARD THE THEME SONG TO ONE PEICS SONG ITS REALLY GAY! NARUTO KICKS ITS ASS ALL THE
WAY TO GAWAD AVENUE!LOLIM SRY BUT NARUTO ROCKS AND ONE PEICE SUCKS!http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7926/grouppic4rp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[KakashisGurl]

FULL METAL ALCHEMIST BEATS ONEPEICES ASS BUT NOT NARUTOS!

[Caustic]

I personally find Naruto to be a bit more appealing than One Piece (Although, I'm a Bleach fan at heart.)

My major fuss with One Piece centers around the characterization. No, I'm not saying that the characters are horrible - on the contrary, I find almost all the characters enjoyable. My major problem is that they all seem to fall under a certain category of "stupidity". I'm not quite sure how to describe it, but I guess it's like Luffy is stupid in general, Sanji is stupid around women, Usopp + Galu are hopeless cowards, and even the villians are influenced by some lack of intelligence. There just aren't enough people who "think."
In addition, nearly all of One Piece's "humour" seems to center around a character's stupid remark, followed by an angry rebuttal.

However, if there's one thing that One Piece has over Naruto, it's gotta be the treatment of "Secondary characters." I mean, despite the fact that I'm fairly certain that Franky will be joining the Crew, there's still a very good chance that it would be Paulie instead. Both of them are memorable, interesting characters.
Maybe it's for this reason that no one dies in One Piece (i.e. Pell)
Naruto just doesn't have any time in the spotlight for any team other than 7. When Sai and Yamato were introduced out of nowhere, I was still left wondering about the other teams. All we got was a small introduction, nothing more than a single page devoted to showing their new costumes, and a bit of conversation. Then, they faded back into obscurity. It's like Secondary cast is created for us to learn to appreciate and like, only to have them never show up again.
In all honesty, when's the last time we've seen Iruka or Konohamaru? It's enough to make you think that maybe, if we're lucky, they'll play a large part in defeating the Akatsuki or something, but hope is dwindling.

I suppose I could go on, but I should probably get going.
So, in conclusion, Bleach is the best, Manamana (doo-doo-do-do-doo), etc.

[Aman]

And also, Naruto is an awfully shitty dub with terrible voice actors and content cutting.
:rotfl

Wait a minute, you said NARUTO has content cutting and terrible voice actors? You should take a closer look at OP's huge cuts, horrible voice actors and even 4Kids adding things that wasn't there! :lmao

Can't stop laughing. :laugh

[Hitomi_No_Ryu]

My major fuss with One Piece centers around the characterization. No, I'm not saying that the characters are horrible - on the contrary, I find almost all the characters enjoyable. My major problem is that they all seem to fall under a certain category of "stupidity". I'm not quite sure how to describe it, but I guess it's like Luffy is stupid in general, Sanji is stupid around women, Usopp + Galu are hopeless cowards, and even the villians are influenced by some lack of intelligence. There just aren't enough people who "think."
In addition, nearly all of One Piece's "humour" seems to center around a character's stupid remark, followed by an angry rebuttal.

One Piece characters in general have a different kind of intelligence...a 'spur-the-moment' intelligence. They may not be able to go through well thought-out plan but when it come to thinking on the spot, anything is possible. So don't diss them on that note.

[LordSpark]

If you like naruto more that's fine but don't come in here saying only Jap's could like One Piece and that it's not as good as naruto, just say you like narut more and that's it....
I saw plenty of people in this thread, you included, that claimed Naruto sucked and listed why they thought it sucked. So you're telling me that it's alright for you and other to call Naruto sucky and list why you don't like it as much but I shouldn't. Screw that. I have an opinion I'm goint to state especially when all evidence supports it.

Why don't you tell the people who claim Naruto sucks to talk about how they it sucks?

[Kisame Samurai]

Well, Naruto doesn't suck, but there are a few things I don't like about it. Like the fact that it only follows the hidden leaf village, while it could be following every village. Kinda like a big war...thing

[Masaki]

LordSpark, you never replied about my complaints of the underuse of Anko and Konohamaru.

[Endless Mike]

nARUTO KICKS ASS! ONE PEICE SUCKS! AVE U HEARD THE THEME SONG TO ONE PEICS SONG ITS REALLY GAY! NARUTO KICKS ITS ASS ALL THE
WAY TO GAWAD AVENUE!LOLIM SRY BUT NARUTO ROCKS AND ONE PEICE SUCKS!*snip image*

Permission to flame the everloving crap of this n00b?

[Takuza]

Permission to flame the everloving crap of this n00b?

Granted, but be sure to use big,bold letters. Try and make them shiney also.


No, Naruto is not better than Onepiece Newb.

:D

[LordSpark]

LordSpark, you never replied about my complaints of the underuse of Anko and Konohamaru.
What exactly are you expecting. Anko had a significant part to play during the chunin exam. Besides, the way things are currently going in the manga, I wouldn'r be surprised if she did get another part to play. For instance, Asuma and Kurenia are only know just getting a serious part in the manga. Kishi doesn't drop everything currently going on just to elaborate on a certain character. He sometime wait's quite a while before he gives them their turn.

Things get awfully crowded when you try to have everyone in the spotlight at one time which is a major problem of OP.

Hell, Ank0 is one of Kishi's favorite characters.

As for Konohamaru, with all this talk of the Sarutobi clan and Asuma being Sandaime's son, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he to has a new part to play. What exactly could Konohamaru have done during PArt 1 that would have been interesting? Not much. He was an 8 year old kid going to school and playing with his frinds. Not very exciting. If Konohamaru were in OP, Oda would have had probly get kidnapped by goofy animal looking bad guy and go into a bunch of pointlessness that no one gives a damn about. If a character is going to be a big part of something I at least want an interesting reason rather than misfortune or bad luck.

[Molekage]

I have an opinion I'm goint to state especially when all evidence supports it.

No, the reason I don't like OP is because I DON'T LIKE ONE PIECE! It's that simple. It's not the kind of story I care for. That's all there is to it. There's no complicated reason. I just plain and simple, find it boring.

yep. great evidence. you lose :thumbs.

[Masaki]

What exactly are you expecting. Anko had a significant part to play during the chunin exam. Besides, the way things are currently going in the manga, I wouldn'r be surprised if she did get another part to play. For instance, Asuma and Kurenia are only know just getting a serious part in the manga. Kishi doesn't drop everything currently going on just to elaborate on a certain character. He sometime wait's quite a while before he gives them their turn.


Significant part? You mean introducing the second exam and being raped by Orochimaru? The only part she played was Orochimaru mentioning the curse seal, which probably wasn't needed.

Things get awfully crowded when you try to have everyone in the spotlight at one time which is a major problem of OP.


How so? Wiper and his group got a lot of screen time, and they were major contributors to the Skypeia arc.

Hell, Ank0 is one of Kishi's favorite characters.


Good to know he uses her so often.

As for Konohamaru, with all this talk of the Sarutobi clan and Asuma being Sandaime's son, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he to has a new part to play. What exactly could Konohamaru have done during PArt 1 that would have been interesting? Not much. He was an 8 year old kid going to school and playing with his frinds. Not very exciting. If Konohamaru were in OP, Oda would have had probly get kidnapped by goofy animal looking bad guy and go into a bunch of pointlessness that no one gives a damn about. If a character is going to be a big part of something I at least want an interesting reason rather than misfortune or bad luck.

Playing a role does not mean you have to fight. When Tsunade healed Lee, she was playing a role. Konohamaru's role, however, was asking Naruto to play, only to be turned down. He had a serious goal of beating Naruto, but instead uses stupid ninja skills, and then be impressed when Naruto sees through them. He's like a comic relief, but fails.

If he was in OP, he would have a significant role, such as Aisa. Hell, if he were kidnapped, that would be a lot better than being a stupid comic relief. For that reason, Moegi was a bigger character than Konohamaru was.

[Supa Swag]

Permission to flame the everloving crap of this n00b?

Oh come on, you know it's not nice to pick on mentally challenged grown ups. This ass probably just discovered the internet and thinks he/she made a great post. Flaming this jackass is like beating a one legged fatass in a 100meter dash; yeah you won, but are you proud of yourself?

[Kyuubi Naruto]

What an interesting read.

Personally I like Naruto better than I like One Piece. Not to say One Piece isn't good at all, I like the series but the moment I like Naruto better. There's just some things Naruto has that makes me think this way.

- With One Piece I can always expect Luffy and his crew to come out on top. If they don't then they will probably get stronger, fight them in the same arc and beat them.

With Naruto though you can't expect Naruto to win all of his battles. He actually loses alot. He's a hardworker, not a genius of battle. He gets stronger throughout the series gradually and at the end of the series he will be the strongest because of his hardwork. It's not gradual and he doesn't get strength from out of nowhere like some characters.

- Luffy is amazing, cool, and just awesome but in character development he can't compare with Naruto. Naruto's character development is easily above Luffy's. He losses, thinks about protecting himself from Akatsuki, he thinks about rescuing Sasuke and protecting his friends, he does it all. Luffy though, he seems too simple. Naruto though went from a hated prankster to a loyal ninja with friends he can depend on who he would do anything for and really it's deeper than that. I can't describe it all but really, Naruto's character development overshadows Luffy's.

The same with other characters in the manga. I feel Naruto's character development as a whole is better than One Piece's character development. When you have Sakura turning from what she was in part 2 into what she is in part 2, Sasuke's character development, Naruto's character development and everyone's character development I don't see One Piece competing with it.

- Even if the arts weird it doesn't bother me much because a manga can be great but have interesting art. It's the villains that bother me. Somehow I couldn't take someone like Kaku seriously after he pulled off his Devil Fruit transformation. Compare that to someone like Orochimaru, Itachi or Hidan. I don't know but it's just me, it was fucked up a bit. From that moment on I couldn't take him seriously. Some things in One Piece make me do a double-take but I can usually overlook them. Kaku though, I couldn't overlook that.

- Naruto's a hardworker story. One Piece though, I can't say the same for it. A underdog story. Luffy is no underdog. It inspires the reader.

- Naruto's fights are a bit more interesting to me compare to One Piece's fights. Not saying One Piece has crappy fights but they just don't interest me as much. Usually they have little strategy compared to Naruto's and it's sort of "Hit, Hit, Hit, Hit" back and forth and the one with the stronger hit or with the better range usually comes out on top. Naruto's fights are far from that. Naruto's battles involve speed, strength, strategy, just everything. Also I can never tell who's going to win again, the battles are so widely random. Again, with One Piece I can always tell who's going to win the fight. It's not exciting for me.

- Plotwise Naruto has alot on his plate and I like that. Juggling destroying Akatsuki, becoming Hokage and rescuing Sasuke all by himself also dealing with Kyuubi inside of him is a hard thing to take. Luffy doesn't have that though. Not saying he sucks though.

Because of these factors I feel that Naruto is better. Disagree? Go ahead.

[LordSpark]

Oh come on, you know it's not nice to pick on mentally challenged grown ups. This ass probably just discovered the internet and thinks he/she made a great post. Flaming this jackass is like beating a one legged fatass in a 100meter dash; yeah you won, but are you proud of yourself?

You could at least try you fucking idiot. I've been called some weird things, but that's the first time I've been called a one legged fatass. I'm just kidding, that was actually one of my nicknames in third grade. My other one was 25 inch dong! Yeah, bitch!

Here's a bit of advice, get used to people dissagreeing with you and your opinions and tastes. Actually no. Don't do that. Insult them as much as possible the moment they dissagree. You're sure to live an interesting life that way.

[Supa Swag]

You could at least try you fucking idiot. I've been called some weird things, but that's the first time I've been called a one legged fatass. I'm just kidding, that was actually one of my nicknames in third grade. My other one was 25 inch dong! Yeah, bitch!

Here's a bit of advice, get used to people dissagreeing with you and your opinions and tastes. Actually no. Don't do that. Insult them as much as possible the moment they dissagree. You're sure to live an interesting life that way.


HOLY SHIT!

I wasnt even fucking talking about you! Can you not read now???

nARUTO KICKS ASS! ONE PEICE SUCKS! AVE U HEARD THE THEME SONG TO ONE PEICS SONG ITS REALLY GAY! NARUTO KICKS ITS ASS ALL THE
WAY TO GAWAD AVENUE!LOLIM SRY BUT NARUTO ROCKS AND ONE PEICE SUCKS!*snip image*

From kakshigrl wahtever. Who was quoted by:

Permission to flame the everloving crap of this n00b?

Endless Mike. Who was quoted by me.

Jesus Christ. Check twice before you make an absolute ass outta yourself

[Takuza]

- Naruto's a hardworker story. One Piece though, I can't say the same for it. A underdog story. Luffy is no underdog. It inspires the reader.

I fell that statement is wrong. Luffy is and underdog. The rest is your oppinion, and I respect that. :D

the only other thing is that I don't see how naruto chars have ANY char devlopement. they stay the exact same to me, but everyone claims they do.

sasuke made it clear from the start he would do ANYTHING to be strong. as far as I know, he has never changed.

Naruto had char devlopement in the first 3 chapters, but none afterwards that I know of. Please tell me some ( not in a rude way, curious )

and I gues sakura kinda got a goal in life.....

[LordSpark]

Significant part? You mean introducing the second exam and being raped by Orochimaru? The only part she played was Orochimaru mentioning the curse seal, which probably wasn't needed.
What exactly is it you want from her? She did a whole lot more than just fighting Orochimaru. She was the examineer of the second test and had a lot to do with that part of the exam and the preliminaries.

How so? Wiper and his group got a lot of screen time, and they were major contributors to the Skypeia arc.
Anko got a lot of screen time and was a major part of The Forest of Death arc.

Good to know he uses her so often.
As explained above. I'd really like to see what you'd say if she gets another big part in the manga. Would you then start complaining about another character that hasn't gotten a lot of time yet?

Playing a role does not mean you have to fight.
If that's what you beleive then why are you complaining. He had a big part in chapter 2. Had another good part with the intro of the Sand Siblings. He has parts with Iruka and Sandaime. Not all character can be a pivot for the entire story. And like I said, I expect him to soon get even more time.

[LordSpark]

HOLY SHIT!

I wasnt even fucking talking about you! Can you not read now???
Sense I'm the only one anyones debating with in this thread, and sense I've already been personally insulted several times for dissagreeing I assumed it was directed towards me.

[crazymtf]

What an interesting read.

Personally I like Naruto better than I like One Piece. Not to say One Piece isn't good at all, I like the series but the moment I like Naruto better. There's just some things Naruto has that makes me think this way.

- With One Piece I can always expect Luffy and his crew to come out on top. If they don't then they will probably get stronger, fight them in the same arc and beat them.

With Naruto though you can't expect Naruto to win all of his battles. He actually loses alot. He's a hardworker, not a genius of battle. He gets stronger throughout the series gradually and at the end of the series he will be the strongest because of his hardwork. It's not gradual and he doesn't get strength from out of nowhere like some characters.

- Luffy is amazing, cool, and just awesome but in character development he can't compare with Naruto. Naruto's character development is easily above Luffy's. He losses, thinks about protecting himself from Akatsuki, he thinks about rescuing Sasuke and protecting his friends, he does it all. Luffy though, he seems too simple. Naruto though went from a hated prankster to a loyal ninja with friends he can depend on who he would do anything for and really it's deeper than that. I can't describe it all but really, Naruto's character development overshadows Luffy's.

The same with other characters in the manga. I feel Naruto's character development as a whole is better than One Piece's character development. When you have Sakura turning from what she was in part 2 into what she is in part 2, Sasuke's character development, Naruto's character development and everyone's character development I don't see One Piece competing with it.

- Even if the arts weird it doesn't bother me much because a manga can be great but have interesting art. It's the villains that bother me. Somehow I couldn't take someone like Kaku seriously after he pulled off his Devil Fruit transformation. Compare that to someone like Orochimaru, Itachi or Hidan. I don't know but it's just me, it was fucked up a bit. From that moment on I couldn't take him seriously. Some things in One Piece make me do a double-take but I can usually overlook them. Kaku though, I couldn't overlook that.

- Naruto's a hardworker story. One Piece though, I can't say the same for it. A underdog story. Luffy is no underdog. It inspires the reader.

- Naruto's fights are a bit more interesting to me compare to One Piece's fights. Not saying One Piece has crappy fights but they just don't interest me as much. Usually they have little strategy compared to Naruto's and it's sort of "Hit, Hit, Hit, Hit" back and forth and the one with the stronger hit or with the better range usually comes out on top. Naruto's fights are far from that. Naruto's battles involve speed, strength, strategy, just everything. Also I can never tell who's going to win again, the battles are so widely random. Again, with One Piece I can always tell who's going to win the fight. It's not exciting for me.

- Plotwise Naruto has alot on his plate and I like that. Juggling destroying Akatsuki, becoming Hokage and rescuing Sasuke all by himself also dealing with Kyuubi inside of him is a hard thing to take. Luffy doesn't have that though. Not saying he sucks though.

Because of these factors I feel that Naruto is better. Disagree? Go ahead.
Most of your stuff is opinion and that's cool but the bold part, naruto fights in the second part are *Talking about Naruto's fight* "Super Saiyan and then go crazy and attac" So far so we can't really say there more intresting. If were talking about part one it was spamming the clones and using blue ball attack. But if your talking about Naruto's WHOLE cast then that's your opinion on which fights you like better.

Also you keep saying Naruto doesn't always win, i was just wondering where your up to in OP because Luffy loses quite a few times.

[Masaki]

What an interesting read.

Personally I like Naruto better than I like One Piece. Not to say One Piece isn't good at all, I like the series but the moment I like Naruto better. There's just some things Naruto has that makes me think this way.

- With One Piece I can always expect Luffy and his crew to come out on top. If they don't then they will probably get stronger, fight them in the same arc and beat them.

With Naruto though you can't expect Naruto to win all of his battles. He actually loses alot. He's a hardworker, not a genius of battle. He gets stronger throughout the series gradually and at the end of the series he will be the strongest because of his hardwork. It's not gradual and he doesn't get strength from out of nowhere like some characters.

- Luffy is amazing, cool, and just awesome but in character development he can't compare with Naruto. Naruto's character development is easily above Luffy's. He losses, thinks about protecting himself from Akatsuki, he thinks about rescuing Sasuke and protecting his friends, he does it all. Luffy though, he seems too simple. Naruto though went from a hated prankster to a loyal ninja with friends he can depend on who he would do anything for and really it's deeper than that. I can't describe it all but really, Naruto's character development overshadows Luffy's.

The same with other characters in the manga. I feel Naruto's character development as a whole is better than One Piece's character development. When you have Sakura turning from what she was in part 2 into what she is in part 2, Sasuke's character development, Naruto's character development and everyone's character development I don't see One Piece competing with it.

- Even if the arts weird it doesn't bother me much because a manga can be great but have interesting art. It's the villains that bother me. Somehow I couldn't take someone like Kaku seriously after he pulled off his Devil Fruit transformation. Compare that to someone like Orochimaru, Itachi or Hidan. I don't know but it's just me, it was fucked up a bit. From that moment on I couldn't take him seriously. Some things in One Piece make me do a double-take but I can usually overlook them. Kaku though, I couldn't overlook that.

- Naruto's a hardworker story. One Piece though, I can't say the same for it. A underdog story. Luffy is no underdog. It inspires the reader.

- Naruto's fights are a bit more interesting to me compare to One Piece's fights. Not saying One Piece has crappy fights but they just don't interest me as much. Usually they have little strategy compared to Naruto's and it's sort of "Hit, Hit, Hit, Hit" back and forth and the one with the stronger hit or with the better range usually comes out on top. Naruto's fights are far from that. Naruto's battles involve speed, strength, strategy, just everything. Also I can never tell who's going to win again, the battles are so widely random. Again, with One Piece I can always tell who's going to win the fight. It's not exciting for me.

- Plotwise Naruto has alot on his plate and I like that. Juggling destroying Akatsuki, becoming Hokage and rescuing Sasuke all by himself also dealing with Kyuubi inside of him is a hard thing to take. Luffy doesn't have that though. Not saying he sucks though.

Because of these factors I feel that Naruto is better. Disagree? Go ahead.

Great points, finally someone who uses details.

- Well, at most times you can tell who's going to win. But in some situations, Luffy or Zoro have lost fights that they didn't instantly come back and finish. Examples of this are Smoker, Aokiji, and Mihawk.

- True, Luffy doesn't develop much. Instead, we find out more about him. If you started watching from episode 1 right now, you may find it hard to believe that by episode 40, he's fighting seriously, all-out, and dramatically for Nami, after she betrayed him. However, the entire Water 7 arc has practically given characters complete personality make overs, such as:


Luffy + Nami: It doesn't matter if a member sacrifices themself for the crew, the crew will take on anyone who tries to take them away.
Zoro: Learning more about swordsmanship. Just because he carries three swords doesn't mean he will always use all of them. This development dates back to the Kuro arc, when two swords were stolen.
Usopp: Challenging Luffy for the ship, Sogeking, what else do I need to say?
Sanji: Before this arc, he would pretty much throw Usopp to the sharks if it meant giving Nami a milk shake. But now, he, along with Luffy, Zoro, and Chopper, walked right into the Franky House to kick the crap out of everyone there for beating up Usopp.
Chopper: He learned about honor, and how treating the loser of a duel would be an insult. However, I'm not sure if this will come into play later.
Robin: We're learning about her past.

Note that I'm anime-only.


- Again, I'm anime-only, so don't spoil me on Kaku's fruit. But Kaku's just one member of the group, and I know Fukurou and the seppuku guy can't be taken "seriously". But, what's your take on Lucci, Kalifa, Jyabura, Spandam and Blueno? Not to mention Smoker, Aokiji, Alvidia, Kuro, Krieg, Arlong, Crocodile, and Enel.

- Really, Luffy was considered to be just an underdog fool with high hopes. As Krieg said, "He may considered strong here, but he'll just an ordinary person on the Grand Line."

- The three Luffy vs Crocodile fights show a lot of skill, speed, and strategy. Plus, the Naruto vs Sasuke fight was pretty much "Hit, hit, hit." As were the fights against Haku, Naruto vs Neji (and Kiba if you consider a fart to not be a "strategy", though the Naruto Rendan was invented), all of Gaara battles, Lee's battles, and Chouji's battles.

- Sure, Luffy doesn't have a lot. But when you consider his dream, plus him wanting to make sure his crew's dreams are also accomplished, he has 7-8 goals right now.

[Masaki]

What exactly is it you want from her? She did a whole lot more than just fighting Orochimaru. She was the examineer of the second test and had a lot to do with that part of the exam and the preliminaries.


Examiner really didn't give her much to do. Ibiki did the first one and I consider him to be one of the most underused characters, but at least he fought against the invasion. The prelims revolved more around Hayate.

Anko got a lot of screen time and was a major part of The Forest of Death arc.


No, Team 7 and Kabuto were major parts of the Forest. Really, Anko's only use was to alert the village of Orochimaru's arrival, and Kakashi would have found out soon enough anyway.

As explained above. I'd really like to see what you'd say if she gets another big part in the manga. Would you then start complaining about another character that hasn't gotten a lot of time yet?


I don't read the manga, for the millionth time. At least, not until 200 is clarified as filler. And I would, because it took Kishi this long to finally get someone who should be twice as important than she is to finally give her a role.

If that's what you beleive then why are you complaining. He had a big part in chapter 2. Had another good part with the intro of the Sand Siblings. He has parts with Iruka and Sandaime. Not all character can be a pivot for the entire story. And like I said, I expect him to soon get even more time.

Big part of chapter 2, yes. It introduced him, introduced Ebisu, and he learned the Sexy no Jutsu. And that was it. Then, yes, he helped introduce the Sand Siblings. Done. Not important in any other part. I believe the episodes of the interview and when he locked himself in the 3rd's room were fillers. Adding that to the other Konohamaru Squad filler episode, he received more serious screen time during fillers than in canon. Same goes for Tenten.

Edit: Yeah, double post. But at least I get the first post of the 10th page of my first ever thread to reach 10 pages.

[Kyuubi Naruto]

- Naruto's a hardworker story. One Piece though, I can't say the same for it. A underdog story. Luffy is no underdog. It inspires the reader.

I fell that statement is wrong. Luffy is and underdog. The rest is your oppinion, and I respect that. :D

the only other thing is that I don't see how naruto chars have ANY char devlopement. they stay the exact same to me, but everyone claims they do.

Naruto had char devlopement in the first 3 chapters, but none afterwards that I know of. Please tell me some ( not in a rude way, curious )

and I gues sakura kinda got a goal in life.....

I just can't see Luffy as the underdog for some reason even if he looks like an underdog. Also yeah Luffy does inspire people too. I just think Naruto's more of an underdog than Luffy is.

Naruto has had alot of character development in the series

- Prankster ninja during the beginning
- Gets a nindou after the Haku fight
- Stays the same pretty much until Sasuke leaves
- Naruto tries to rescue Sasuke and fails putting his hopes down but gets them back up after he talks to Jiraiya about training and then he leaves
- Naruto comes back fully-charged to rescue Sasuke, defeat Akatsuki and become Hokage. A better person after 2.5 years
- Slowly throughout the beginning of part through Naruto's actions it was confirmed by Yamato that Naruto didn't believe in his own true strength because of the Sasuke incident and he's been using Kyuubi because he thinks it will save Sasuke faster
- After hearing about what he did to Sakura and about himself from Yamato Naruto realizes using Kyuubi is wrong. This led up to Naruto telling Kyuubi to his face that he will never use him again and he can be a ninja without him, during this Naruto meets Sasuke and fails capturing him. Naruto swears off Kyuubi for good
- After reuniting with Sasuke again he's failed to capture Sasuke dropping deep into the hole again
- Naruto now gets his hopes back as he trains for his new own jutsu that he will create with Kakashi's help

That's sort of it for Naruto but I don't want to go into detail.

Sasuke's character development is also pretty complex

- Normal Uchiha boy who looks up to his brother then the entire clan thing happened
- Sasuke fights for himself until he realizes protecting friends makes him strong
- Itachi conflict messes up his mind and he eventually leaves
- Sasuke has a fated battle with Naruto but still considers him his friend, Sasuke leaves of course
- 2.5 years later find out Sasuke's changed and his feelings for Naruto and Sakura aren't there anymore (or they are deep in his heart). Sasuke has changed into a darker person
- We find out that Sasuke, who went to Orochimaru for power, is going to willingly going to give his body to Oro because no matter how strong he is he can't beat Itachi. Unlike pre-timeskip Sasuke who wants power to defeat Itachi himself this new Sasuke will do anything for power including letting Orochimaru take over his body and the possibility of taking drugs.

I'm not an extreme Sasuke fan so I don't really know what's going on with him.

Sakura's character development is one long line but it has a few turns

- Part 1 asshole Sakura
- Sakura realizes Naruto's ok and wants to change herself
- 2.5 years later she's a better person and now she can communicate with Naruto on a new level. Also Sakura doesn't suck
- Has shown some feelings for Naruto and given Yamato and Sai she might love Naruto but Shonen manga style hasn't confirmed it
- Sakura didn't go fangasming over Sasuke when she saw him

Most of your stuff is opinion and that's cool but the bold part, naruto fights in the second part are *Talking about Naruto's fight* "Super Saiyan and then go crazy and attac" So far so we can't really say there more intresting. If were talking about part one it was spamming the clones and using blue ball attack. But if your talking about Naruto's WHOLE cast then that's your opinion on which fights you like better.

Also you keep saying Naruto doesn't always win, i was just wondering where your up to in OP because Luffy loses quite a few times.

Naruto using Kyuubi was a plot point. Yamato made it clear that Naruto kept using Kyuubi repeatedly during the first arcs of part 2 because he didn't believe in his own strength.

Also Naruto using Kage Bunshin and Rasengan is part of his "standard fighting style". Everyone in Naruto has one. It's a set of jutsu that he will use in every fight and will try to beat his opponent with. Most if not all of his skills will revolve around this.

Naruto - Kage Bunshin and Rasengan
Sasuke - Chidoris, Katons and now Kusanagi
Kankurou - Puppets
Sakura - Medical skills
Orochimaru - Snake jutsu
Shikamaru - Kagemane no jutsu

Everyone has a set of jutsu they will use in a battle. Kage Bunshin and Rasengan are his jutsu. If you call spamming a jutsu part of his style then I guess you'd say the same for others. It's just what he does.

Also as in Naruto's fights I mean in a whole. Naruto and One Piece.

I'm up to the most recent chapter in One Piece and with Luffy I can always expect him to win. He might lose against the villain of an arc but you can bet during the same arc he will come back and kick their ass. The only time this hasn't happened if I remember correctly (I might forget a few things) was with Ao Kiji. With Smoker it was a tie. Like with Crocodile. Luffy lost, came back, Luffy then beats Crocodile. Soon to be the same with Lucci. He lost, he's coming back, Luffy will soon beat down Lucci.

I can always expect Luffy to win his fights unlike Naruto. Eventually I know Luffy will come around and beat his opponent.

Naruto though, he might not be able to beat someone and it will take him a while to finally beat them like Kakashi. He couldn't beat Kakashi in the first few chapters and finally after 300 chapters later Kakasi says he has a way that Naruto can surpass him which is what Naruto's doing now. His strength is gradual.

Great points, finally someone who uses details.

- Well, at most times you can tell who's going to win. But in some situations, Luffy or Zoro have lost fights that they didn't instantly come back and finish. Examples of this are Smoker, Aokiji, and Mihawk.

- True, Luffy doesn't develop much. Instead, we find out more about him. If you started watching from episode 1 right now, you may find it hard to believe that by episode 40, he's fighting seriously, all-out, and dramatically for Nami, after she betrayed him. However, the entire Water 7 arc has practically given characters complete personality make overs, such as:


- Again, I'm anime-only, so don't spoil me on Kaku's fruit. But Kaku's just one member of the group, and I know Fukurou and the seppuku guy can't be taken "seriously". But, what's your take on Lucci, Kalifa, Jyabura, Spandam and Blueno? Not to mention Smoker, Aokiji, Alvidia, Kuro, Krieg, Arlong, Crocodile, and Enel.

- Really, Luffy was considered to be just an underdog fool with high hopes. As Krieg said, "He may considered strong here, but he'll just an ordinary person on the Grand Line."

- The three Luffy vs Crocodile fights show a lot of skill, speed, and strategy. Plus, the Naruto vs Sasuke fight was pretty much "Hit, hit, hit." As were the fights against Haku, Naruto vs Neji (and Kiba if you consider a fart to not be a "strategy", though the Naruto Rendan was invented), all of Gaara battles, Lee's battles, and Chouji's battles.

- Sure, Luffy doesn't have a lot. But when you consider his dream, plus him wanting to make sure his crew's dreams are also accomplished, he has 7-8 goals right now.

- In Naruto they reallly haven't dwelled on Naruto's past yet but I see that happening eventually. Yes Water 7 has given the Strawhats a makeover but

- Yeah you can tell what's going to happen alot in the series and it's messed up a few times but it's sort of predictable

- Err, Naruto vs Neji wasn't hit hit hit, neither were those other fights

Naruto vs Kiba:

Naruto uses Kage Bunshin no jutsu and then lets it transform into Akamaru as he holds the real one and then lets it bite Kiba before he transforms it back into Naruto and Kiba realizes he's been tricked

Naruto transforms into Kiba so there's 3 Kibas and then Kiba hits him so he transforms into Akamaru so Kiba thinks he hits the real Akamaru. Then Kiba hits Kiba-Akamaru hurting him and then the real Naruto transforms back into himself.

Naruto vs Neji:

Naruto uses Kage Bunshin no jutsu and lets them attack Neji repeatedly and then Naruto lets one lone Kage Bunshin stay in the back and let's it get attacked by Neji who sees the Kage Bunshin no attacking and assumes it was the real Naruto. He realizes it's not and then the real Naruto attempts to attack and then Neji defends with Kaiten.

Naruto uses a Kage Bunshin to pretend it's the real him as Neji walks over and then it's the end of the battle but the real Naruto's really dug himself underground and he uses a super uppercut from the ground to attack Neji finally defeating him because Neji couldn't see under him

Naruto vs Gaara: Naruto uses his Kage Bunshin to create attacks to get around Gaara so he can stab the kunai into his weak point and then it goes off on Gaara. Then while he's weakened he uses Tajuu Kage Bunshin to attack Gaara until Gaara transforms

All of the fights show speed, skill and strategy. I haven't seen much that didn't or seen much at all. They atleast show something. Naruto vs Sasuke part 2 however was a transforming battle and that might be the only one.

- Yeah I guess you could say that but me personally I only see it as his own dreams rather then everyone else's since everyone else has a separate dream

[escamoh]

The thing I like about One Piece fights are that they're always different and fun to watch. The whole Devil Fruit thing makes them interesting. Like Enel's fight with Luffy where Luffy was immune to Enel's lightning and there's a ton more.

In Naruto, the fights seem repetative (with some exceptions, like Neji's fight against the Sound nin and Naruto vs Haku) because we've seen the jutsu a million times. A character stabs another character, either the stabbed guy is gonna be a buushin or kawarimi. It's too predictable sometimes imo.

[crazymtf]

^Each fight in One Piece is new as naruto gets. New ways to win but using the same moves except in the later chapters. In the begining Luffy just figures out a way to beat them, takes him awhile but he comes around, it isn't always by raw strength. He croc he had to use water to hurt him, smart thinking by him.

I don't remember any fight that naruto lost and didn't come back to except Orchrumaru *He's the MAIN enemy, it's like Mihawk for zoro in one piece* And sasuke *Cause sasuke and him are known rivals, it's like Goku Vs Vegeta except opposite, he goes bad unlike vegeta going good.* Naruto won almost every fight besides that.

Yes every character has a singnature move like kage and Resenga but atleast luffy uses different moves like Gum Gum No pistol, bazook, gallent gun, sythe and many more. It cool to see new moves and not the same moves over and over again like in naruto.

The kyubi thing isn't over yet, we all know he'll use it once again and this series will be like DBZ in terms of "Going Super Saiyan" Every time a strong enemy is upon us instead of using smarts like they use to do.

Your opinion is valid and you explained why you like it better and i accept that, glad you took the time to explain why :)

[Masaki]

Alright, you convinced me on those three fights. Now, what about the Sound Five battles? The only thing that counts is Kidoumaru attacking Neji's weak point, but Neji was too stupid and kept his freakin back turned.

[Kyuubi Naruto]

Alright, you convinced me on those three fights. Now, what about the Sound Five battles? The only thing that counts is Kidoumaru attacking Neji's weak point, but Neji was too stupid and kept his freakin back turned.

- Chouji vs Jiroubu was more of a strength battle to show how strong Chouji was, I'll give you that
- Kidoumaru vs Neji wasn't a standard brawl. It had tactics and strategy. A fight like that can't be a straight up brawl
- Shikamaru vs Tayuya was straight up tactics and strategy
- Kiba vs Ukon/Sakon was a weird tupe of battle so I can't categorize it
- Naruto vs Kimimaro was just Kimi taking out his clones. The only thing done on Naruto's part was Naruto sending the clones out to find out Kimimaro's strategy so that didn't do much.
- Kimimaro vs Lee was a speed and Taijutsu battle. It was pretty interesting when Lee got drunk
- Gaara vs Kimimaro was basically Gaara owning him until he went CS2

The Sound 5 battles were there to see how strong the kids have gotten.

^Each fight in One Piece is new as naruto gets. New ways to win but using the same moves except in the later chapters. In the begining Luffy just figures out a way to beat them, takes him awhile but he comes around, it isn't always by raw strength. He croc he had to use water to hurt him, smart thinking by him.

I don't remember any fight that naruto lost and didn't come back to except Orchrumaru *He's the MAIN enemy, it's like Mihawk for zoro in one piece* And sasuke *Cause sasuke and him are known rivals, it's like Goku Vs Vegeta except opposite, he goes bad unlike vegeta going good.* Naruto won almost every fight besides that.

Yes every character has a singnature move like kage and Resenga but atleast luffy uses different moves like Gum Gum No pistol, bazook, gallent gun, sythe and many more. It cool to see new moves and not the same moves over and over again like in naruto.

The kyubi thing isn't over yet, we all know he'll use it once again and this series will be like DBZ in terms of "Going Super Saiyan" Every time a strong enemy is upon us instead of using smarts like they use to do.

Your opinion is valid and you explained why you like it better and i accept that, glad you took the time to explain why :)

- Naruto lost against Kakashi and only this far in the manga he's finally coming back to surpass him.
- He lost against Orochimaru twice and during the second time he wasn't even in control.
- He's lost against Tsunade and he isn't stronger than her yet
- He technically lost against Sasuke twice and he isn't up to his strength yet but after this training session he will come back against him
- He technically lost against Kabuto because Kabuto stood up and was able to continue and he isn't stronger than Kabuto yet

Every other fight Naruto's been in hasn't been like this. He losses alot in this manga

Personally I don't think so. He won't be using it against Sasuke atleast. He realizes that Kyuubi isn't his own power and his own strength. Even if he could control Kyuubi he knows using it isn't the way now so the only way I can see him using Kyuubi is when Akatsuki is extracting Kyuubi and he's trying to stop the extraction. He's getting too strong already and using Kyuubi would be overkill on his opponents after this training session since he will be stronger than Kakashi after this is done. I don't think it will happen. There's no reason to transform when a stronger opponent appears because Orochimaru showed us no matter how many transformations you have you can still get your ass kicked by someone with straight up skill. Naruto's stopped using Kyuubi for good he said and Sasuke hasn't used the CS yet, I think that's pretty much it with the transformations and now it will go back to the old days.

As for Rasengan and KB, Naruto hasn't even gotten a chance to use different moves in the manga. Nowhere in part 2 has he gotten a true actual fight in the manga yet outside of using Kyuubi. So far it's been small confrontations. So far it's been his standard style. The guy hasn't really had a real fight and people expect him to use different jutsu when he doesn't need to so he sticks to his most used jutsu.

Anyway, that's all I have to say about that. :)

[crazymtf]

Still naruto is begining to bore me with this kyubi crap but like you said he won't use it so hopefully he won't.

[Tsuuga]

I agree with Kyuubi Naruto in that Naruto is more of an underdog. I always expect Luffy to win, but I'm always interested in how. I've always found the other Strawhats (especially Usopp and Nami) to be underdogs (except Sanji in some cases).

Actually, lately I haven't found Naruto fights to be too unpredictable. I guess it's been a dry spell for me, and I just need something to wake me up. I'm sure I'll find Naruto entertaining again, but after One Piece and other anime it's definitely lost its spark with me. This might change though because the current arc had a very good set up.

[Elijah Snow]

Kyuubi Naruto, you put up some great points, but there is one thing I must disagree with you. I just don't believe Naruto has better character development than One Piece. Naruto secondary characters have their moments, but after that what happens to them? What has happened to Ino, Anko, Ten Ten, Neji, Lee, etc. After their time in the sun we just don't really get to see more of them, which is a shame.

And to me, sure we expect Luffy to win, but I feel his fights are more exciting and filled with more emotion. I mean let's look at the fight with Crocodile, it took him 3 times to beat him, but you were never bored and each round had a heighten sense of danger and excitement. To me that fight alone almost trumps every fight we have seen in Naruto.

But don't take me as a hater, I love both series a lot and continue to read them, I just think One Piece is the superior series.

[Tsuuga]

Yeah, I can agree. It helps that the stakes are usually higher in One Piece (fate of Alabasta's citizens, fate of Skypeia) than those in Naruto (fate of Konoha was a pretty big deal, but doom wasn't imminent... in fact, Konoha whooped ass when it counterattacked).

[Rokudaime]

I never really like OP at the 1st place..even with the current chapter progress.I just continue read it for the sake of something.

Luffy's intelligence sometime really get my nerve actually..and Oda just love to randomly spoil the mood of the chapter actually..
Just look at the Robin scene..She feel relieve because she thought she save Straw Hat..and guess what? Oda just throw some cannon folder to use noodle to attack Sanji..I was like wtf! Even if it mean for humor..it just..I just cant accept it....

and I cant believe that you guys think Luffy is underdog...Luffy win more fight than Naruto can win ...heck, almost all powerful pirate/villain know Luffy existance for now. I bet once the current arc finished, he definitely going to become the most infamous person for sure and get ready to hunt by everyone.

[crazymtf]

^Not our fault naruto sucks :P

I mean Naruto Naruto, not the show, but fox boy.

[foxysurouni666]

Naruto is WAY better than OnePeice cause One Peice is just WEIRD and the style of drawing is weird too!!! Naruto is also more entertaining and violent!!!

[crazymtf]

Naruto is WAY better than OnePeice cause One Peice is just WEIRD and the style of drawing is weird too!!! Naruto is also more entertaining and violent!!!
Umm...WTF kinda post was this :laugh Seriously though violent? Guess you didn't see mihawk vs zoro and that's early :amuse

[Molekage]

@ foxy: HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

*breath*

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH! n00bs ftw

[Masaki]

I never really like OP at the 1st place..even with the current chapter progress.I just continue read it for the sake of something.

Luffy's intelligence sometime really get my nerve actually..and Oda just love to randomly spoil the mood of the chapter actually..
Just look at the Robin scene..She feel relieve because she thought she save Straw Hat..and guess what? Oda just throw some cannon folder to use noodle to attack Sanji..I was like wtf! Even if it mean for humor..it just..I just cant accept it....

and I cant believe that you guys think Luffy is underdog...Luffy win more fight than Naruto can win ...heck, almost all powerful pirate/villain know Luffy existance for now. I bet once the current arc finished, he definitely going to become the most infamous person for sure and get ready to hunt by everyone.

And Wanze caused Sanji's fighting style to develop.

Luffy lost to Smoker, Crocodile twice, Enel, and Aokiji. Naruto beat Gaara, and yet he could hardly do crap against any Sound Five member.

Also, all the Sound Five arc was was just "They run, Konoha follows. One Sound stays behind to fight one Konoha. Repeat process a few times."

[Supa Swag]

Naruto is WAY better than OnePeice cause One Peice is just WEIRD and the style of drawing is weird too!!! Naruto is also more entertaining and violent!!!

Arent you supposed to be in summer school?

[Ryphan]

Naruto is WAY better than OnePeice cause One Peice is just WEIRD and the style of drawing is weird too!!! Naruto is also more entertaining and violent!!!

Every time you post. You never cease to prove that you are a complete idiot.

and I cant believe that you guys think Luffy is underdog...Luffy win more fight than Naruto can win ...heck, almost all powerful pirate/villain know Luffy existance for now. I bet once the current arc finished, he definitely going to become the most infamous person for sure and get ready to hunt by everyone.

Luffy is an underdog, because he always fights people that are a lot stronger than he is. But through his sheer awesomeness, he is capable of surpassing even the strongest of opponents in the end. Perhaps underdog isn't the word, but Luffy always fights someone far stronger, and is capable of surpassing them with determination.

Look at Crocodile. It may have took him 3 battles... But this 30,000,000 Pirate defeated a Pirate with an 81,000,000 bounty. (It would have been more than double, had he not become a Shichibuki so early)

[Catterix]

I'm confused... Uhm.... Why the fook does this matter? :P

Who cares if something is better or not, its how much you like it that counts.

For example, one of my favourite animes is Naruto, but my god it is no way a brilliantly made story. The animation is inconsistent, the story twists unnaturally, characters suddenly leap out of the spotlight (Ala Hinata & Ino... What happened to them?!?!) and it often feels drawn out.

But since, when THE HELL has that ever mattered? Those aspects don't stop it from being one of my favourites, I personally think One Piece is better made than Naruto, but I don't like it more.

I hate this thing where your favourite thing has to be "The Best". Its kinda Pathetic in some ways, I guess it just depends on what you think's most important...

[Aman]

To me, Naruto and One Piece are good in different ways. Naruto having a better development for the main character for example and not being as predictable, while One Piece is better on other things, on giving many characters a good backstory for example.

I don't care, I love them both. <3

[crazymtf]

Aman...good background story? That would mean good deveolpment...lmao...


@Laz-E-Boy - Hey i'm in summer school too! :(

[Aman]

I am aware of that, I meant the two as the same thing aswell. What I meant was that Naruto has better character development on the main character while One Piece is good on having good, but not great development for every important character.

[Supa Swag]

Aman...good background story? That would mean good deveolpment...lmao...


@Laz-E-Boy - Hey i'm in summer school too! :(


:laugh

Just playin. I'm sure you got a good reason for it. The other dude though...just screams "Grade school punk".

[crazymtf]

:laugh

Just playin. I'm sure you got a good reason for it. The other dude though...just screams "Grade school punk".
Yeah i cut everyday during regular school :laugh

Aman - Ah i see...i disagree :amuse

[Masaki]

Who cares if something is better or not, its how much you like it that counts.


Actually, the original idea of this thread was to not only say why OP is better, but to also get more OP fans. And what's the best way to do that on a Naruto forum?

[kapsi]

On one hand I like OP for the cheerful feeling but on the other, it can't be serious. All villains are goofy and not threathening, no one dies etc.

[Masaki]

All villains are goofy and not threathening

Kuro, Krieg, Arlong, Crocodile, Enel, Lucci

[escamoh]

On one hand I like OP for the cheerful feeling but on the other, it can't be serious. All villains are goofy and not threathening, no one dies etc.

How far in One Piece are you?

[Ryphan]

On one hand I like OP for the cheerful feeling but on the other, it can't be serious. All villains are goofy and not threathening, no one dies etc.

I agree. Cause Arlong wasn't a racist who shot Nami's mom in the face.

[Masaki]

I agree. Cause Arlong wasn't a racist who shot Nami's mom in the face.

Indeed. Didn't he shoot her in the heart?

[Suzumebachi]

Kuro, Krieg, Arlong, Crocodile, Enel, Lucci

Take Lucci off that. His bird drinks whiskey.

[Supa Swag]

On one hand I like OP for the cheerful feeling but on the other, it can't be serious. All villains are goofy and not threathening, no one dies etc.


Yeah...no.

[Delta Shell]

Enel/Eneru and Croc were more threatening than a few Naruto villains.

[Tsuuga]

I found CP9 more threatening that any Naruto enemy, because of the superb build-up. Their betrayal completely surprised me, were seemingly invincible, and took Robin. That's "WTF" material right there. Their "goofy" designs (Blueno and Kaku) were neutralized by how dangerous they were.

[kapsi]

Well too bad they were just beaten like that now. I'm dissapointed how straw hats don't have any real problem beating them so far.

Kuro, Krieg, Arlong, Crocodile, Enel, Lucci
Kuro was pretty good, I agree, Krieg was a clown, Crocodile was also good but then covers kinda destroyed him, Enel is Eminem and Lucci didn't do anything particulary evil, save being a ventrioliquist (sp?). Arlong is the best one so far.

I also don't like not very subtle emotional moments with everyone crying and screaming.

[kapsi]

Oh and Luffy adjusts to villains power for some reason. The only time he was seen training was when he made those new powerups.

[Broleta]

Oh and Luffy adjusts to villains power for some reason. The only time he was seen training was when he made those new powerups.
That's because he gets pushed further and further as the story goes on, and the bond between himself and his crew strengthens with each arc. And we all know Luffy's power is dependant on what he's fighting for.
Or, it could be the whole will of the D thing.

[Sawako]

I agree with everything you said!

[Amatsu]

Not to mention that at least in One Piece background characters who aren't part of the main cast can still be important to the story. Unlike Naruto where the entire side cast got shafted to the side like what happened in Digimon Frontier.

Plus in all actuality the animation in One Piece is a whole lot better than Naruto's crappy animation style these days anime and manga wise.

[escamoh]

Yeah....Naruto's animation and drawing is ridiculously inconsistent...

[Raptor]

To make it short and easy. Even tough Naruto is a good manga, it's not fit to be on the same magazine than One Piece.

That's all there is to it.

[Elijah Snow]

^Stone cold man

[Tsuuga]

Naruto isn't nearly as epic as One Piece is. Naturally. I mean, they're ninja going on sneaking missions and then they go to their quaint little village. One Piece is sailing from landmass to landmass on a huge ocean and trying to stop civil wars, stop the World Government from destroying all pirates, etc.

[S.o.L]

To make it short and easy. Even tough Naruto is a good manga, it's not fit to be on the same magazine than One Piece.

That's all there is to it.

I agree that One Piece is better in certain areas than Naruto. I am also aware that the anime and manga of Naruto are completely overrated, but I think you took it a little to far saying that Naruto doesn't deserve to be in Shonen Jump Weekly. I mean Naruto is one of the top mangas in the world. Even though One Piece is still my favorite weekly manga. Yes I said weekly manga, because my favorite manga is Beck and that is a monthly manga.

[escamoh]

I agree with Raptor....One Piece is far ahead of Naruto.

Kishimoto is still a n00b lol.

[Raptor]

I agree that One Piece is better in certain areas than Naruto. I am also aware that the anime and manga of Naruto are completely overrated, but I think you took it a little to far saying that Naruto doesn't deserve to be in Shonen Jump Weekly. I mean Naruto is one of the top mangas in the world. Even though One Piece is still my favorite weekly manga. Yes I said weekly manga, because my favorite manga is Beck and that is a monthly manga.

When did I mentioned Shonen Jump I wonder? I mean the quality of it. heck if we talk about quality I'd only leave One Piece, Hellsing, Shakugan no Shana (If u haven't go kill urself), School Rumble, Fruits Basket and Elfen Lied only in Japan and to hell with the rest.

Naruto and Bleach began to suck with the "turn god in 3 days or a week" that's what I mean... Not that they are bad, but... they lost the charm they once had, still good but not "as" good.

OP is in every aspect far superior than the rest because each chapter is better than the last one. The story is great, varied, the characters all have unique personalities and traits, not to mention the deepness of each one of them. Heck i've been waiting for the Robin rescue for a year or so... No other manga has that unique feeling.

Basically, that's the idea of it. looking at it like that, I meant that I don't think there's any other manga at it's level right now. the "don't deserve to be on the same magazine" was just a metaphor to say: One Piece is the greatest manga in production right now

The ones I mentioned are close though. Some of them like Hellsing and Fruits Basket are slow, but amazing mangas.

[Molekage]

yeah, one piece's ability to be fairly linearly good (with positive slope) is amazing. the only time i really remember the meh setting in was foxy arc. there are many naruto arcs with the mehs... such as neji vs. naruto, finding tsunade, rescue sauce-gay, rescue sassy part 2...

[Raptor]

yeah, one piece's ability to be fairly linearly good (with positive slope) is amazing. the only time i really remember the meh setting in was foxy arc. there are many naruto arcs with the mehs... such as neji vs. naruto, finding tsunade, rescue sauce-gay, rescue sassy part 2...


How can you say that? Sure it wasn't as strong as Skypea, Alabasta or CP9, But nothing compares to the power of the Afro. :amuse

[Amatsu]

yeah, one piece's ability to be fairly linearly good (with positive slope) is amazing. the only time i really remember the meh setting in was foxy arc. there are many naruto arcs with the mehs... such as neji vs. naruto, finding tsunade, rescue sauce-gay, rescue sassy part 2...

I don't know. I thought the Foxy arc was good.

[Raptor]

I don't know. I thought the Foxy arc was good.

U see Mole? that's the power of Afro :nod

[Tsuuga]

The Davy Back fight was hilarious. I didn't care if it was as serious as the other arcs. The sheer badassery (and humor) of the Groggy Ring match with a Zoro and Sanji team up and Afro Luffy's fight with Foxy ("are you Pointy-Head's sister!??!") put it over the top for me.

[Molekage]

i guess i never read it in manga form, and it was in the weird gerusama.balf/hell fansub part. i've never fully watched it. but i just couldn't connect with it at all.

but afro luffy pwns all

[Tsuuga]

I watched the anime and like it a lot. Give it another try!

[Chiyo-chan]

Reasons why One Piece is better than Naruto:

- it´s more fun to watch the filler-eps in OP than in Naruto. The fillers
in Naruto are just boring.

- One Piece has stronger female characters with Nami and Nico Robin.

- the storyline in OP is better: it´s fun to watch when the Straw-Hat-crew
explore a new island, encounter new villains and find new friends.

- there are also lots of surprises - like for example the Usopp-Luffy-Fight.

[kapsi]

One Piece is a ripoff of any Japanese RPG game. They travel, have random encounters, find a location, do a quest there, beat up the bad boss, recruit a character, leave, repeat. Their adventures don't have anything to do with each oter. That's so great?

[Tsuuga]

You think J-RPGs started that? What about Greek epics like the Odyssey, or Roman ones like the Aeneid? Also, I fail to see how Naruto is so much more original than One Piece is.

They go on missions or have a tournament that's a complete rip-off of Hunter exams, have flashbacks, fight badguys, and go back home to Konoha (if they're not still in it). That's so great?

[Broleta]

Their adventures don't have anything to do with each oter. That's so great?
Tell me what big boss guy they beat at Water 7?
Water7 is directly related to Enies Lobby, they are almost one arc (Rescue Robin).
Skypiea and Jaya are part of 1 big arc.
Little Garden-Drum-Arabasta are all part of the one big arc.
All the arcs in East Blue are like an introduction.

[Amatsu]

You think J-RPGs started that? What about Greek epics like the Odyssey, or Roman ones like the Aeneid? Also, I fail to see how Naruto is so much more original than One Piece is.

They go on missions or have a tournament that's a complete rip-off of Hunter exams, have flashbacks, fight badguys, and go back home to Konoha (if they're not still in it). That's so great?

Yeah I agree with that but also even if One Piece is like an RPG that definately makes it better than Naruto. Heck what would Naruto be? A ripoff of Street Fighter?

[Kool ka lang]

wow. I actually read through all of that, (yes, I have no life)

I feel kind of sorry for the people who don't like certain series just because, they're missing out on an adventure that many other people enjoy reading/watching, and love.

When reading manga and watching anime, I don't come into it with it having to prove anything. I just enjoy the ride. That's all there is to liking it.

[mortsleam]

One piece is far better than naruto.
Music- Good music i say personal, they make me listen to the openings and endings.
Humor- There humor is outstanding makes me giggle all the time from Luffy's mood switch from idiot - to strong ass man.
Plot- They get right to the plot, and still they are no 50+ anime there 300+ anime. Its brillant.
Filler's- Their filler's are far more exciting than Bleach's and bleach got good fillers.
Character design - Great character disign, every character looks differant talks differant.
Will come back later to explain more, gotta go.

[Hitomi_No_Ryu]

One thing that makes OP absolutely unique to me is the fact Luffy will not stand for any wangsting when you're in his presence.

Luffy doesn't really know anything about what his crew members did before they joined him. Everything's on a need-to-know basis for him. He does not need nor care about the details of your past 'oh poor old me' moments. If you have a problem, just say who or what is the cause of the problem and he'll will take care of it from there.

As long as Luffy sees you as someone who is worth helping, Luffy will risk his life for you!!

[Masaki]

One thing that makes OP absolutely unique to me is the fact Luffy will not stand for any wangsting when you're in his presence.

Luffy doesn't really know anything about what his crew members did before they joined him. Everything's on a need-to-know basis for him. He does not need nor care about the details of your past 'oh poor old me' moments. If you have a problem, just say who or what is the cause of the problem and he'll will take care of it from there.

As long as Luffy sees you as someone who is worth helping, Luffy will risk his life for you!!

Truer words have never been spoken.

[Chi]

Well.. I don't know how you intend to attract more people to One Piece with such a thread.
Especially when people come here and post somth like "ZOMG! Naruto is crap", or "Kishimoto is a n00b".

This whole discussing is also like backstabbing someone. You post it in this section where everyone is a One Piece fan, so you can't actually expect clear logical reasonings. Just a lot of bias.
Sorry, but only looses, who can prove their superiority only among themselves, do like that. Go post this thread in the battle dome section.

Anyway.. It's all the matter of opinion/taste. Saying that one show is better than other, is like saying that one's opinion/taste is better than other's..

One Piece isn't my favorite manga. Nor is Naruto, but really.. Sometimes I'm just not glad that One Piece community grown so much and we starting to have some retarded topics, like "Bleach Avenue" once had..

No offence to some One Piece fans, but you need to think with your brains sometimes..

[Arroniro Arleri]

Well.. I don't know how you intend to attract more people to One Piece with such a thread.
Especially when people come here and post somth like "ZOMG! Naruto is crap", or "Kishimoto is a n00b".

This whole discussing is also like backstabbing someone. You post it in this section where everyone is a One Piece fan, so you can't actually expect clear logical reasonings. Just a lot of bias.
Sorry, but only looses, who can prove their superiority only among themselves, do like that. Go post this thread in the battle dome section.

Anyway.. It's all the matter of opinion/taste. Saying that one show is better than other, is like saying that one's opinion/taste is better than other's..

One Piece isn't my favorite manga. Nor is Naruto, but really.. Sometimes I'm just not glad that One Piece community grown so much and we starting to have some retarded topics, like "Bleach Avenue" once had..

No offence to some One Piece fans, but you need to think with your brains sometimes..QFT!:nod Who cares which is better?

[Raptor]

Well.. I don't know how you intend to attract more people to One Piece with such a thread.
Especially when people come here and post somth like "ZOMG! Naruto is crap", or "Kishimoto is a n00b".

This whole discussing is also like backstabbing someone. You post it in this section where everyone is a One Piece fan, so you can't actually expect clear logical reasonings. Just a lot of bias.
Sorry, but only looses, who can prove their superiority only among themselves, do like that. Go post this thread in the battle dome section.

Anyway.. It's all the matter of opinion/taste. Saying that one show is better than other, is like saying that one's opinion/taste is better than other's..

One Piece isn't my favorite manga. Nor is Naruto, but really.. Sometimes I'm just not glad that One Piece community grown so much and we starting to have some retarded topics, like "Bleach Avenue" once had..

No offence to some One Piece fans, but you need to think with your brains sometimes..


U shouldn't measure everyone the same way. Yes it's up to tastes. there are reasons why people like it or dislike it, like everything in life. U can't really please anyone.

Mostly it's up to what most people like. Why do I like it more than Naruto?? I said so once, and I believe it's reasonable why. of course there will be some people who will hate it for the same reasons.

Now about the "need to think with brains" part, tell me one part of this forum where noobs don't appear, I would like to meet it. U don't like it, just don't post in it, so everyone is happy. This isn't a war, or a flame tread. it's just to post opinions. Yes I agree that saying "Kishi is a noob" isn't reasonable. but it's a person opinion at the end.

[Masaki]

QFT!:nod Who cares which is better?

The fans who hate it when people give up One Piece in the first 20 episodes because they don't like a small aspect of it. If they're on NF, and they just happen to see this thread on the front page after a post, they may consider a click.

[crazymtf]

Well.. I don't know how you intend to attract more people to One Piece with such a thread.
Especially when people come here and post somth like "ZOMG! Naruto is crap", or "Kishimoto is a n00b".

This whole discussing is also like backstabbing someone. You post it in this section where everyone is a One Piece fan, so you can't actually expect clear logical reasonings. Just a lot of bias.
Sorry, but only looses, who can prove their superiority only among themselves, do like that. Go post this thread in the battle dome section.

Anyway.. It's all the matter of opinion/taste. Saying that one show is better than other, is like saying that one's opinion/taste is better than other's..

One Piece isn't my favorite manga. Nor is Naruto, but really.. Sometimes I'm just not glad that One Piece community grown so much and we starting to have some retarded topics, like "Bleach Avenue" once had..

No offence to some One Piece fans, but you need to think with your brains sometimes..
Liking somthing more and saying why is fine. Not many people who liked one piece said NARUTO sucked, they said they liked one piece cause of better music, arcs, fillers and so on. It's fine to say that since it's there opinion. If somone said "One Piece Sucks" or "Naruto Sucks" That's diferent since it's more like a statement then a opinion. And i do use my brain thank you very much.

[escamoh]

Just to let you guys know.....when I said Kishi was a noob I was joking.

I didn't think so many people would take it seriously :oh

[Molekage]

he is a n00b. realtive to oda timewise :)

[RugaRell]

i never thought i would find anything better than naruto then i started watching one piece the other day :O its far better in alot of ways but mostly i would say cuz the fillers are actually enjoyable to watch in one piece