Smoker vs Enel

[Hype]

We don't have a battledome thread "yet" thats something I'm working on :thumbs

So this is the logical section for battle's at the moment. This is a battle I have no idea on the outcome and one of the most difficult dicission's to make.

Enel sometimes refered to as Eneru

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Enel facts

Enel has eaten the Goro Goro Fruit "Thunder Thunder fruit"
This allows him to have complete control over electricity
He can control the form and voltage of the electricity
He also posses the ability to become pure electricity
Enel also has Mantra "the ability to predict his oppenents attacks"


VS.

Catain Smoker also known as chaser gay 4kids

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Smoker facts

Smoking kills .... sorry about that it slipped in
Smoker has eaten the Moku-Moku fruit "Smoke Smoke fruit"
It allows his to create smoke based attacks
It also allows his entire body to become smoke
Only 2 pirates have ever escaped from him which are Luffy and Ace
Because of his Moku-Moku powers somker appears to have no apparent weakness acept for maybe a nicotine patch but this is still speculation :nuts

So two very powerfull Logia type characters who gets the victory here or do they simply cancel each other out ...

[Molekage]

hm.... what is smoker's smoke made out of? carbon derivatives? or is it more like steam?

in any case, probably enel, cause it think enel's electricity could shock smoker's smoke. if there is carbon monoxide in the smoke, there are free electrons and therefore conduction (i think)

[crazymtf]

Enel, cause he's the anime slim shady! :P Plus i like him better :)

[d.Lughie]

Wow.. its difficult..bcoz the 2 are logias..

however.. as we haven't seen enough of Smoker and his abilities.. I'd say Enel would win.. >.<

[Molekage]

smoker is more manly. enel's all metro without the shirt and dressing all exotic. smoker... smokes not one, but TWO cigars! woot.

[Hype]

Lol I knew this would come down to a popularity contest :P

[Skoemie]

Smoker has eaten the moku-moku fruit (moku is ukom (smoke) backwards) so he is made of clouds only he uses it like smoke... I think that clouds can handle lightning so smoker wins

[Kisame]

Enel has mantra.

he would know Smoker has a seastone and his powers.

It would be a tie imo as smoker wouldn't be able to get close.

[underdogdlx]

Enel would win.
Like Kisame said, Enel has mantra. He can predict what Smoker is going to do. Therefore smoker is gonna spend a lot more energy just trying to get in an attack than Enel is avoiding said attack. Even if enel cant Zap him, he'd win the endurance battle.

[Valdens]

This thread is FLOWING with down syndrome. Smoker takes this....

Enel could do nothing to Smoker, whereas Smoker can actually harm Enel...

Enel would have to use more energy than Smoker running away, and would eventually collapse from exhaustion, then Smoker comes in the the Seastone and kicks ass.

Either that scenario or...

Smoker NEVER catches Enel and it eds in a draw.

[d.Lughie]

Why does Enel takes more Energy than Smoker? They both are Logia user...

[underdogdlx]

This thread is FLOWING with down syndrome. Smoker takes this....

Enel could do nothing to Smoker, whereas Smoker can actually harm Enel...

Enel would have to use more energy than Smoker running away, and would eventually collapse from exhaustion, then Smoker comes in the the Seastone and kicks ass.

Either that scenario or...

Smoker NEVER catches Enel and it eds in a draw.

Ok, if you KNOW what's coming at you, it is incredibly simple and easy to avoid, for the most part. If someone throws a punch at you (for example) and you can see it coming a mile away, it is far less effort to move the 6 inches and dodge the punch, than it is to put all that effort into said punch. Attacking is usually far more tiring than defending. So long as you can avoid the attacks anyway.
With that said, I should clarify my last post a bit. What really would decide the outcome would be the reason for the fight. If Enel, for whatever Reason, is trying to Take Smoker Down, then it would probably be a draw, or Smoker would win. If Smoker was meaning to capture or kill Enel, then Enel would win. It really depends on the reasons behind the fight and what would be considered 'winning'.

[Valdens]

It can be assumed that lightning would take more power to control than smoker would.

[Valdens]

It can be assumed lightning would take more energy to control than smoke.

[Pimp of Pimps]

Smoker takes this.

a.) It is speculated that there is a way to harm a logia without exposing their weakness. And this would make sense considering the Databook statment about Mihawk and that the strongest in the world presumabley aren't logias.

b.) Smoker is too fast for Enel. He may know it is coming, but he won't be able to react. We saw smokers speed when Luffy tried to fight him. It is comparable to W7 Luffy.

c.) Smoker is physiccaly strong. He took quite a few hits from Luffy quite easily.

d.) Smoker is thought to be Admiral level. He is most likley far above any captian and he knows Ao-kiji.

e.) We know he can harm Enel. He has a seastone tipped weapon.

f.) It is unknown if elictricity would harn snoker.

[Molekage]

^octagon, awesome point. i forgot about his seastone weapon. however, it would still be hard to get a hit off with enel's mantra, but if that goes through, its curtains for enel.

[Envy]

Electricity > Smoke ( In terms of speed ). I say it's a tie.

[Pimp of Pimps]

Electricity > Smoke ( In terms of speed ). I say it's a tie.

If you put it like that, yes. but Smoker is probaley one of the top dogs in one piece. Enel might go as fast a lighting, but there are people in OP much, much faster than that. We don't know how fast smoker is physiccaly. He could be much faster than luffy is now.

[underdogdlx]

It can be assumed that lightning would take more power to control than smoker would.
I would hazard a guess that each logia takes about as much energy to 'control' as the next. Maybe if someone JUST got their DF then it would take more energy as it is still unfamiliar to them.... but neither Enel or Smoker have that problem.

@Octogon: not bad, but remember that Enel is Lightning. He can move at the speed of light if neccessary, since he can become electricity.

[Kisame]

@Octogon: not bad, but remember that Enel is Lightning. He can move at the speed of light if neccessary, since he can become electricity.

electricity != light...

[Pimp of Pimps]

@Octogon: not bad, but remember that Enel is Lightning. He can move at the speed of light if neccessary, since he can become electricity.

No. Enel moves at the speed of electricity, there is a huge differance. And that's only if he has something to conduct through.

Light = 670,616,629.384 MPH

Lighting = 93,000 MPS

[d.Lughie]

can we assume he moves at the speed of lightning??

[Molekage]

however, in a medium with more particles (ie smoker's smoke), enel should be able to move quicker...

[Pimp of Pimps]

can we assume he moves at the speed of lightning??

I guess. but I doubt he can use that speed to his full potiental during battle.

[d.Lughie]

I guess. but I doubt he can use that speed to his full potiental during battle.


why is that so?? there isn't a thing that holds him back.... >.<

[Envy]

Smoke needs something to move it, if there isn't it's hella slow. But then again, Smoker's smoke is powered by his will. Either way, it's not faster tha nelectricty, and electricity =/= Light. Lol.

[underdogdlx]

Smoke needs something to move it, if there isn't it's hella slow. But then again, Smoker's smoke is powered by his will. Either way, it's not faster tha nelectricty, and electricity =/= Light. Lol.
Yeah, my bad about the speed of light thing, sorry. I still say he's faster than smoker, though.

[Hype]

Well we have seen Smoker avoiding Luffys attacks so he has some fast reflexes thats for sure.

I would class Enel as far faster though we have seen him virtually teleport from place to place during his battle with Luffy

[Pimp of Pimps]

Well we have seen Smoker avoiding Luffys attacks so he has some fast reflexes thats for sure.

I would class Enel as far faster though we have seen him virtually teleport from place to place during his battle with Luffy

I agree that from what we have seen enel is faster. But I'm sure what we sa of smokers speed was nowhere near his max. Remember Mihawk jumping from his boat to krieg's? Based on that Mihawk is slower than enel, but we all know Mihawk can own enel in speed.

Also remember Enel is not physically fast. Enel does not have the liberty of using speed to increase the power of his attacks.

[Aman]

We haven't seen much from Smoker, but based of what he's done and at what point he appeared in the manga, I'd say Eneru would win.

[Valdens]

You guys are avoiding the main point...

Smoker Can harm Enel, but Enel Cant harm Smoker. If Enel runs away, then thats considered him losing the battle.

[Code]

No. Enel moves at the speed of electricity, there is a huge differance. And that's only if he has something to conduct through.

Light = 670,616,629.384 MPH

Lighting = 93,000 MPS


He moves at the speed of lightning, blatantly stated by Nami.


Nami: {We could hear the thunder...!! Proof that the air has expanded with the speed of sound...!! That's how much... HEAT there
is!!!}
The scale of his energy is overwhelming...
He IS lightning itself...!!
She notes how when he moves, it creates thunder.

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Ener: Yahaha.
You thought you could move faster than lightning?

This clearly states he moves at the speed of lightning.

Lightning itself varies, though it's capable of moving 93,000 miles per second (but usually moves less I think), light moving at speeds of 186,000 miles per second.

Either way in regards to this battle, well. I'm leaning towards Smoker. Though the thing is we haven't seen much from him, aside from Sanji being trash to him, while Luffy is the same, but at least he's not just tossed aside easily (as that wouldn't work due to his body I suppose.) So I doubt he has exerted himself even a fraction of his full power, so he could very well be much stronger than Enel. On the other hand, he may not be. Though I think it's possible, considering how I'm sure his "big battle" will be saved for much later, when the opposition (Strawhats or someone else) are much stronger. In terms of speed, Luffy was able to get the upper hand on Enel at times, and Calipha, weakest of CP9, made it clear that lightning speed isn't much when nto caught off gaurd. Sanji was proven to be much faster than her. So it depends on how the Strawhats compare to Smoker now. Though in Alabasta, it couldn't even be considered a battle against him.

Though that's not taking into account how one can effect the other I suppose...

[Pimp of Pimps]

He moves at the speed of light, blatantly stated by Nami.


She notes how when he moves, it creates thunder.

He moves at the speed of lighting (A.K.A electricity)


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[Valdens]

When Code doesnt debate something is truly wrong.

[Jotun]

Well the real question is, How would Enel hurt Smoker?

Smoker has his weapon and Enel could dodge predict or w/e, but all it takes is one hit basically from Smokers weapon.

I say Smoker takes it. Running away is not winning.

[Seitoukaichou]

Enel showed that he could completly annihilate Angel Beach, and a good chunk of Sky Island. Now, what was it all? Oh yes CLOUD <.<" And not your average cloud. Hard Cloud, Soft cloud, Building cloud, Sea Cloud, Normal Cloud... everything!
So the problem is: Smoker has basically the same consistence. Do you really want to find out what is left from him, after such a attack? If he could really survive this, then we have the same problem as always with Elemental-Logia DF. He cancelled himself out with Ace already. And since Enel has the Mantra, it's even more unlikekly that he would get hit.

So basically it's Enel = Smoker. Or if the Cloud theory is true it's Enel >>> Smoker oO"

[Ifurita's Fan]

All things being equal, I'll say Smoker would win if he does what he normally does, which is "play it smart"

The problem with Enel is that he's arogant.

Enel thinks that he is a god, and would make the critical mistake of giving Smoker a first shot.

That's the key here. With the mantra ability, Enel's got a huge hand to hand advantage. And while I think that smoker would eventually figure out how to use random swipes with the stick to hit him, that still makes it hard to beat him.

However, if enel plays it true to form, he'd act all cocky at first and let him have a minute or two of unresisted attacks, just like he did in the Skypeia arc for the islander guy. If that happened, Smoker would get that first hit in with the sea stone stick... and that's all she wrote for slim shadey.

Smoker would smack him with the stick, face plant him, and then apply the stick to the back of enel's head with vigor. Since it drains powers, and Enel has so much skin exposes that would give it plenty of contact, he'd lose his ability to turn to electricity.

Smoker could then suffocate him at his leisure if needed.

But, if it's a straight up serios battle with no first free hit... it's pretty equal except for Smoker having that stick of his. If the stick touches the electricity, it's likely it'd just negate any attack that Enel makes.

The stick is the decider in my opinion. If Enel can beat the stick he's got a better than even chance to win. If he can't, the stick would eventually incapacitate him, and Smoker would move in for the kill.

Besides, Smoker is just dead sexy in a Kisame sort of way. Kisame and Smoker are likely drinking and poker budies in the after hours Manga character saloon. Both have big nasty weapons that negate stuff strapped to their back.

[crazymtf]

Enel cause he would win because i said so :)

[Ifurita's Fan]

Oh yeah, one other thing.

i know that Mantra lets you read your opponent's moves, but I don't think that it informs you of what they can do.

If so, then he might know that Smoker is going to swing the stick at him, but he might not know what the stick would do.

For example, Enel was VERY surprised that Luffy could ignore his electrical attacks.

Likewise, he might know that the staff has Seastone in it, but not necessarily know what it would do. If he didn't know what it would do, then he'd get munched by it.

[notme]

Smoker would win. IIRC, Enel has never seen seastone and he would have no idea what Smoker's weapon would be capable of. Even if he did know though, there is no way that he could hurt Smoker, while Smoker could hit him once with seastone and end it.

Also, mantra works by listening to the body right? When Smoker is using his abilities though he doesn't have a normal body. Because of this, IMO, Enel's mantra would not be effective against Smoker (or any logia user really).

[Nami-swan]

Enel and his hammer pants!!

[Fangren]

Smoker is so much of a badass, he could win just by looking at Enel.

[Hef]

I'm just thinking there might be a reason why we haven't seen Smoker really fight yet. He's captured some criminals and had a few short brawls, but we haven't seen him use his power to its fullest extent. Usually in shounen that means the guy is really strong.

That's just a shot in the dark, though, but I'd still say Smoker would take this. :bees

[kapsi]

It's the OP way: show a person and then forget about them for 300 chapters.

[Suzumebachi]

It's the OP way: show a person and then forget about them for 300 chapters.

Cover stories? Do you read them? WTF dude.

[Mojim]

Can smoke hurt by lightning? and btw are Enel and Smoker has the same type Devil Fruit power? (You know the Loghia and....sorry the other one i don't remember :()

[escamoh]

It's a tie imo.

[Suzumebachi]

Can a smoke hurt by lightning? and btw are Enel and Smoker has the same type Devil Fruit power? (You know the Loghia and....sorry the other one i don't remember :()

Yes indeed, but can lightning hurt smoke?

I still say Smoker wins because of his Seastone.

[escamoh]

I forgot about that seastone....

But Enel has mantra he can predict Smoker's attacks.

[Mojim]

If both of them can't be hurt,what good is mantra?
This fight seems like a tie to me though.

[Tsuuga]

It's the OP way: show a person and then forget about them for 300 chapters.

I wonder how Tazuna's doing.

[escamoh]

If both of them can't be hurt,what good is mantra?
This fight seems like a tie to me though.

Yeah that is true but I meant mantra as a counter to Smoker's seastone.

[Mojim]

I'm not to sure about the mantra esca :(,but all i know is Seastone can cancel out Devil Fruit powers and the Seastone only works upon direct and constant contact.

Btw,when he fought with Luffy,did Enel use mantra all the time while he was fighthing? I don't think so though.It can happen with this fight to,i think.This is just my thoughts,ok. ^_^

[Hype]

Thread revival no justu :amazed

[dragonofraven]

*sigh* You guys really know nothing about mantra, do you?
Mantra is a form of extreme hearing, by listening to a person's muscles, they can predict how they move. Ener would be able to predict what he does physically, but by going into his smoke form, he cancels the mantra out. I don't think that Ener can predict how smoke moves by the sounds it makes, since he hasn't exactly faced it before, plus the noise wouldn't be like that of muscles.
Now, we don't truly know how skilled Smoker is, but I've always been favoring the idea of him being a lot stronger than we've seen(I'm actually guessing that, even at the level he's at, Luffy would still lose to him nowadays... of course, not as hard as he would have before). So, he's probably got some nice speed to him, so he could easily dodge Ener's blasts of electricity.
So, here's how it goes, after Smoker learns of the mantra, he starts using a lot of smoke moves, at many points going into pure smoke form and flying around the area, smashing smoke into Ener and occasionally popping out of the smoke to smack him with his jitte. My guess is that the lightning would hurt the smoke and the smoke would hurt the lightning, as they are both nonphysical attacks and would bypass each person's invulnerability, just at varying degrees of pain.
So, my guess, Smoker probably has more control of his powers than Ener and just more plain skill, and would most likely win.

[kapsi]

Cover stories? Do you read them? WTF dude.
It's not like they have anything to do with the main story (maybe except Buggy and that chick)