Bias Of The Battledome Community?

[Valdens]

Heres an example. Everyone in the battledome knows that One Piece>Naruto, right? Yes. So, knowing that everyone thinks that, Poster A looks into the thread (with no replies) Sanji vs Kyubbi. Rather than thinking of the battle, of which most people would actually agree Kyubbi wins, Poster A thinks...

"Hm, i dont want to disagree with the majority of the forum, because they say One Piece is strong, and if i dont agree with that, theres a possibility ill get flamed or negged! *Votes for Sanji* "

Im sure youve been into a battle where you couldnt decide who wins, then chose out of fanboyism. And i suspect this takes place in forming ideals of the battledome. For all anyone (who wasnt there) knows, the battledomes loving of One Piece may have very well started with a single member overrating it, then another following, and the same, until it became the majorities thoughts. Notice this does not apply only to One Piece, but this is definitely one of the major players in this.

I think redefining some battledome suspicions and opinions might prevent this in the future, and with a battledome thats nowhere as close to as good as it used to be, i think that would help. :)

[Reznor]

Too some extent, I think that some things are obivious.

On the other hand, too many things are treated as obvious that should be up for debate.

[Gunners]

What are you talking about Sanji would whoop kyuubi :p, you don't see those huge monsters he can just kick down. ( sarcasm).

Yeh i somewhat see what you mean with it, like there are some weak characters of a respective verse yet people will think X automatically.

Example rasengan vs Kamehameha i made BOTH HAVE THE SAME POWER. ''omg one can blow up a planet one scratches someone''.

This turned to a semi rant.

[CrazyMoronX]

I'm only biased in Juggernaut fights.

Everything else, I am 100% objective with, or at least try to be. But I know what you mean, people in the OB are retarded.

Everyone automatically assumes Marvel > manga/anime/anything else.

Take the recent X-men vs Naruto thread. Everyone just jumped to "lol xmen win", and even included mutants that WERE NOT IN THE FUCKING FIGHT AT ALL! They don't even bother reading the first post anymore. I came in there objectively, and saw that X-Men baddies won, but it wasn't 100% one-sided, Naruto's team landed a lot of kills.

There is really only one solution. Making the OB private, like the bath house. To enter, you have to pass a series of objectivity tests.

[Endless Mike]

Sanji could easily beat QB.

[Scorpio3.14]

Yes, there is a huge One Piece bias in the Battledome. Ive been semi-fighting it for some time now but it seems to be utterly useless. Still, things like Chopper vs the Narutoverse and there are many serious people thinking Chopper can take the entire Narutoverse just piss me off. Then there are people who say stuff like Nami>>Tsunade or Ussop>>Sandaime or crap like that. The One Piece bias is getting ridiculous.

[Kisame]

Nami is greater than tsunade O.o

[Spacey]

I think people just have a general difficulty in admiting when they're wrong out of 200 posts maybe 1 of them the guy actually admitet being wrong

[Kagutsuchi]

Every1 all knows that Itachi > Most anime characters

[Takuza]

Onepiece is jsut a strange inconnsetant show. Nami deflects lightening at onepoint. DEFLECTS, as in sees it, and hits it to move it out of the way. SHe does this serveral times in a row ( or it is implied that she did it serveral times, it only showed once ).If you us this as a example.......

NAMI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tsunada.

It is theese kind of things that create the OP bais imo. Small unimportant feats in the series that show are actually quite amazing ( superman anyone? ).

[Kisame]

Nami also beats a soru user and took several of her hits. Thats far greater than Tsunade imo.

[Scorpio3.14]

Onepiece is jsut a strange inconnsetant show. Nami deflects lightening at onepoint. DEFLECTS, as in sees it, and hits it to move it out of the way. SHe does this serveral times in a row ( or it is implied that she did it serveral times, it only showed once ).

When was this?

Nami also beats a soru user and took several of her hits. Thats far greater than Tsunade imo.

A Soru user that was stated in the manga to be playing with her. Can you honestly tell me that Nami wouldnt be dead in the first few seconds of the fight if Kalifa was serious about killing her?

[Takuza]

I didn't say the soru user thing, though it is a fairly good point. I'll edit the link of when nami deflected lightening into this post in a few minutes.

here it is: http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemanga/onepiecechapter283.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=5428

[Code]

Well might be a bit off the original intention of the topic, but I don't think there's a One Piece bias. Not that there are not some people biased towards One Piece winning, there are a few people who argue for One Piece in probably nearly all One Piece battledome threads created, only occasionaly against it. It might be because that would be the result of the said battle, not neccessaqrily a bias. I doubt you can point out a majority or even a large number of people making One Piece biased post as opposed to other biases. In fact I've seen plenty of people understimated One Piece quite often in most threads. So I doubt the "bias" favoring it is any more than the bias "against" it. The only problem I see is creating plenty of threads where the One Piece side is usually cleary the winner. (Though I suppose I may have come across as overly favoring One Piece by saying that...)

I'd say there is more of a bias towards certain aspects of Naruto. For example, Genjutsu, I've seen too many Genjusu > All, along with a bias towards ninjas. Such as Ninjas are much more skilled than [Insert Opposition]. The same would go for Nen "Attacks"(not other aspects of Nen) in Hunter x Hunter. The latter being a far greater bias than any bias towards One Piece, then again I seem to be the only one who doesn't believe in it being non-instantaneous 100% kill, so it could be viewed as me not agreeing with something as opposed to there being a favortism towards it.

[Suzumebachi]

Yes, there is a huge One Piece bias in the Battledome. Ive been semi-fighting it for some time now but it seems to be utterly useless. Still, things like Chopper vs the Narutoverse and there are many serious people thinking Chopper can take the entire Narutoverse just piss me off. Then there are people who say stuff like Nami>>Tsunade or Ussop>>Sandaime or crap like that. The One Piece bias is getting ridiculous.


I've seen what you write, and your fight against bias has degenerated into nothing more but bias on your part. Someone fucking make the Tsunade vs Nami thread to prove him wrong. If you would actually read the threads, NO ONE said that Chopper could beat the entire Naruto universe you fool. NOT A SINGLE PERSON!


A Soru user that was stated in the manga to be playing with her. Can you honestly tell me that Nami wouldnt be dead in the first few seconds of the fight if Kalifa was serious about killing her?


Yes I can.

People bring up stupid stuff to make One Piece lose all the time. Like Luffy takes too long to say Gomu Gomu, so ninja kill him because they go fast. Then those guys get in fights with with the other guys saying genjutsu only works on Naruto guys. Well, you know what? EVERYONE is biased....except for Code.

I'm a bit biased against Bleach because I dont like it. Kon is NOT funny...

[Fenix]

Bias exsists in this world!? IMPOSSIBLE

Well, you're gonna run into these kind of things all the time.

I mean, if someone goes into a Konohamaru vs. Superman Prime thread and posts a two word reply "Konohamaru wins"...big deal? :) People can believe whatever they want IMO. For every 10 one liners, you get one or two good debaters who enjoy presenting facts and make an interesting argument. So it's all good -_-

[Scorpio3.14]

I didn't say the soru user thing, though it is a fairly good point. I'll edit the link of when nami deflected lightening into this post in a few minutes.

here it is: http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemanga/onepiecechapter283.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=5428

Sorry, that was a misquote. I will fix that.

Thanks for the pic, I wasnt sure what you were talking about but now I remember. I was thinking it was Nami's attack since its an actual lightning bolt where as Eneru's attacks are just Lightning/Electricity based.

However, I think it should be noted that electrical attacks dont necisarily move at the speed of lightning. Lighting is an extreme electrical discharge that has huge voltage and huge amps behind it. In manga and comics lots of people use electrical attacks, they dont necisarily move at the same speed as lightning. Spiderman has an fought electrical shooting enemys and has outright dodged his bolts on several occasions. Yusuke at the beginning of YYH was blocking and dodgeing multiple lightning attacks from Suzaku. Kakashi from Naruto has suposedly cut a lightning bolt in half in midair (thought to be a Raiton attack). Unless it comes from a cloud in the sky, I dont think you can really classify it as lightning. Also, the fact that the attacks dont act anything like real life electrical discharges is another reason.

If you would actually read the threads, NO ONE said that Chopper could beat the entire Naruto universe you fool. NOT A SINGLE PERSON!

Hinata's Fan did in the first post...

Yes I can.

Then you should probably go back and read the fight again. Do you not remember Nami on the ground unable to move and Kalifa was taking a bath? Thanks for proving my point :P

I'd say there is more of a bias towards certain aspects of Naruto. For example, Genjutsu, I've seen too many Genjusu > All, along with a bias towards ninjas. Such as Ninjas are much more skilled than [Insert Opposition].

are you really serious about Naruto ninja being over estimated? If anything they are extremely underestimated a lot of the time in the Battle Dome IMO. Its almost as if people are afraid to support Naruto characters in fear of being labeled a fanboy since this is a Naruto site.

The Genjutsu thing really comes down to whether or not you believe people outside of Naruto have chakra circulatory systems and if Genjutsu should affect people outside of Naruto. Idk if thats so much of a bias thing as a technical issue of the Battleground that always comes up when you mix fictional universes together.

The same would go for Nen "Attacks"(not other aspects of Nen) in Hunter x Hunter. The latter being a far greater bias than any bias towards One Piece, then again I seem to be the only one who doesn't believe in it being non-instantaneous 100% kill, so it could be viewed as me not agreeing with something as opposed to there being a favortism towards it.

Actually I have said before that nen baptism isnt an instant kill attack and that it probably could be blocked with energies other then nen (like Ki or whatever). You arnt the only one on those two points, but I still think you are underestimateing how deadly it is if you cant protect against it :P

[Genis-Vell]

Ill admit I am bias when it comes to Xenogears, and Saint Seiya. Other then those two my opinions come from a clear un-bias mind.

Here is a list of (games, mangas, and comics) I love to death.

Fravirote Comic Chatacters
Lobo
Ghost Rider
Magneto
Cable

Favorite Mangas
Saint Seiya
Cowboy Bebop
RK
Full Metal Alchemist

Favorite Games
Xenogears
Casltevania (SOTN, Turbo Dou version, and Gameboy versions)
Sukidon (1 &2)
Shining Force
FFT
BOF (3 & 4)

[Comic Book Guy]

Sitting on a bench. Gonig up after this post.

I am a Cassandra Cain fanboy. My sig carries it.

Characters I know extremely, extremely well are Cassandra and Nate Grey.

Other areas of knowledge are

COMICS
X-Men & Mutants in general
Superman
DC Martial Artists
Batman & co.
Final Fantasy VII & VIII
Preacher
The Sandman
DC & Marvel Cosmics
"Jesus" Cable
Summers/Grey family and lineage
Most Powerful Mutants

GAMES
Devil May Cry series
Resident Evil/Biohazard
Street Fighter
King of Fighters
Metal Gear series

MOVIES/ANIME/TV SHOW
The Ring & Ringu series
Star Wars (and a bit of NJO)
Power Rangers (MMPR, Zeo up to Wild Force, Dino Thunder)
Gundam Wing
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Ghostwriter

And I'm off.

[Endless Mike]

Well I know a lot about various stuff in science fiction and a lot of it is really powerful. I am also a Tenchi fanboy.

[Keollyn]

I admit to being bias to my regulars (In case you're wondering, my regulars are DS, RahXephon, Id, Son Goku/Seiten Taisen, Burori, Eiko Magami, Samus, Laharl, and Kyoya Izayoi ) but that's good, because none of my regs (with the exception of the pre-DS code Lucife... I mean Dark Schneider and Burori)are commonly used.. or even known... in the battledome.

Even though I have biasness, I pride myself in being fair. That's why i make sure I know the other combatant when they're matched up against a reg of mine.

Sometimes I do wish to get in a good debate with one of my regs, but it seems all to impossible for my obscure characters.

[Valdens]

Hopefully this thread teaches us to be less bias..?

[Kisame]

Hopefully this thread teaches us to be less bias..?


Says smoker prime.

[Reznor]

The One Piece bias is getting ridiculous. Thank you. Finally someone else thinks that.

Although, most people see everyone else as the biased ones and themselves as the balanced one.

[Kisame]

You guys seriously need to just examine whats going in one piece they are definitely stronger than naruto -__-

[Suzumebachi]

Thank you. Finally someone else thinks that.

Although, most people see everyone else as the biased ones and themselves as the balanced one.

I thought you hated One Piece.

[Cthulhu-versailles]

Everyone is Bias. To say otherwise is well... bias.:)
Your indenial and or completly full of shit if you think your being objective in everyone of your post. Individuality, embrace it and Stfu. Bias> Logic:notrust

[Kisame]

i like bleach way more than I like one piece. Its still easy to see One piece is stronger than them.

[Cthulhu-versailles]

^ I now like One piece more then Bleach, and I think the opposite. Although I'm not that far in 1p yet.

Actually, I will list my 5 biggest bias,

H X H- every character
Samurai Jack
Kenshiro
Kenshinverse
and now Zoro

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[Ram]

I have another issue.

It seems people are completely set in their character preferences in Naruto.
On the one hand you have thosewho side with Naruto, Yondaime, or Jiraiya.

On the other hand you have those who side with the Uchihas and Orochimaru.
Then there are a few Neji/miscellaneous supporters.

When you see people with these characters in their avatars or sigs, you know it's going to be really hard to convince them that the other side will win, and I just don't enjoy entering a discussion for that reason.
Well, that's what I've noticed.

[Genis-Vell]

Lately most threads regarding OP or DBZ end up being controversial.

[Valdens]

CMX's idea of having to pass a test to enter the battledome seems like a pretty good idea...

[Kisame]

CMX's idea of having to pass a test to enter the battledome seems like a pretty good idea...


It could be some pretty easy ones like goku vs Thanos w/ the hotu or naruto vs Smoker..

[Takuza]

^ It would be FANTASTIC if we could actually do something like that!!!!

[Endless Mike]

It could be some pretty easy ones like goku vs Thanos w/ the hotu or naruto vs Smoker..

What if someone doesn't know who one of the combatants is?

[Kisame]

What if someone doesn't know who one of the combatants is?

its going to be overall test with many different formats that the battledome consist of. if you don't know alot of the combants on the test that is is very popular in the outskirts why are you here giving your opinion?

[Endless Mike]

I know who all the ones in your examples are, I'm just speaking hypothetically.

[Kisame]

I know who all the ones in your examples are, I'm just speaking hypothetically.


i was as well. im very tired arguing with people who just come in and are making sasuke vs god threads.... and the such.

[Spacey]

It could be some pretty easy ones like goku vs Thanos w/ the hotu or naruto vs Smoker..

This is an anime forum though and asking comic book questions in such a test would be retarded

[Kisame]

This is an anime forum though and asking comic book questions in such a test would be retarded

Thats why this is the OUTSKIRTS battledome. The comic book battles far outnumber just purely anime battles.

[Spacey]

Thats why this is the OUTSKIRTS battledome. The comic book battles far outnumber just purely anime battles.

That bears no relevance it still doesn't change the fact that this is anime forum not a comics one

[Kisame]

That bears no relevance it still doesn't change the fact that this is anime forum not a comics one


still doesnt change the facts more people talk about comics on this subforum rather than anime...

[Spacey]

still doesnt change the facts more people talk about comics on this subforum rather than anime...

Yeah but overall more forum users watch anime than read comics

[Endless Mike]

I read lots of comics.

[Kisame]

Yeah but overall more forum users watch anime than read comics

and thats why they dont visit the outskirts O.o

[Reznor]

The test idea sounds horrible.

You have one side set-up as the one that it is "objective". Thus, if you don't believe the same victor that you do, you don't think they are credible.
That shows you aren't looking for a debate, but a nice easy place where everyone agrees with you.

OP people get too much hype here, IMO.
Naruto, on the other hand, gets underrated alot due to the lack of overt feat displays.
DBZ is underrated and overrated.

[Kisame]

so your saying naruto would beat smoker hahaha

[Valdens]

NO NO NO NO NO

[Arilou]

Naruto, on the other hand, gets underrated alot due to the lack of overt feat displays.

I somewhat agree with this. Naruto characters are probably realistically quite a bit more powerful than they are credited, *but* it's impossible to discuss them as *we don't actually get to see them do anything*.

All we've seen from Tsunade is moderate superstrength and regeneration. Given her place in the Naruto hierarchy she should definately have *quite a lot* more up her sleeves, but we don't see it, so we can't judge.

Even worse with people like the Fourth whom only fight off-panel but we hear a lot of "Oh these guys are SO awesome!" talks about.

[Scorpio3.14]

I somewhat agree with this. Naruto characters are probably realistically quite a bit more powerful than they are credited, *but* it's impossible to discuss them as *we don't actually get to see them do anything*.

All we've seen from Tsunade is moderate superstrength and regeneration. Given her place in the Naruto hierarchy she should definately have *quite a lot* more up her sleeves, but we don't see it, so we can't judge.

Even worse with people like the Fourth whom only fight off-panel but we hear a lot of "Oh these guys are SO awesome!" talks about.

Im thinking/hopeing this will change soon. With the manga progressing we are finally starting to see what the top teir of Naruto is really like. The KN4 vs Orochimaru fight really showed off the type of power that Naruto characters can posses and Orochimaru was able to keep up with KN4 easily even with a weakened body. Then we've seen a small glimse of Sasuke's power now and its already extremely impressive. We still have yet to see any top teir character truely go all out so there is still alot of room for improvement. Hopefully Naruto will be getting a little more respect then. They may not get to a OP level of over powered, but they should still be respected as strong fighters.

[Arilou]

Im thinking/hopeing this will change soon. With the manga progressing we are finally starting to see what the top teir of Naruto is really like. The KN4 vs Orochimaru fight really showed off the type of power that Naruto characters can posses and Orochimaru was able to keep up with KN4 easily even with a weakened body. Then we've seen a small glimse of Sasuke's power now and its already extremely impressive. We still have yet to see any top teir character truely go all out so there is still alot of room for improvement. Hopefully Naruto will be getting a little more respect then. They may not get to a OP level of over powered, but they should still be respected as strong fighters.

I'm thinking a lot of Naruto's "respect level" is dependant on superspeed. Without it, they're pretty average in power. (above street-levels but FAR, FAR below cosmic-level heroes, along the level of most of the X-men i'd say) of course, part of the problem is that speed is hard to judge.

And still, during the Orochimaru fight.... He barely *did* anything. Mostly he just sort of hung around while Naruto pummeled him. Simply hanging around is pretty impressive *in itself* but it's hard to make a discussion about :p

[Cthulhu-versailles]

Bias has completly overun the battledom.
People aren't even attempting to not be bias anymore.
No point in naming names, but this shit has become sad and idoitic.
...

[Endless Mike]

I personally think 90% of the bias here is Phenom's.

[Valdens]

You need to be able to be kicked out of the battledome.

[Keollyn]

The really sad thing is that there are STILL DB/Z fankid..... and there seems to be one for every forum. I thought with the expansion of the internet, and ways to watch even more media (torrent, scans, etc.) that they would start to go extinct. Sadly, that isn't the case. And this forum has a high tier one...

[Valdens]

Who are you referring to?

[FinalDragon13]

yup this happens alot. But i would also say that a lot of ppl tying to be funny vote for the obvious loser, just to get some attention.

[Keollyn]

Who are you referring to?

I dunno..... Turns away slowly

[Spacey]

Comic book fanboys are worse than DBZ fanboys imo

[Reznor]

I somewhat agree with this. Naruto characters are probably realistically quite a bit more powerful than they are credited, *but* it's impossible to discuss them as *we don't actually get to see them do anything*.

All we've seen from Tsunade is moderate superstrength and regeneration. Given her place in the Naruto hierarchy she should definately have *quite a lot* more up her sleeves, but we don't see it, so we can't judge.

Even worse with people like the Fourth whom only fight off-panel but we hear a lot of "Oh these guys are SO awesome!" talks about.
Feats =/= combat potential

They contribute, certainly, but tactically application is a big part too.

Like kawarimi isn't a "feat" but it will help a lot in most fights. They also display skills and, except for Naruto and Lee, they show us that versatility is required in the ninja world.

Look at Kakashi, for example. He doesn't have very impressive feats, but he could beat people with impressive feats, like Lee (speed feats), Temari (destroys forest), Deidara (destroys forest). Yet, BDome logic would compare them and say that Kakashi loses (if we didn't have ninja rankings)

I mean, people let BATMAN get away with having unimpressive base abilites but be awesome due to cunning. No overt feats but he still gets hype. Why not so for Naruto ninjas?

[Blitzomaru]

It's not so much as a bias, as it is people not being able/ unwilling to listen to reason. For example, there was a Spider-man (with 1 hr preptime) vs. Sue Richards, Human Torch and Thing thread made a while ago. I stated one instance where spidey could win, and there were some people who said that was impossible (which is OK. It is a debatable battle) or that Spidey would get raped by those three. One person went os far as to say that the thing, who can lift over 85 tons, could beat Spidey in a one-on-one match. I explained that this is impossible as the thing doesn't have much faster agility or speed than the average street punk and spidey dodges bullets before they are fired, and the person wouldn't concede. That's not bias, that's just stupidy and ignorance.

[Endless Mike]

Well Thing is a skilled boxer....

[Keollyn]

Comic book fanboys are worse than DBZ fanboys imo

I totally agree

[VisetheStompy]

I think it is impossible to escape bias in these cases because it is is discusions about fictional charachters and settings for one, which can not establish facts or provable criteria because of inconsistancie and plot-holes, even if both charachters are from the same univiverse or even the same creator.

It gets worse because these debates take place on the internet. In the internet world one has no reputation or anything really important on the line so being stubborn, bias or ignoraunt doesn't lead to any consequances.

Finally this is a board based purely on compatitions, which are suppose to have clear winners and losers. Nobody desires to see their hometeam be the loser, especially when they are thrown into what one may consider unfair circumstances.

[Kisame]

Finally this is a board based purely on compatitions, which are suppose to have clear winners and losers. Nobody desires to see their hometeam be the loser, especially when they are thrown into what one may consider unfair circumstances.


this is what I dont get....most matches are pretty clear imo.

[VisetheStompy]

Er what part is clear and what aren't you getting if I may ask?

[Kisame]

think you need to reread what I said.

I was agreeing with your post and added that most matches are clear I dont get the reason for the bias.

[VisetheStompy]

Sorry for the misinterpritation, when you had that section quoted I thouht your post was refering to it.:nod

[Raistlin-sama]

Bias is a part of all debates, just accept it. Now there's a difference between a reasonable level of bias and ignorance. No matter how much I love Raistlin, I wouldn't say he could win against Dark Schneider, because I have knowledge of DS powers.

However if you're taking two characters who are close to the same level, I'd say that bias is often the deciding factor among people, when it comes to deciding who'll win. However, if a lot of people share this bias it sometimes become what is believed to be objective in the battledome and regarded as an undebateable fact.

Surely most battles can be decided objectively, however some can't due to inconsistencies, plot-holes, lack of numeric feats etc. This is where the bias sees the daylight, even though most people don't want to admit it.

Personally I see numeric feats (like it being clearly stated "they can move at the speed of light") to have more value then a couple of manga/comic pages showing someone fight very fast. However this could also be said to be bias on my part, due to me being mathematically/logically minded. However if we do not prioritise evidence in that order, it becomes impossible to debate anything outside of subjective bias. Therefore I find it to be necessary, even though I am the one who decides that numerical evidence (feats and such) is the most valuable of the two.

See, this is a bias we all have, but it is decided by majority to be correct. This is because it logically is the only kind of evidence that can be debated, so it's a good thing. Still it is kind of a bias.

[Toffeeman]

I honestly dont think that OP is overrated.. :huh

[Kisame]

I honestly dont think that OP is overrated..

its not. Some people just have problems analyzing the sheer power one piece possess due to its comical side.

[omg laser pew pew!]

I totally agree

I'm actually more of a DBZ fan-boy than Marvel/DC and to be honest, deep down I still think that Goku could beat Supes. The reason I don't debate is simply because I can't argue my points since DBZ has finished and is limited by those feats while Superman is still going

The reason I'm against Phenomanal is simply because he's one of the most ignorant people I've ever met. His idiocy is as vast as his love for Vegito

[Kagutsuchi]

The main thing is, WE NEED TO SEE UCHIHA ITACHI PERFORM AMATERASU!

That way we will know if he can kill people with a blink :D

[Arroniro Arleri]

Everyone who doesn't thinkk OP is overated should go here.http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=80299

[Delta Shell]

This forum is very biased in places but it's to be expected in a "VS" forum. Unfortunately a lot of members (some that aren't regulars) tend to agree with the mass consensus and Outskirts goes through various "trends" of a said person being invincible.

Remember the Maestro incident? That was horrible, I remember people that had no idea what or who he was (I don't even know if they post anymore) coming in with one sentence answers saying that the Maestro would own anybody. To be fair this was due to incorrect (LIES) evidence being passed around about the Maestro but that whole period got extremely silly. (Somebody said that the Maestro could beat Thanos with the I.G iirc).

Anyone that says there isn't OP bias is lying. I love One Piece, in my opinion it's the best Shonen manga at the moment, I am biased in it's favour but I try not to get ahead of myself. One Piece cleans up against Naruto in a purely physical throwdown, the feats demonstrate as much, however when we start getting people voting in favour the Mugiwara over entire worlds, without giving an explanation (Narutoverse) something is clearly wrong. It often appears that the "hysteria" of the current trend has got to them..and that One Piece >>> Naruto applies..always. It doesn't.

http://forums.narutofan.com/showthre...ewpost&t=80299

Wow, I hadn't even seen that thread..it's got some of the worse bias in it ever, Nami and Ussop could own the Bleach universe eh? Ye-no.

Another trend that tends to emerge, usually due to the excessive fanboy/girlism (like above) is the "anti" trends. Sooner or later people get sick of the retardation of some bias posters and a bunch of people bias in the opposite direction emerge. The "antis". It happened with DBZ too many fanboys pushed people to vote against DBZ no matter what. It happend with Itachi, too many itachitards gave rise to the anti-Itachitards, it happened somewhat with Jiraiya..

The problem is the "antis" tend to become JUST as annoying as the others until they get to the same level of crappyness and become the new trend themselves and cancel the other tards out. Then there's peace for five minutes until the next trend emerges.

I expect an Anti One Piece (mainly due to the Aizen thread) and a smaller anti Jack (although so far they have been light hearted) campaign to rise soon.

I also expect some more support of Naruto soon.

[Code]

I can point out the Killua vs. Goku thread and say there's an extreme bias against Hunter x Hunter. Yet one thread isn't enough (though there is indeed a bias towards HxH... or rather a different interpretation of a particular explanation, one that heavily favors Hunter x Hunter, just like there was at one point against Alucard in regards to his immortaility, but that may or may have passed,and it'd be the opposite now), there's obviously at least a few people who side with a side that would make them seem biased in one situation or another. One thread hardly proves there's a bias in the "Battledome Community" Though looking at the votes, even going by that thread alone, there's only 11 people who voted for the other side, and you can't neccessarily label everyone who did as being biased in all regards towards One Piece.

I find threads like that a bit pointless, though not as annoying as tohers like the Strawhats vs. Narutoverse thread that's made for the sole reason of someone bieng sore about a character they liked being badly matched up, and/or for the intentions of riling up people who favor the other side, maybe to bring out fanboys and insult them.

[Delta Shell]

Yeah but the problem isn't just threads like that one. It's other members that take things for the gospel truth and don't form their own opinion. They'll simply go along with "One Piece > Naruto" (just as one example) and vote on that..

I'm not saying it's a massive problem but I seem to notice it from time to time..

[Endless Mike]

I think there is a bias against Inuyasha, IMO Inuyasha is stronger than Naruto, at least as strong as Bleach, and almost as strong as One Piece (if you include the IY movies, IY is stronger than One Piece).

[Giorno Giovanna]

There is bias in the battledome and it is call "One Piece is better than Bleach and Naruto combined" bias. Seriously, just check out the Aizen vs Usopp and Nami thread. I never seen someone like Hinata's Fan overrate OP and speaking so much bullshit at the same time and also the Strawhats crew vs Narutoverse. Op is so overrated, it's laughable now.

[Kunoichi no Kiri]

And I thought "Strawhats vs. Konoha" and "Strawhats vs. Gotei 13" were bad. Hahahaha.

[Kisame]

Remember the Maestro incident? That was horrible, I remember people that had no idea what or who he was (I don't even know if they post anymore) coming in with one sentence answers saying that the Maestro would own anybody. To be fair this was due to incorrect (LIES) evidence being passed around about the Maestro but that whole period got extremely silly

Yes whoever provided those lies needs to be banned and/or Demodded.

[Reznor]

I like Delta shells points, well said.

I agree with the trend thing. I think it's important to try to get threads to be interesting, instead of interested in compliance.

If someone says that Vegitto can go SSJ3, don't argue about if that's fair - decide wheter you wanted to argue the battle assuming that he has SSJ3 or assuming that he doesn't - maybe both.

[ydraliskos]

deep down I still think that Goku could beat Supes.

Hahaha, this is exactly how I feel too :amuse



Personally I see numeric feats (like it being clearly stated "they can move at the speed of light") to have more value then a couple of manga/comic pages showing someone fight very fast. However this could also be said to be bias on my part, due to me being mathematically/logically minded. However if we do not prioritise evidence in that order, it becomes impossible to debate anything outside of subjective bias. Therefore I find it to be necessary, even though I am the one who decides that numerical evidence (feats and such) is the most valuable of the two.

Heh, I guess it's different for everyone :wink

I always translate numeric feats into writer's deficiency to write a proper story, and tend to disregard it. If you need to say to us that your hero can move at xxx and lift xxx tons, then you clearly messed up your story somewhere. So I tend to place more value in hm... "in-combat" actions.

[Reznor]

deep down I still think that Goku could beat Supes.
Hahaha, this is exactly how I feel too Same here as well.

The thing is, we all know that Freiza saga Goku would be stomped by Buu Saga Goku, even without SSJ2/3 and IT (See my Freiza Saga SSJ1 Goku vs. Buu Saga Base Goku thread), but the thing is, people wouldn't factor that into their assesment.

People would mentally imagine Freiza Saga Goku v. someone the same way they'd view Buu Saga Goku v. someone.

I just don't see Superman keeping up with that power inflation.

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Personally I see numeric feats (like it being clearly stated "they can move at the speed of light") to have more value then a couple of manga/comic pages showing someone fight very fast. However this could also be said to be bias on my part, due to me being mathematically/logically minded. However if we do not prioritise evidence in that order, it becomes impossible to debate anything outside of subjective bias. Therefore I find it to be necessary, even though I am the one who decides that numerical evidence (feats and such) is the most valuable of the two.
I think perspective is an issue. For people that read comics, this works since American comics love to give figures for things.

Anime, however, doesn't like to do this as much. It prepers to usually show upgrades in comparisons. (X < Y... 2 weeks later, X >> Y....... or I can't believe X can A without B!)

I don't see numerical feats as being the most logical in other instances either. I think that Naruto gets a bad rap in the BDome because of it's lack of raw feats. The thing is, ninjas aren't about raw feats:

If Orochimaru said "I'm going to throw a kunai at you, Konohamaru!" and then did, with no tricks or jutsu, Konohamaru won't be hit. Ninja combat is mostly about tactics and using the right ability and the right time. However, I think that most people would think "Oro >>> Kohonamaru, so he'd still hit him."

[Comic Book Guy]

Member of the week. . . how long has that week last?

If someone says that Vegitto can go SSJ3, don't argue about if that's fair - decide wheter you wanted to argue the battle assuming that he has SSJ3 or assuming that he doesn't - maybe both.

Well, it's reasonable for Vegito to achieve SSJ3. If Gotenks could do it, why not a more powerful fused Saiyan like Vegito?

However, even if it was achieveable, how much more powerful would he be? It's too much speculation here for a SSJ3 Vegito -- gauging his power against extremely powerful and theoretically even opponents would get us nowhere.

[Raistlin-sama]

Heh, I guess it's different for everyone

I always translate numeric feats into writer's deficiency to write a proper story, and tend to disregard it. If you need to say to us that your hero can move at xxx and lift xxx tons, then you clearly messed up your story somewhere. So I tend to place more value in hm... "in-combat" actions.
Don't get me wrong. In terms of story-telling I sort of agree with you (not necessarily, since there does exist good stuff, which uses a lot of numeric feats), however I'm talking purely in terms of what I weigh the most in battledome debates.

Not that I have participated in any of those lately, though.

[chaoserver]

I agree. One battle was gandalf vs seph and people simly said Seph because "he was cooler".

[Scorpio3.14]

I think there is a bias against Inuyasha, IMO Inuyasha is stronger than Naruto, at least as strong as Bleach, and almost as strong as One Piece (if you include the IY movies, IY is stronger than One Piece).

I disagree with this. I have always said there is a pro-Inuyasha bias if anything. So many people have claimed I hate Inuyasha just because I point out how weak they are compared to other Shounen manga, however back in the day it was my favorite Anime and I still follow the manga and enjoy it.

However, the fact of the matter is useing cannon Inuyasha manga, the characters are not that strong, with the exception of a few cheap characters (Naraku and Sesshoumaru). Their speed is not that impressive, their strength is the same way. Fighting skills have never really impressed me either. The only thing Inuyasha has going for it compared to others is that they usually have very big area of effect skills. Thats about it though.

[Cthulhu-versailles]

I can point out the Killua vs. Goku thread and say there's an extreme bias against Hunter x Hunter. Yet one thread isn't enough (though there is indeed a bias towards HxH... or rather a different interpretation of a particular explanation, one that heavily favors Hunter x Hunter


Well for that thread, perhaps, but not on Killua and his abilties. Instead, if there was any overestimation it was on Nen and how effective it would be on something 'minutely similar'.:oh That is if there was overestimation, instead of underestimation of Goku and Ki. Anyway, IMO, on the whole there is an underestimation of Killua and the power of Nen. In fact, it's just as you've said; there is a clash of interpretations. Henceforth, depending on which you support, be it the suppossed 'favorable' one for H X H or the other one, would determine how highly you regard H X H characters against most non Nen Users.
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Anyway, I think Bleach is the most underestimated here, as a whole, and One Piece is the most Overestimated when compared to Bleach. This is due to bias.:nod

Bleach characters have an automatic advantage in one area over any non elemental DF One piece character. They have Reiatsu. The Reiatsu would: weaken, slow down, disable, or give an advantage without even attacking. That is Reiatsu, and the level of which the upper tiers have. Even those with Spiritual energy could be rendered immobile and or slowed down. So what should One piece's characters defense be, when at best, they may have low level spiritual energy ? Cough. Unless One Piece non Elemental Df characters have an energy type that is similar to Reiatsu, and have a high level of it, or unless there is evidence that they have some overpowered forcefield which can disrupt and or stop foreign energy types, (like Sups or Invincible Woman), they're automatically at a disadvantage and almost certainly lose. For instance, Bankai Ichigo Vs Luffy should have Luffy getting pwned. Simply because of the reiatsu advantage. So even if Luffy was somehow 2 times faster, reiatsu would weak him and leave him open to attack.

Reiatsu and Nen are both simply beastly in how the author portrayed there effectiveness agains those who have sparse amounts, or conversely don't have.

Secondly, I think Bleach characters speed is underestimated. Bankai Ichigo was able to deflect thousands of blades simulatenously attacking. Even if the blades were slow, which some people use to discredit his speed feat, Ichigo still simulatenously took care of thousands of blades. Actually, was it thousands or hundreds of thousands? I don't remember at the moment.

Yorochi, who is slower then Bankai Ichigo, took out a dozen or so clearly high leveled assasin, as stated, in an instant.

People also ignore the Shikai's and Bankai's and how much they would pwn.:cry The Hado spells are also underestimated. The one Byakuya used to immobilze Renji is overpowered.

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[Giorno Giovanna]

Well for that thread, perhaps, but not on Killua and his abilties. Instead, if there was any overestimation it was on Nen and how effective it would be on something 'minutely similar'.:oh That is if there was overestimation, instead of underestimation of Goku and Ki. Anyway, IMO, on the whole there is an underestimation of Killua and the power of Nen. In fact, it's just as you've said; there is a clash of interpretations. Henceforth, depending on which you support, be it the suppossed 'favorable' one for H X H or the other one, would determine how highly you regard H X H characters against most non Nen Users.
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Anyway, I think Bleach is the most underestimated here, as a whole, and One Piece is the most Overestimated when compared to Bleach.

Bleach characters have an automatic advantage in one area over any non elemental DF One piece character. They have Reiatsu. The Reiatsu would: weaken, slow down, disable, or give an advantage without even attacking. That is Reiatsu, and the level of which the upper tiers have. Even those with Spiritual energy could be rendered immobile and or slowed down. So what should One piece's characters defense be, when at best, they may have low level spiritual energy ? Cough. Unless One Piece non Elemental Df characters have an energy type that is similar to Reiatsu, and have a high level of it, or unless there is evidence that they have some overpowered forcefield which can disrupt and or stop foreign energy types, (like Sups or Invincible Woman), they're automatically at a disadvantage and almost certainly lose. For instance, Bankai Ichigo Vs Luffy should have Luffy getting pwned. Simply because of the reiatsu advantage. So even if Luffy was somehow 2 times faster, reiatsu would weak him and leave him open to attack.

Reiatsu and Nen are both simply beastly in how the author portrayed there effectiveness agains those who have sparse amounts, or conversely don't have.

Secondly, I think Bleach characters speed is underestimated. Bankai Ichigo was able to deflect thousands of blades simulatenously attacking. Even if the blades were slow, which some people use to discredit his speed feat, Ichigo still simulatenously took care of thousands of blades. Actually, was it thousands or hundreds of thousands? I don't remember at the moment.

Yorochi, who is slower then Bankai Ichigo, took out a dozen or so clearly high leveled assasin, as stated, in an instant.

People also ignore the Shikai's and Bankai's and how much they would pwn.:cry The Hado spells are also underestimated. The one Byakuya used to immobilze Renji is overpowered.

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AMEN! SO DAMN TRUE! Listen to this man, he speaks the truth:clap :cry

[Genis-Vell]

It's not so much as a bias, as it is people not being able/ unwilling to listen to reason. For example, there was a Spider-man (with 1 hr preptime) vs. Sue Richards, Human Torch and Thing thread made a while ago. I stated one instance where spidey could win, and there were some people who said that was impossible (which is OK. It is a debatable battle) or that Spidey would get raped by those three. One person went os far as to say that the thing, who can lift over 85 tons, could beat Spidey in a one-on-one match. I explained that this is impossible as the thing doesn't have much faster agility or speed than the average street punk and spidey dodges bullets before they are fired, and the person wouldn't concede. That's not bias, that's just stupidy and ignorance.

Lol…..Black Panther beat the Fantastic 4 by himself with prep time. Spiderman is up their with Black Panther (if not higher).
Yeah there is a lot of ignorance in the OB.

[Caustic]

Anyway, I think Bleach is the most underestimated here, as a whole, and One Piece is the most Overestimated when compared to Bleach. This is due to bias.:nod

Bleach characters have an automatic advantage in one area over any non elemental DF One piece character. They have Reiatsu. The Reiatsu would: weaken, slow down, disable, or give an advantage without even attacking. That is Reiatsu, and the level of which the upper tiers have. Even those with Spiritual energy could be rendered immobile and or slowed down. So what should One piece's characters defense be, when at best, they may have low level spiritual energy ? Cough. Unless One Piece non Elemental Df characters have an energy type that is similar to Reiatsu, and have a high level of it, or unless there is evidence that they have some overpowered forcefield which can disrupt and or stop foreign energy types, (like Sups or Invincible Woman), they're automatically at a disadvantage and almost certainly lose. For instance, Bankai Ichigo Vs Luffy should have Luffy getting pwned. Simply because of the reiatsu advantage. So even if Luffy was somehow 2 times faster, reiatsu would weak him and leave him open to attack.

Reiatsu and Nen are both simply beastly in how the author portrayed there effectiveness agains those who have sparse amounts, or conversely don't have.


The entirety of your post was excellent, but this is what I'd like to Highlight. Most people automatically attribute Bleach Characters as physically weak, but faster than other universes of the same level. However, why are they so fast? Reiatsu - I'm assuming that Shunpo and the Quincy's Hirenkyaku is used by focusing Reiatsu in their feet, the same way they use it to stand in air (well, assuming that Quincy can use it for that effect, I forgot if he's done that or not).

However, that's not the only application - In Kenpachi vs. Ichigo, we saw Kenpachi take a blow from Ichigo with not so much of a scratch - why? Because Ichigo's Reiatsu was unfocused, and he was essentially using an oversized Butcher's knife. However, once Ichigo focused his Reiatsu to sharpen his attack, it was able to cut through Kenpachi's defenses. This is the best case for how Reiatsu users are capable of manipulating it to enhance fights - we've seen speed, power, and defense enhancements. This is how they counter the fact that physically, they're only as strong as slightly superhuman characters.

If a shinigami focuses their Reiatsu to defense, that may be the explanation to what Aizen did to stop Ichigo's Ban Kai blade cold - he focused his Reiatsu into one finger, condensing it into a barrier that Ichigo couldn't break. It could essentially be the Shinigami's equivalent of the Arrancar's Thick Skin technique, the name of which escapes me (Was it Ierro? Hierro? Something completely different?). It hasn't been used by a wide amount of people, but I get the feeling that Captain level shinigami are trained to use it innately, much like this next point:

When Ichigo was entering Soul Society, he was still learning the ropes. Everything Urahara taught him was basically what Shinigami learn in the academy. I'd wager that all Shinigami, seated and above, naturally "sharpen their reiatsu" to increase the strength of their blades. We saw Kenpachi in a standoff with Ichigo, telling him to keep his reiatsu Sharp right before gradually piercing his way through Zangetsu and Ichigo in one strike. Against another Swordsman without any Reiatsu, there's a chance that the blade would be chopped clear through by a Reiatsu user. Shinigami aren't pure, all-out brawlers, they're the type who appear physically weak, then will shunpo past you while stabbing you in precisely the two places that take away your power.

We have yet to see the full extent of how Reiatsu can modify a Shinigami's fighting style to determine how much of an advantage it would give them in the Battledome, but I feel people have been ignoring this aspect of Bleach for far too long. Thank you for bringing it into the open.

[Blind Squirrel]

I think perspective is an issue. For people that read comics, this works since American comics love to give figures for things.

Anime, however, doesn't like to do this as much. It prepers to usually show upgrades in comparisons. (X < Y... 2 weeks later, X >> Y....... or I can't believe X can A without B!)

I don't see numerical feats as being the most logical in other instances either. I think that Naruto gets a bad rap in the BDome because of it's lack of raw feats. The thing is, ninjas aren't about raw feats:

If Orochimaru said "I'm going to throw a kunai at you, Konohamaru!" and then did, with no tricks or jutsu, Konohamaru won't be hit. Ninja combat is mostly about tactics and using the right ability and the right time. However, I think that most people would think "Oro >>> Kohonamaru, so he'd still hit him."

Well said. People also like to use feats to play the game of placing one character at his weakest (due to inconsistent/illogical writing) against another at his strongest (due to inconsistent/illogical writing), even when neither makes sense.

[Genis-Vell]

New Age, New Blood...what are you bias about?

[†_Camorra_†]

OP like many other manga/anime is inconsistent,for instance Luffy lifting 100tons and in the same time he punches normal fodder without ripping them apart.Look at Naruto,Tsunade punches huge craters in the ground but doesent lift exactly 100tons :/ Thats why the most OP vs Naruto debates are retarded.

[Banhammer]

http://obd.wikispaces.com/Uchiha+%3D+Shit

[Azure Flame Kite]

I'm biased towards any thread where .Hack// is involved, but I don't think I have any more biases in the OBD.

[Elijah Snow]

http://obd.wikispaces.com/Uchiha+%3D+Shit

To be fair Uchiha really do =Shit

[Eleven]

http://obd.wikispaces.com/Uchiha+%3D+Shit
Ha ha oh wow. What kind of steaming bullshit is this? Posting a biased page on a thread complaining of bias isn't the smartest move you can pull.

[Antitard]

Yea OP fans do not hesitate to show their bias. They twist their logic around too so you don't really know what is right anymore.

Example:

Nami can beat Tsunade because she reacted to Enel's lightning, soru, and beat a CP9

So after that becomes the conclusion of the debate (iunno) you'd think that they would stick to ti

Now when Kalifa is versed against others and people would reply "lol she lost to nami", the OP fanboys would immediately say "She lost to Nami due to PIS".

Another good example of bias

Nico Robin breaks everyone's necks :zaru

[Azure Flame Kite]

@Eleven
It is when all the big people in the battledome will agree with you :wink

[Eleven]

@Eleven
It is when all the big people in the battledome will agree with you :wink
So we make arguments based on consensus here right? :laugh

It doesn't work that way in a debate, present facts from source material, not facts that you and your buddies agreed on. Also who are the "Big boys"?:nuts

[Genis-Vell]

It doesn't work that way in a debate, present facts from source material, not facts that you and your buddies agreed on. Also who are the "Big boys"?:nuts
Rild, Phoenom, Jplaya, and Vladens. Take them to school, and you shall be King of the Hill.

[Azure Flame Kite]

So we make arguments based on consensus here right? :laugh

It doesn't work that way in a debate, present facts from source material, not facts that you and your buddies agreed on. Also who are the "Big boys"?:nuts

Never said they were my buddies, don't make assumptions.
Never said I agreed on these agreed on these facts, don't make assumptions
The moral: Don't make assumptions
I believe the big boys are Mirai Gohan, Endless Mike, and some other people I don't know too well.

[Eleven]

Never said they were my buddies, don't make assumptions.
Never said I agreed on these agreed on these facts, don't make assumptions
The moral: Don't make assumptions
I believe the big boys are Mirai Gohan, Endless Mike, and some other people I don't know too well. Ad Populum. It's a fallacy.

Uchiha=Shit is an opinion. Nothing wrong with that, but when you tout it as a fact because one or three people think so as well then we have a problem and thats the same problem the OP is talking about. It becomes an even bigger problem when others start harassing people just because they don't conform to the opinion.

[Crimson Dragoon]

Who the hell are you?

[tanukibeast]

OP like many other manga/anime is inconsistent,for instance Luffy lifting 100tons and in the same time he punches normal fodder without ripping them apart.Look at Naruto,Tsunade punches huge craters in the ground but doesent lift exactly 100tons :/ Thats why the most OP vs Naruto debates are retarded.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/35/11/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/35/12/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/35/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/35/14/
Huge craters in the ground= being easily dealt with by East Blue Strawhats

[Azure Flame Kite]

Ad Populum. It's a fallacy.

Uchiha=Shit is an opinion. Nothing wrong with that, but when you tout it as a fact because one or three people think so as well then we have a problem and thats the same problem the OP is talking about. It becomes an even bigger problem when others start harassing people just because they don't conform to the opinion.

When did I ever say Uchiha = Shit was a fact? Stop putting words in my mouth.
The conversation thread is the place to reach people about this if you want them to hear by the way.

[Darklyre]

Ad Populum. It's a fallacy.

Uchiha=Shit is an opinion. Nothing wrong with that, but when you tout it as a fact because one or three people think so as well then we have a problem and thats the same problem the OP is talking about. It becomes an even bigger problem when others start harassing people just because they don't conform to the opinion.

None of that started because people hated Uchiha characters. It started because Uchiha supporters were making absolutely retarded claims like "Itachi beats Galactus" and "Sasuke's Chidori can cut through Space Marine Terminators".

[Eleven]

When did I ever say Uchiha = Shit was a fact? Stop putting words in my mouth.
The conversation thread is the place to reach people about this if you want them to hear by the way.
Lets revise the back forth we had just now:

1)Some guy posts a link to an unofficial wiki stating uchiha=shit
2)I call it bullshit and asked when consensus agreement became fact
3)You butted in. You said it was okay since influential people on the forums agreed to it. Thats where it went off.

Don't run away now.

[Azure Flame Kite]

Lets revise the back forth we had just now:

1)Some guy posts a link to an unofficial wiki stating uchiha=shit
2)I call it bullshit and asked when consensus agreement became fact
3)You butted in. You said it was okay since influential people on the forums agreed to it. Thats where it went off.

Don't run away now.

About step 2, you didn't say that, you said it wasn't a smart move, not that consensus agreements were facts, and in all honesty, agreeing with the opinions of influential people is a smart move no matter how you look at it.
About step 3, once again, I never said it was okay, I said it was smart.

[Crimson Dragoon]

It's a fucking wiki made in a somewhat joking manner with some facts mixed in. No one is trying to push any opinion on someone else and trying to pass it off as fact. Relax, read a book, and get that sand out of your vagina.

[Genis-Vell]

Yeah I said it, Uchiha = shit fakt!:yell

[Rice Ball]

This isn't a thread for Uchiha v the Human race, so please drop the subject :mad

[Dio Brando]

It's a fucking wiki made in a somewhat joking manner with some facts mixed in. No one is trying to push any opinion on someone else and trying to pass it off as fact. Relax, read a book, and get that sand out of your vagina.

This is good advice, I suggest you use it.

[Eleven]

Yeah I said it, Uchiha = shit fakt!:yell
:yell
This isn't a thread for Uchiha v the Human race, so please drop the subject :mad
Consider it dropped.

Even in the wiki it states that naruto is the most hated verse in this dome save for inuyasha. At least the bias is honest :awesome.

[Tash]

I admit to being the largest Soul Eatertard in the dome, though most don't notice it since SE threads don't pop up often around these parts.



It's a fucking wiki made in a somewhat joking manner with some facts mixed in. No one is trying to push any opinion on someone else and trying to pass it off as fact. Relax, read a book, and get that sand out of your vagina.

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[mystictrunks]

None of that started because people hated Uchiha characters. It started because Uchiha supporters were making absolutely retarded claims like "Itachi beats Galactus" and "Sasuke's Chidori can cut through Space Marine Terminators".

Uchiha = Shit didn't start over the fucking battledome. It started because of Ando

[Darklyre]

Uchiha = Shit didn't start over the fucking battledome. It started because of Ando

I don't mean all the Uchiha hate, just the hate about how strong they are in the OBD.

[Red]

this
This is good advice, I suggest you use it.
It's a fucking wiki made in a somewhat joking manner with some facts mixed in. No one is trying to push any opinion on someone else and trying to pass it off as fact. Relax, read a book, and get that sand out of your vagina.

Well the way banhammer put it, it was like y'all just sat around and decided what was "canon law" and what wasn't:

The wiki is made with the consensus support and cohoperation of several mods of the OBD, along with it's most respected members. To the OBD'ers, that is canon law.

[mailer-daemon]

It's really hard to quantify some feats from OP because of its Toon-force like nature.

Garp bringing in a canonball far larger than his ship :oh
People getting hit and then flying from one island to another in the first arc :(
Pell surviving the explosion :amazed
Luffy drinking water to restore fluids in his body in his fight against Croc :laugh
The old man in Skypiea not dying from the lightning (or did he dodged it?) :notrust

The problem is when people use these stuff to measure a character's power.

[I.P. Standing]

agreeing with the opinions of influential people is a smart move no matter how you look at it.No it's not.

It's fallacious, and usually falls under the realms of either appeal to authority or appeal to popularity.