Zoro Vs Sanji Vs Luffy

[Unrequited Silence]

Is Zoro and Sanji and Luffy Equivalent in strength..?


Remember in the beg. of the ViVi ark where Zoro and Luffy faught..They were pretty equal..and in terms of competition they always make Sanji and Zoro = as well..Who do you think is the strongest..Besides sayin Luffy..

I do beleive Zoro is as strong as Luffy...And Sanji is a bit weaker than the 2

[Aman]

Even back then Luffy>Zoro>Sanji imo.

Luffy ftw.

[Unrequited Silence]

No I do beleive Luffy is stronger too..But do you honestly think Luffy could take down Mihawk....I do beleive at one point they will be = sort of like a Sasuke _ Naruto thing

[BakaKage]

Gear II Luffy was OMGWTFTOOSTRONG!!! but honestly I don't know, I'm leaning towards Luffy as stronger than the 2 though.

[Deputy Myself]

I do believe Sanji and Zoro will be equal at some point, but Luffy will be ahead of them all the time I guess.

[Hype]

If it was a flat out serious fight then I think Luffy would come out on top which is to be expected being the main character

[Unrequited Silence]

I think people under rate Zoro..hes eventually gonna take down MIhawk, who is revered...Simply put..They will all accomplish certain things in there own right....ANd be be crazy OMGWTH!!!!

Zoro's strength is insane..Hes just as strong as Luffy...You guys would be joking yourselves if you didnt agree..If not maybe stronger than Luffy..(In terms of brute strength) Luiffy is insanely strong as well..They are all monsters..

[starsun]

I dunno, I havent read the manga about luffys gears so I dont know his powers etcetc but without his gear I would go Zoro>Luffy>Sanji

[Aman]

No I do beleive Luffy is stronger too..But do you honestly think Luffy could take down Mihawk....I do beleive at one point they will be = sort of like a Sasuke _ Naruto thing
Maybe Luffy can't take Mihawk now but that doesn't mean he won't be able to later.

Anyone that doesn't vote Luffy lacks common sense if you ask me.

[ramin92]

I haven't seen his gears either, but I think tht Luffy is stronger than them both and tht Zoro is stronger than sanji as Kaku stronger than Jyabura

[starsun]

Wtf, Zoro is far more faster when he attacks than Luffy... he can cut him open any time or his leg/arm for that matter

[keyboad]

luffy is the best then sanji and zoro are equal

[crazymtf]

Zoro in brute strength is stronger then Luffy but with staminia i'd say Luffy comes in. It be a great battle to watch, till the death but in the end i'd still say LUFFY would come out on top for the simple reason of determination though Zoro has plenty as well so you can really tell. Senji is awsome but he's not at there power but hella great support.

[Kisame]

sanji isnt even in the running.


Its luffy and Zoro and Luffy edges out Zoro like a captain should

[TenshiOni]

I believe Zoro is as good as Luffy in his base form. Oda said it himself that Sanji is slightly below those two...very slightly, though.

I'd say Luffy wins thanks to Gear II, though.

[superbatman86]

I'd say tie with Zoro and Luffy.There's no eveidence that it couldn't go either way

[Unrequited Silence]

Thats what I was basically saying... ^^

Zoro is cutting steal..(Where im at in the anime :()

But also Luffys doing crazy things as well..

In brute strength Zoro has the cake for sure...But I think in battle analysis def. Luffy even though he appears dumb, he has great ability to read his opponents and fight accordingly..Zoro kinda just has the saying..Ill cut through anything.. Lol

[Hitotsumami]

Sanji can't come up to Luffy's and Zoro's level. He is strong, but not as strong as them.

We've seen Zoro pick up an entire building, and we've seen Luffy push two gigantic buildings apart. Hmmm, its a tough decision deciding who is stronger.

[Code]

I'd say Zoro and Luffy are about equal in strength. Which was shown in Alabasta, along with it being shown in one of the One Piece data books. Both being above Sanji.

[Unrequited Silence]

Eventually, Sanji will be as strong as them..They will all take down a Schiubaki (dont know how its spelled) eventually..

One thing we have to keep in mind..Unlike Naruto, this series is titled one piece. And although Luffy is the main character..It focuses on his pirate group as a whole all togther..What they go through to all accomplish there dreams together..The difference is with naruto, we know since the shows title has his name in it..he will def. succeed in all he does, and it wont focus on other characters too much

[gamebreaker04]

Sorry, but although the show isn't named after the main character, you still always see Luffy beting the main villian of the arc after everyone else fail, so I doubt that would be changing soon...

With that said, I don't see how Luffy can lose.

And on the Mihawk comment, he'll probably reach the level (or probably already has) to beat the guy, but he most likely won't because he respects Zoro too much to do a damn thing. That is the power of having nakama, my friends :cry

[starsun]

Uhm, Luffy only beat Enel since he was immune to his lightning.... if it was Luffy vs. Mihawk we know Mihawk would win since he got swords and who else got swords? ZORO smile-big :)

[Hitotsumami]

If luffy fought Mihawk, he might win. But I already know it will be Zoro vs. Mihawk, and Zoro will win.

[crazymtf]

No luffy would lose to Mihawk cause Mihawk has somthing you call a gigantic sword and that SWORD will CUT luffy OPEN...so no only Zoro really could win againt Mihawk.

[Unrequited Silence]

Mihawk would PWN Luffy

[gamebreaker04]

You guys make it seem that Luffy never fought and won against the odds. Crocodile was deemed imposible to beat, but guess who beat him? Luffy thinks outside the box when it comes to searching for victory, he can do the same with Mihawk.

And Enel isn't the only person that Luffy ever beat when everyone else failed. There's also Arlong, and at that point it's just strength and tactics, now wasn't it?

[crazymtf]

Yeah but Zoro was already hurt and so was Senji so that's kinda a stupid reason why Luffy was the only one who could beat Arlong. Luffy would lose against Mihawk because he uses a sword, A SWORD, luffy rubber, slice, cut, dead. Zoro can atleast block. Not saying Luffy wouldn't fight well but in the end he'd lose unless he learned how to block swords with his fist...

[Gyroscope]

If Luffy is a 10, Zoro is a 9.8 and Sanji is a 9.7

You need to read underneath the underneath, if you think they're all that far ahead of each other. Zoro and Sanji have been portrayed in the story as rivals more or less of equal strength ever since Little Garden.


And before we start bringing gears into the discussion, we should at least wait until Sanji and Zoro's fights have been played out. Seeing as how everyone's getting a powerup in this arc, they will too.

[Kisame]

nah if Luffy was ten I would say zoro is

9.85 with an adavantage due to swords

and sanji is a 9.45

edit: I can't accurately rate them but Zoro is fighting Kaku whos powerlevel thing was higher than Jyaburas even without having the devil fruit and Lucchi is so far ahead of those 2 and luffy is fighting him now.

[Anemone]

it'd be Luffy or Zoro (sorry Sanji :scry) I think Sanji is just under those two in strength

[the_invisible_men]

i believe luffys still no.1 then zoro and 3rd is sanji... although i'd like sanji to surpass zoro

[Tsuuga]

Sanji's my favorite but he couldn't do crap to Luffy without cooking knives, and legs against swords just doesn't work. Zoro has a chance against Luff, but I have a feeling he'd lose against... Luffy's stronger moves (and power ups).

[Code]

If Luffy is a 10, Zoro is a 9.8 and Sanji is a 9.7

You need to read underneath the underneath, if you think they're all that far ahead of each other. Zoro and Sanji have been portrayed in the story as rivals more or less of equal strength ever since Little Garden.

I would have to disagree. It seems me at most that Sanji and Zoro make little insulting comments towards each other, not fighting rivals. As I'm sure the result is obvious were they to fight... If you were to go by the One Piece Red Book, Zoro and Luffy's strength were 6 and Sanji's a 5. That covers up to around Alabasta. Which just before Alabasta in Whiskey Peak, Luffy and Zoro were fighting to a standstill, and even made comments about finally seeing whose stronger, the swordsman or the fighter. Then more recently, when Zoro has effortlessly done some task, you get comments by some people who witnissed it about wondering why he isn't Captain. I'd say Zoro and Luffy are more portrayed as equals, while Sanji and Zoro merely dislike each other.

[Unrequited Silence]

Good Post...That is why I do beleive Zoro is as strong as Luffy..Sanji is just below him..Simple as that..

[d.Lughie]

What about in Ocean's Dream arc.. where Zoro sorta got hypnotized.. and fought Luffy.. Zoro was winning.. and he even did Oni Giri to Luffy..



but maybe.. Luffy was not all out.. >.<

Sanji however though

Sanji's new kicking move.. could possibly take on Zoro... >.< I dunno.. ^^

[Kisame]

Sanji's new kicking move.. could possibly take on Zoro... >.< I dunno.. ^^



But you have to realize Zoro's enemy is stronger and Sanji's new move still isn't enough to beat zoro.

Sanji will be as stronger than Zeff's prime but Zoro is going to be the strongest swordsmen in the world.

[d.Lughie]

Yup.. I know.. zoro would be the best swordman.. ^^

but
I just couldn't stand Sanji's new move.. its just friggin' cool

oo.. the thing you quote from me is spoiler just so you know.. you might wanna put tags on it.. ^^

[crazymtf]

Senji is pretty damn powerful but i don't see him at Zoro or Luffy's level, just below, but then again i'm only on ep. 103! :P

[starsun]

The reason why everybody puts Sanji last is because he isnt focused on beeing a fighter mostly a cook.... Zoro on the otherhand if you all have forgot, is trying to be the best swordsman in the world so...

[Mario is Fat]

Luffy>Zoro>Sanji
Luffy is made the strongest by Oda in basically every fight, even thogh Zoro is always training so Luffy would beat Zoro while Sanji is blatantly the weakest of the three

[Aman]

Guys, have you forgotten about the gears? :huh


This isn't about Mihawk, but do you guys really think the Pirate King would lose to him? He will be fast and strong too, you're just assuming that Mihawk will be way faster. He's the captain, and the one who will become the Pirate King, he can't lose to someone that Zoro can beat. The story has always been made that Luffy foughts the strongest and Zoro the runnerup, which is why Zoro fought Mr.1 and Kaku while Luffy fought Mr.0 and Lucchi.

[starsun]

Both Zoro and Luffy could have, for example, won against Crocodile.... I think oda lets Luffy be the winner and the best fighter since he is his fav character?(not sure.. )
Just look at Naruto and Saskue(dont think about that Naruto is the main character etcetc)... we all know Sasuke is stronger than Naruto without his Kyuubi just like Zoro is stronger than Luffy without his gears...

[Gyroscope]

But you have to realize Zoro's enemy is stronger and Sanji's new move still isn't enough to beat zoro.

Sanji will be as stronger than Zeff's prime but Zoro is going to be the strongest swordsmen in the world.

Stronger by 20 points....:oh and isnt even nearly as experienced with his DF as Jabs is. Jabs wasnt even concerned about his standing after seeing Kaku in action. And
Sanji's kicking techniques simply destroyed someone that moves around in Tekkai. Neither Zoro nor Luffy could withstand kicks of that power. Of course it also works the other way around. I highly doubt Sanji or Zoro could stand Luffy's punches in gear mode or that Sanji or Luffy could stand Zoro's slashes.

Right now, we have nothing to go by to say who is stronger than who. They've all received power ups (Zoro will soon) and the only way to actually gauge their power is to base it on the enemies they beat and thus surpass. Where Zoro and Sanji are facing opponents as strong as each other.

If you were to go by the One Piece Red Book, Zoro and Luffy's strength were 6 and Sanji's a 5

Theres more in judging a persons fighting capability than just strength :\

As for all the other examples you've mentioned, we've gone over those before. You're stating Whiskey Peak. When Little Garden happened right after that. In little Garden Sanji and Zoro had an indirect comparison made between them and Brogy/Dory.
More recently ever since they invaded Enies Lobby they have been doing stuff side by side. Trashing marines side by side, breaking into the courthouse plaza, taking out Jurors, and now fighting oppoenents or equal power. While Luffy is to surpass someone as strong as Kaku/Jabs combined.
Then again, Sanji and Zoro will destroy their opponents and still walk around a bit. Luffy would likely be done after Lucci is beaten IMO, so that still leaves all three of them very close to each other.

Hence my rating of 10 > 9.8 > 9.7

@ Starsun or that Chopper is stronger than Zoro without his swords, or that everybody is stronger than Smoker without his DF.
Seriously its a silly argument. When comparing strength, you compare their strength of when they are at their strongest.
It isnt fair drawing conclusions when you clearly arnt following that. Why do the gears have to be discounted when measuring Luffy's strength?

[starsun]

Since this is in the general board Im not really sure if the topic starter counts in Luffys gears or not, and even if he did, I wouldnt be able to know its strenght since I dont read the manga so Im basing this all with Luffy not having his gears...

[Gyroscope]

Ah then i apologise if i sounded rude ;)

I dunno if you want to be spoiled, but lets just say the gears make Luffy really really strong :)

[crazymtf]

If we count the gears and if i'm correct and zoro didn't get his upgrade is it truly fair to compare yet? Just wanted to ask.

[Hitomi_No_Ryu]

Maybe it'll end up like the Luffy vs. Zoro fight just before the early part of the Alabasta arc...

NAMI WINS!

[Code]

Stronger by 20 points....:oh and isnt even nearly as experienced with his DF as Jabs is. Jabs wasnt even concerned about his standing after seeing Kaku in action. And
Sanji's kicking techniques simply destroyed someone that moves around in Tekkai. Neither Zoro nor Luffy could withstand kicks of that power. Of course it also works the other way around. I highly doubt Sanji or Zoro could stand Luffy's punches in gear mode or that Sanji or Luffy could stand Zoro's slashes.

Right now, we have nothing to go by to say who is stronger than who. They've all received power ups (Zoro will soon) and the only way to actually gauge their power is to base it on the enemies they beat and thus surpass. Where Zoro and Sanji are facing opponents as strong as each other.


[quote]
Theres more in judging a persons fighting capability than just strength :\

Oh? Then Zoro's Intelligence is higher by 3, and Dexterity by 1.


As for all the other examples you've mentioned, we've gone over those before. You're stating Whiskey Peak. When Little Garden happened right after that. In little Garden Sanji and Zoro had an indirect comparison made between them and Brogy/Dory.
So one comparism is directly power and fighting, while Zoro and Sanji only had that one comptetiition that wasn't related to battle strenght and they're suddenly rivals? Other than that it's bad remarks towards each other. Luffy even mocks Sanji sometimes.


More recently ever since they invaded Enies Lobby they have been doing stuff side by side. Trashing marines side by side, breaking into the courthouse plaza, taking out Jurors, and now fighting oppoenents or equal power. While Luffy is to surpass someone as strong as Kaku/Jabs combined.
Then again, Sanji and Zoro will destroy their opponents and still walk around a bit. Luffy would likely be done after Lucci is beaten IMO, so that still leaves all three of them very close to each other.

Usopp and Chopper are mostly side by side often, does that mean that one is equal to the other in strength? Jabura and Kaku's strength in comparism to each other once transformed is unknown, though one is obviously more experienced with their devil fruit. Well both fights have yet to conclude, and you can't really base strength on who faces who, what happens in the battle is another matter though.

[Gyroscope]

Oh? Then Zoro's Intelligence is higher by 3, and Dexterity by 1.

Sanji has more points overall :\


So one comparism is directly power and fighting, while Zoro and Sanji only had that one comptetiition that wasn't related to battle strenght and they're suddenly rivals? Other than that it's bad remarks towards each other. Luffy even mocks Sanji sometimes.
Usopp and Chopper are mostly side by side often, does that mean that one is equal to the other in strength?

Eh, they hang out together. Sanji and Zoro are almost always bitter at each other ever since Little Garden. I mean seriously so far neither have shown anything to be considered far superior to one another.


[quote[Jabura and Kaku's strength in comparism to each other once transformed is unknown, though one is obviously more experienced with their devil fruit. Well both fights have yet to conclude, and you can't really base strength on who faces who, what happens in the battle is another matter though.[/QUOTE]

What else do we have to compare their strengths since htey havnt fought each other. Non cannon movies aside, we have nothing besides the strengths of their opponents.


EDIT - we've debated about this before on plenty of occassions. Obviously we arnt going to change each others minds on this. Besides you seem to harbor some hate for Sanji so there really is no point to this.

[Cthulhu-versailles]

Up to little garden arc, I think Zoro would beat Luffy. I also think if there fight continued in Cactus Town Luffy would have been killed.
Zoro is to badass. After that I can't say yet... need to watch more.:amazed
I also don't think Sanji could really compete to much with either of them when they get serious. Sanji basically blantly stated when Arlong tossed that water at him, that only Luffy could beat him now. I think Zoro would have been able to also, but because his injuries were open and he wasn't fully healed, as Arlong stated, Zoro was slowed and weakened.

[crazymtf]

^Senji said that because he was badly hurt aswell....

[Cthulhu-versailles]

^ But I also thought it was because Sanji was shocked Arlong could hurt him so badly by just throwing water at him? I know he was hurt also, but he seemed to think Arlong was particually strong.

[Azure-kun]

I pick luffy. . .since he's the damn captain

[crazymtf]

^ But I also thought it was because Sanji was shocked Arlong could hurt him so badly by just throwing water at him? I know he was hurt also, but he seemed to think Arlong was particually strong.

Well luffy didn't fight yet either. Donno but he was pretty fucked up aswell.

[Gyroscope]

^ But I also thought it was because Sanji was shocked Arlong could hurt him so badly by just throwing water at him? I know he was hurt also, but he seemed to think Arlong was particually strong.

The guy had his insides fucked cos of what Kuroobi did to him :laugh

[Unrequited Silence]

I think in all eventuality they will all be equal in strength..Just because Luffys captain doesnt mean hes the strongest..There pirate crew is different from the generic pirates of that era..They are all following Luffy because it helps them accomplish there dreams...So luffy doesnt neccesarily have to be stronger than everyone...But plain and simple...They will all reach there epitome....

[crazymtf]

^True, good post.

[Amatsu]

I thought it was common knowledge that Luffy and Zoro were evenly matched and both better than Sanji.

Sanji is said to be a little weaker than Zoro.

[crazymtf]

In the end, they all kick ass :)

[Unrequited Silence]

^^ And thats all that matters

[Unrequited Silence]

By the way Crazymtf..This is Itadakimasu8 I had a name change :)

[crazymtf]

^Sorry bad with names, what was your last sig and avt? Then i'll remember...hopefully...i got a bad memory :P

[Unrequited Silence]

We were the ones in the room talking about UTAHcrip..HOw hes dumb and he aint even blk..U from brooklyn right..?

[crazymtf]

Oh yeah, lol utahchip, that fake ass wannabe gangsta. Anyway yeah now i remember you. Yep i'm from brooklyn, nice to see your still here, and i am glad to prounce i am up to ep 121!

[Unrequited Silence]

Nice im up in the 160's somewhere..

[crazymtf]

Just saw the croc fight, how the fuck did luffy survive three deaths, it's crazy :nuts By the way i imed you on your screenname but it has a away message.

[Unrequited Silence]

Yea I got that..My bad I wasnt here..I was at a special bible convention over the weekend

[Tsuuga]

Aaaaand scene.

[Aman]

Btw, about the fight, Luffy and Zoro have a six in strength and Sanji has a five.

[Jin22]

As much as I like Sanji, I can't fathom him competing with Zoro or Luffy. He might be able to put in some blows but in the end would go down as soon as either of the other two gets serious.

Luffy vs Zoro on the other hand, I have to admit that it's not so easy as to outright say who'd win. With these two, I'm going with a tie.

[Gyroscope]

*sigh*

Sanji gets no love. Even after the latest chapters. :\

[Unrequited Silence]

Sanji is crazy strong IMO..But only but the slightest bit less than Naruto and Co

[Gyroscope]

Sanji is crazy strong IMO..But only but the slightest bit less than Naruto and Co

Naruto?

If you mean Luffy and co, i never disagreed. I do however strongly disagree that the power gap between the top three is that huge. Neither of them could withstand the other's strongest attacks.

They fight enemies with excellent defencive capabilities, so their attack power increases to overcome that. But the CP9's attack power could hardly be compared to what the SHs have. Likewise, the SHs defencive power can't hold a candle to Tekkai/Tekkai Gou

[LEAFVILLAGE]

I THINK LUFFY COMES IN FIRST THEN ZOLO THEN SANJI.

[Gyroscope]

it isnt Zolo...Please stop saying that :arg

[crazymtf]

^It's the terror of dub my friend :(

[Suzumebachi]

Zoro's the only one so far to not be able to break Tekkai.

[Code]

Well it's cutting as opposted to hitting. In Kaku and Zoro's first exchange, he was able cut apart the weapons Kaku's was using. Though something like a giant giraffe is much bulkier, along with that Tekkai may vary from member to member. Regardless, Kaku has only blocked with his nose, so I'm wondering how strong that is defensively. Though Zoro did overpower Kaku in the last move.

[raziu]

Zoro's the only one so far to not be able to break Tekkai.

He is...and Kaku is aware of that, that's why when Zoro did his strong move (forgot the name) Kaku used Rankyuaku to par it.

[Aman]

Use spoilertags, mangareaders. :notrust

[Pipboy]

IN the latest chapters I think that things have been made delibrately ambigous. Zoro usually has his fights after Sanji, which by storyline progression means that he is considered more powerful, however I think that some people have the right of it when they say that Sanji is focus on other things besides ass-kicking and and thus can have moments even outside fo combat.

That being said, the devil-wind is obscenely powerful. Zoro doesn't seem to be getting a huge upgrade, his array of moves is widening but the gorilla attack only nicked kaku's nose. Sanji, exploded through a TEkkai specialist, absolutely smoking him, two hits. In truth if you examine the fight Sanji was completely ahead of his opponent most all of the time, and only took one significant blow.

Zoro has so far expended more energy for less result, so I think that there is an ambiguity being enforced.

Now for luffy there is a huge question, given how easily Sanji handled Kalifa, well untill the groin stomping, and how easily luffy handled Blueno I think that its safe to say all the 3 musketeers are well above that level of CP9 agent. However given that Luffy's opponent is just so much more powerful its questionable. However once again there is the fact that Luffy get a heck of a lot more beat up in an average fight than Zoro or sanji, Zoro's mr 1 expierience not withstanding.

[aaasss]

Luffy>Zoro>Sanji

Although the power differences are very slight.


Zoro and Sanji are usually portrayed nearly the same, especially in the ball fight match thing.


From as long as the manga goes, its always Luffy gets hardest, Zoro gets number 1 opponent (who is always a sword user) and Sanji gets number 2 opponent (who is a martial-arts fighter of types).


So its hard to compare their strength difference vs each other.


And everyone is forgetting one thing about One Piece- You dont need to be stronger to win a fight vs someone else. Most of Luffys opponents have been stronger than him, AND all of Usopps/Namis opponents stronger than them. But they still come out on top due to spirit or whatever.

So even str wise, if Zoro is 1.01 times stronger than Sanji and Luffy is 1.01 times stronger than Zoro, it may not show who will win a serious fight...

[taveren]

as for zoro and sanji, zoro beat kaku with hardly any damige to himself and sanji was geting that crap beat out of him till the end of his fight with Jyabura who was weaker answers that one
i think luffy is stronger then zoro of course he is the main charicter but in a fight zoro has the advantige becuase luffy is weak vs swords so no telling who would win

[Sesqoo]

It was something like this imo
First like this:
Luffy=Zorro>Sanji
Later on like this:
Luffy>Zorro>Sanji
And now it is like this:
Luffy>>Zorro=Sanji (Zorro maybe might be slightly stronger)

[Aman]

Luffy>>Zorro=Sanji (Zorro maybe might be slightly stronger)
If you ask me, Zoro was the more impressive one this arc, and like I have said many times, to me it's clear for the story to work that Zoro will always be above Sanji (not necessarily by a lot though).

[cp9luchi]

other than luffy beign superior to both zoro an sanji, it is very unclear, even though Gear 2 an 3 have their drwbacks they are still crazy powerfull, Luffy has to be stronger than both of them in the future because even Mihawk told Luffy that being pirate king would be harder being the world's best swordsman. So that leaves Zoro and Sanji, At this point I would put them as even because judging from Kaku's and Jyabura's Douriki 20 is barely any difference and Jyabura being a more experienced DF user would put him on par with Kaku, Zoro began his fight in perfect codition while Sanji was already injured from his fight with Califa, and also started later and finished his fight before zoro did, so that alone would show that Sanji has improved strenghwise since Alabasta (his 5 strenght rating) not to mention he is also faster and smarter than Zoro, Sanji's heat leg gives him a pretty big strenght boost and Zoro's Illusion type moves (Asura, his sword bending Onigiri) also seem to give him quite some power both without any drawbacks only time will tell which of the 2 is stronger, but as of now their fights are done and they are at the judicial tower together (I love it when they're together).
But now let's not forget about Franky, in the last chapter he didn't seem so strong against Lucci and fought Fukurou (with only 800 douriki) but he's still hella strong, If he joins the mugiwaras I;m sure he'll get stronger and is up there with Zoro and Sanji. (hopefully if he gets an upgrade in the future, it'll be some super drink, maybe he mistakes his Cola with some of Zoro's sake. That would be great:laugh ).