Konoha vs the Zerg

[CrazyMoronX]

Konoha has been attacked by the Zerg, their meager army consists of 500 zerglings, 100 ultralisks, 200 hydralisks, 50 mutalisks, 50 guardians, and 30 lurkers.

Konoha has all of the ninjas shown so far, including Jiraiya, Tsunade, and manga spoiler characters.

Orochimaru, Sasuke, and Itachi are included in this fight.

Any summons allowed, including boss summons.

Can Konoha survive, or will their precious village be razed?

[Gooba]

I think Konoha wins. Swamp of the Underworld, giant freaking katons (think Gama v Shukaku), KN4, and whatever else the upper nins would could do would be able to handle them.

[Endless Mike]

A single Zergling's foot crushes the entire country Konoha is in.

Pentameter calcs FTW!

[CrazyMoronX]

Probably, katons would waste the lings easily, the hydras probably as well, but the ultralisks are pretty strong against fire.

I think the ultralisks and the air units pose the biggest threat here... my mind isn't really made up either way, I'd like to see other people's thoughts on it.

[Gooba]

I was actually thinking the katons would be used against the flying nins. Summon Gamabunta, have him katon pretty much all the fliers at once, that thing was huge, then go around killing the sunk Ultralisks. Plus, the Konoha Genin through Jounin could "zerg rush" them, cutting them to bits. They are much too slow and awkward to hit anyone as fast as the nins.

[CrazyMoronX]

How will they deal with cloaked units, like Lurkers, attacking from underground?

[Gooba]

Dotons. Swamp of the Underworld handles that pretty well, and we have seen people swimming through the ground with ease. As soon as a Lurker attacks once, they know exactly where they are, and even if not, a fully powered SotU should make them unable to fight simply there.

[Sunuvmann]

You gave the Zerg wayyyy too small an army. We are talking about a village paractically full of gods. You need a freaking swarm.

[Rice Ball]

zerg with ease imho

The ultralisks (100 of them remember) will take a master summon to counter.
The Guardians are flyers remember, and have a range outside that of a missle launcher.

Also don't expect a Ninja to survive a Guardian/Zerglin attack...


Look at it this way, if 3 Snakes (summoned by Sand nins) could do that much damage, how do you think they are going to survive a 100 Ultralisks that would be pretty much the size of those snakes.

Gooba while its nice to say a Katon will take out Zerglins, are you going to assume that the Lurkers and hydralisks are going to stand there and wait for there turn to die. You should pretty much expect that Guardian/hydralisk/Lurker attacks will have a far longer range than most Katons.

[Gooba]

zerg with ease imho

The ultralisks (100 of them remember) will take a master summon to counter.
The Guardians are flyers remember, and have a range outside that of a missle launcher.

Also don't expect a Ninja to survive a Guardian/Zerglin attack...

Look at it this way, if 3 Snakes (summoned by Sand nins) could do that much damage, how do you think they are going to survive a 100 Ultralisks that would be pretty much the size of those snakes.

Gooba while its nice to say a Katon will take out Zerglins, are you going to assume that the Lurkers and hydralisks are going to stand there and wait for there turn to die. You should pretty much expect that Guardian/hydralisk/Lurker attacks will have a far longer range than most Katons.Luckally for Konoha, they do have master summons. Plus, the Ultralisks are a lot weaker than you think. They aren't nearly as big as the snakes, plus, look how easily Jiraiya dispatched them. I don't assume that the Zerg are going to wait, I assume that Gamabunta's fireball would just take them all out, that thing was freaking huge. It was about the size of a villiage, and could easily out anyone on foot. I think if he aimed it right, he could take out an fleet of the air riders too. I have seen Lurker and Hydralisk ranges, they got nothing on Gama.

I think the main thing is you are thinking about Chuunin vs Zerg, and I am thinking of Sannin/Jounin/Kyuubi Naruto 4.

Plus, if it gets bad enough, and Sakura dies, I bet we would be seeing KN9, and he would solo the whole fight.

[Reznor]

Look at it this way, if 3 Snakes (summoned by Sand nins) could do that much damage, how do you think they are going to survive a 100 Ultralisks that would be pretty much the size of those snakes.
Another thing to realize is that a summon is a tool.
The ninja using it matter. In DoK, they used them to sneak attack.

When they were just going around in the forest, Naruto killed one.

I agree with Gooba. The zerg get an advantage by attacking, but Konoha wins this.

[ydraliskos]

I think Konoha wins. Swamp of the Underworld, giant freaking katons (think Gama v Shukaku), KN4, and whatever else the upper nins would could do would be able to handle them.

Jesus christ already gooba, what is it with you and the Zerg?

Guardians alone can probably destroy konoha from ORBIT ...

[Gooba]

Now that is just silly, there is no way a guardian could do that.

All I know is I have steamrolled the Zerg with a bunch of guys with guns, and nins are much more powerful than them.

[ydraliskos]

Eh guys with guns from the future :p I doubt ninja's could even hurt zerg armor short of chidoring them.

(And I doubt anything short of the death god could kill an ultralisk)

Btw, about guardians, I'm serious =D All the zerg flyers are space-farers (they can even withstand warping), and guardians if you look at how they're handled in game, seem as orbital bombardment units.

[Kunoichi no Kiri]

I was number eight on the Starcraft ladder once upon a time... 1999-ish.

Anyway, Konoha owns this. You'd need an actual Zerg Hive to win against Konoha, it's hard to calculate how many individual Zerg you'd need.
Guardians cannot attack from orbit. I wish they could, I lose more Guardians to some stimpacked marines (with little rifles) coming out of nowhere.

And yeah, everything up to and including the Ultralisks are owned by large-scale katons. Even if the Ultras make it out in one piece, Manda has a late lunch and that's that.

[Gooba]

(And I doubt anything short of the death god could kill an ultralisk)Are you serious? They are 20 feet tall, at most. Gamabunta would wipe the floor with a hundred of them. Making a fireball the size of an entire village is a hell of a lot more impressive than taking 2 swings with their giant swords to kill a medic.

and guardians if you look at how they're handled in game, seem as orbital bombardment units.So Orbit is 10-20 feet? That is the range on marines, yet they can hit guardians.

[Rice Ball]

Still haven't seen how they are going to kill the aerial zerg.
Just general terms like Katons will own them....

Flame marines take a few hits, and by that time the zerg are in melee range

[Gooba]

Just general terms like Katons will own them....I have never said general katons own them. I have been saying Gamabunta's katon the size of Konoha owns them.

[ydraliskos]

So Orbit is 10-20 feet? That is the range on marines, yet they can hit guardians.

I thought you were the one that didn't like taking game-mechanics at face value.

EDIT: (ah no it was reznor http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=97266)

I'm trying to show how it really happens, outside of the 2d overview display here, based on what I know about the lore, what I see in cutscenes, and how I interpret some game stats.

It's not definitive, but It's better than thinking that marines can actually shoot battlecruisers with machineguns.

And going by that, guardians have some of the best range and firepower in the world of starcraft. If that doesn't imply orbital, I don't know what does.

Moving on, 200 hydralisks shooting spines capable of pretty much impaling unarmored people at ballistic speeds? 500 little buggers full of claws and teeth charging right in? 100 bus-sized behemoths that simply won't go down unless gamabunta/manda kill them? While having 200 flyers just raining death from above?

Gamabunta is still a giant frog, and manda is still a giant snake. As far as toughness goes, I don't think they'd last long against some fly-by's.

EDIT: Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but if you want to stick with the game mechanics, a fully upgraded Ultralisk can survive a tactical nuclear warhead at point blank range. (or can it, it's been ages.. in any case, it's pretty damn close)

[Suzumebachi]

I'd go with Konoha if it weren't for the flyers. A Naruto character's weakness is a flyer, especially a flyer as powerful the Guardians.

They do have an incredible range, so they could just bombard the villiage and take out Jiraiya, Oro, and the other heavy hitters. Leaving plenty of room for a fully upgraded zergling rush.

[Gooba]

Moving on, 200 hydralisks shooting spines capable of pretty much impaling unarmored people at ballistic speeds? 500 little buggers full of claws and teeth charging right in? 100 bus-sized behemoths that simply won't go down unless gamabunta/manda kill them? While having 200 flyers just raining death from above?They dodge kunais easily enough, and can chuck them back. Nins are far faster than Zerglings, they wouldn't be able to touch a genin, let alone a Jounin. Ultralisks might be be and scary, but they could never hit anyone. I think that there are a lot more ways to fight them than Gamabunta, I was just bringing him in as a trump card. There are poisons that could probably work, and if not, I am sure there are a lot of Jounin/Sannin moves that will get to their brain and kill them.

If marines/hydralisks are able to shoot down guardians, so can Gama.

[ydraliskos]

They dodge kunais easily enough, and can chuck them back. Nins are far faster than Zerglings, they wouldn't be able to touch a genin, let alone a Jounin. Ultralisks might be be and scary, but they could never hit anyone. I think that there are a lot more ways to fight them than Gamabunta, I was just bringing him in as a trump card. There are poisons that could probably work, and if not, I am sure there are a lot of Jounin/Sannin moves that will get to their brain and kill them.

If marines/hydralisks are able to shoot down guardians, so can Gama.

Totally ignoring the first 2 paragraphs about marines shooting guardians or what? =/

What am I supposed to say here then? That Ultralisks are as tough as the Hulk because they can live through a nuclear strike? And actually argue about it?

[Gooba]

I didn't ignore it, if marines and hydralisks can reach them, then gamabunta could. Even if I don't take game mechanics at face value, of 10 feet or so, I can't see them being any more than a few hundred at most.

[Rice Ball]

Your joking right? :P
Theres no way a Nin is faster than a Zerglin, you see the movies of them moving around the marine in one of the game intros.

Also the Terran Yamoto Canon on there Battleships aren't able to take one down, so a flame will in a single hit? :P

[Gooba]

Theres no way a Nin is faster than a Zerglin, you see the movies of them moving around the marine in one of the game intros.Yes, I did. Did you see how fast Jounins were, moving without anyone else able to see them? Far better than anything the zerglings did.

That specific flame? Yea.

[Dionysus]

This depends on how many Koreans you can get to micromanage the Zerg forces. :nuts

L,L

[Rice Ball]

Yes, I did. Did you see how fast Jounins were, moving without anyone else able to see them? Far better than anything the zerglings did.

That specific flame? Yea.

I guess we have different oppinions on how deadly the zerg swarm is.
(Only thing i agree on is what we disagree :P)

[ydraliskos]

Oh I give up .

[Gooba]

I just look at the ability of a marine to kill them, and you look at the ability of them to take hits from the battleships. The problem with SC is that they need to let the whole range of units attack and kill each other. So I just go by what I feel like their strength is supposed to be if the game was real.

[ydraliskos]

So I just go by what I feel like their strength is supposed to be if the game was real.

Well I guess we're picturing it completely different then, I dunno. In my head, the air battles happen on high statosphere/low orbit, and precision air to ground doesn't even happen, save for the lowest air units like mutas or wraiths. I don't see battlecruisers hitting marines either, not even buildings for that matter. Anyway let's leave it at that =d ..









( i bet you just don't like them because of all the koreans and the zergling rush >____________> )

[Suzumebachi]

Can we include more different Zerg units? Like Queens and the kind that shoots spores on people? Those things can win it for the Queen of Blades.

[ydraliskos]

Can we include more different Zerg units? Like Queens and the kind that shoots spores on people? Those things can win it for the Queen of Blades.

You just want to spawn broodling Itachi, you cheapo :D

(i'm with you)