Saint of Killers vs. Dark Schneider

[Endless Mike]

How this goes?

[CrazyMoronX]

SoK can't be killed, but his gun can kill immortal beings.

I think SoK wins this, even if DS is as fast as light. His shields won't be able to block the super bullet, and he shouldn't recover from death, if god of SoK can't.

[Comic Book Guy]

Nothing but true omnipotence (God on His Throne in Preacher) can stop Saint of Killers.

The only person who survived Saint of Killers was Cassidy, the vampire.

Saint of Killers can't be killed. He killed God, Satan, and even froze the fires of hell with his anger.

[Keollyn]

Nothing but true omnipotence (God on His Throne in Preacher) can stop Saint of Killers.

The only person who survived Saint of Killers was Cassidy, the vampire.

Saint of Killers can't be killed. He killed God, Satan, and even froze the fires of hell with his anger.

Sounds like something DS will accomplish eventually (that last part he already did)

[Comic Book Guy]

Well, when Saint of Killers first died and entered hell, his anger froze all of its fires.

This was before he was became the replacement of the Angel of Death as the immortal Saint of Killers.

In the end, he shot God in the head with his revolver (forged from the metal of the sword of death) and sat on His Throne, sleeping for the remainder of existence.

[Keollyn]

My fault, it wasn't freezing he did, but melting.

[Kage no Yume]

One of Dark Schneider's shields bans instant win attacks. He also has a shield that bans immortality.

And DS didn't freeze the fires of Hell because the author of the manga went with Dante's icy vision. DS melted the unmeltable lake of Cocytus with a low level fire spell before he even obtained the Judas Pain.

Dark Schneider takes this, with relative ease I might add. Not to mention that god and the devil in Bastard!! are omnipotent 24/7/365/eternity, so they'd annihilate SoK in an instant.

[Hirogon]

Dark Schneider takes this, with relative ease I might add. Not to mention that god and the devil in Bastard!! are omnipotent 24/7/365/eternity, so they'd annihilate SoK in an instant.

While I haven't actually read Bastard!!, from all I've heard the god and devil there fall well short of true omnipotence, due to the fact that there's stuff they can't do (like, say, will DS out of existence). Also, the fact that you'd classify both the god and devil as omnipotent creates a paradox that calls their omnipotence into question. For instance, assume one tries to will the other out of existance, but the other resists. What happens? If the one succeeds and destroys the other, then the other is not omnipotent, since their was something beyond its power. But if the first fails, then it is not omnipotent, as there was something beyond it's ability. Thus, it's impossible to have two omnipotent beings coexist.

[ydraliskos]

One of Dark Schneider's shields bans instant win attacks. He also has a shield that bans immortality.


Haha seriously? How do they describe it in the manga? The battledome shield?

[Insipidipity]

Thus, it's impossible to have two omnipotent beings coexist.
It's not impossible as long as they agree on everything. I'm not saying they'd be unable to disagree(because that would limit their omnipotency), but they just never do. Omnipotent beings defy logic(depending on your definition of omnipotency, whether they can do everything possible, or simply everything), because if they can't create another omnipotent being, they're not omnipotent.

[Keollyn]

While I haven't actually read Bastard!!, from all I've heard the god and devil there fall well short of true omnipotence, due to the fact that there's stuff they can't do (like, say, will DS out of existence). Also, the fact that you'd classify both the god and devil as omnipotent creates a paradox that calls their omnipotence into question. For instance, assume one tries to will the other out of existance, but the other resists. What happens? If the one succeeds and destroys the other, then the other is not omnipotent, since their was something beyond its power. But if the first fails, then it is not omnipotent, as there was something beyond it's ability. Thus, it's impossible to have two omnipotent beings coexist.

Not necessarily true. I think of Constantine when it comes to Bastard!! God and Devil. It's like an agreement. One isn't able to upstage the other. Just watch as their pawns are put to work for them (In God's case, the many archangels and in the Devil's case the demon kings and Darshu).

[Kage no Yume]

Not necessarily true. I think of Constantine when it comes to Bastard!! God and Devil. It's like an agreement. One isn't able to upstage the other. Just watch as their pawns are put to work for them (In God's case, the many archangels and in the Devil's case the demon kings and Darshu).

If I'm not mistaken, that's how it is in Bastard!!. Except that besides the pawns, both sides agreed on one champion. Dark Schneider is the Adam of Darkness and is Satan's champion, while god also has an Adam of Light who has yet to be revealed. When the two meet and fight, the winner's player takes all.

But both beings are indeed omnipotent. Thus the stalemate. Anything one wills, the other can unwill, and vice versa.