Yondaime's name - Uzumaki Arashi?

[Sesqoo]

who is uzumaki arashi.. his name was on the summon scroll were naruto had signed the contract with frog summons u could see 3 names jiraya, uzumaki arashi and naruto.. could it be 4th??

Edit: I make it easier for the newcomers and edit my first post and add the picture we've kinda been talking about here.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/lolish/arashiguide.jpg

[Zossima]

!!! how do you know that ???

can you read japanese ???

[Tsugakyu]

Scaaary... :yondaime

[Sesqoo]

!!! how do you know that ???

can you read japanese ???

lol no i cant..but i saw it on a picture translated by anbu/aone dont got the link so i cant show it...but im sure the first name was jirayia second was uzumaki arashi and 3 naruto..

[Tsugakyu]

Arashi means storm (Just FYI) :D

[Sesqoo]

yes heard that..but its a name still.. do u think it could be 4th... if im not wrong he could summon frogs and he was student of jiraya

[Zossima]

intriguing at least ! , the only reason i don't think that it is the 4th is because this theme hasn't been discussed a lot, or even never. other than that... it would make perfect sense to be the 4th sig.

[yelin]

imagine kishi just putting in lil hints for us to discover, imagine that aye,.

[darklide]

Yeah sure...
I think that i posted something like this some weeks earlier...
If someone could read the name before naruto on the paper tha jiraiya gave naruto then it'll give the name of the 4th...
But no one answered or at least they told me that they couldn't read the paper...

So thats cool...If thats true...then the 4th's name is uzumaki arashi...and he would be naruto's dad

But even though there'll be things that dont make sense then...
If the 4th is naruto's dad then how come nearly everyone in konoha hates naruto...

[Tsugakyu]

Yeah sure...
I think that i posted something like this some weeks earlier...
If someone could read the name before naruto on the paper tha jiraiya gave naruto then it'll give the name of the 4th...
But no one answered or at least they told me that they couldn't read the paper...

So thats cool...If thats true...then the 4th's name is uzumaki arashi...and he would be naruto's dad

But even though there'll be things that dont make sense then...
If the 4th is naruto's dad then how come nearly everyone in konoha hates naruto...

Maybe they dont know o_O;;

[darklide]

Maybe they dont know o_O;;

Uzumaki arashi and Uzumaki naruto...does it not ring a bell???
But u may be right they may not know too....

But there is another alternative which is that the 4th is not naruto's dad but someone of the uzumaki clan maybe a cousin or an uncle

[Crucifixation]

I highly doubt that. The writings on the scroll were totally illegible, and I have to stare at it for half an hour just to make out the characters for "Jiraiya".

[Sesqoo]

But even though there'll be things that dont make sense then...
If the 4th is naruto's dad then how come nearly everyone in konoha hates naruto...

maybe its his brother or something and in some way he was resbonsibe for his death... im almost sure anyway that they are atleast related..and kishi will soon probebly tell us ..maybe even in the gaiden

[Marvin]

nobody by that name is in Naruto, the name between Jiraiya and Naruto can't be read. cause it's too messy.

[Crucifixation]

nobody by that name is in Naruto, the name between Jiraiya and Naruto can't be read. cause it's too messy.
That's precisely my point.

[mao]

Well, since that name between Jiraiya and Naruto must be Yondaime's if he knew how to summon frogs (because I doubt that he would have learned summoning jutsu before his sensei), he sure has a messy handwriting for a Hokage ;)

Then again, maybe he's just fan of Japanese calligraphy. No way in hell I can read 95% of those either.
http://www.home-surgery.net/scroll.jpg

[yapster]

i dun see why its not yondaime's. the scroll is passed down from generation to generation. jiraiya, yondaime and now we have naruto though i'm still not sure wat yondaime's real name is

[Miso]

Could be!
I think that the 4th could summon the frog, too for he was a student of Jiraiya's.
But I personally don't like the idea that the 4th was an Uchiha.
I'd like it better when he was strong of his own and not belonging to that shitty Uchiha clan. They all fuss around it.
I'd like hard work better.

[PinkNHikari]

wat are the names before jiraiya's?

[mao]

wat are the names before jiraiya's?
Can't really figure out, there's only half or so showing of the first two names and the third one is too much for my poor kanji skills.

[Peklet]

Just look at THIS (http://galeon.com/pekletsan/KASEIYO.jpg).I scanned it from the spanish naruto volume 11.

[Sesqoo]

nobody by that name is in Naruto, the name between Jiraiya and Naruto can't be read. cause it's too messy.

how come anbu did translate it?

[$haringan]

how come anbu did translate it?
they have good eyes.

[tigerwoo]

it's definately the name of yondaime, however, does it really say uzumaki arashi? i read it as poledancer secret. so i think this means yondaime's name is a secret, and he comes from the poledancer clan. that naughty minx!

[YamazakiSusumu]

That Spanish translation is unreliable because they have it written that Naruto's says "Uzumaki" when it is clear that he has written "Na-Ru-To" in Hiragana. If they can't even read Hiragana, don't trust their reading of Kanji.

The scroll only has first names, so it defintely doesn't say Uzumaki Arashi/Kaseiyo.

[Sesqoo]

That Spanish translation is unreliable because they have it written that Naruto's says "Uzumaki" when it is clear that he has written "Na-Ru-To" in Hiragana. If they can't even read Hiragana, don't trust their reading of Kanji.

The scroll only has first names, so it defintely doesn't say Uzumaki Arashi/Kaseiyo.

so ur saying the best(anyway i think) translaters for the anime cant translate..and u can??

[Total Mod H@ter]

That Spanish translation is unreliable because they have it written that Naruto's says "Uzumaki" when it is clear that he has written "Na-Ru-To" in Hiragana. If they can't even read Hiragana, don't trust their reading of Kanji.

The scroll only has first names, so it defintely doesn't say Uzumaki Arashi/Kaseiyo.

you sure, i thought naruto said u-zu-ma-ki na-ru-to

[mao]

The scroll only has first names, so it defintely doesn't say Uzumaki Arashi/Kaseiyo.
Exactly. I found it a bit strange that Naruto wrote his name in hiragana (since from what I've learned, first names are usually written with either kanji or katakana), but there's definitely no space for 'Uzumaki' before his first name he's currently writing.

It's true that he spells his name "U-zu-ma-ki Na-ru-to" in the anime, but we've already seen how they sometimes screw things up there ;p

[Peklet]

That Spanish translation is unreliable because they have it written that Naruto's says "Uzumaki" when it is clear that he has written "Na-Ru-To" in Hiragana. If they can't even read Hiragana, don't trust their reading of Kanji.

The scroll only has first names, so it defintely doesn't say Uzumaki Arashi/Kaseiyo.

What? you saying that they are bad translators.. cause the say uzumaki instead of naruto... Yea, that's a good reason. Or not. I don't care if they wrote uzumaki or whatever. They translated Kaseiyo like they have translated the rest of the manga... But they don't translate literally like inane. That's why it doesn't matter if they write uzumaki or naruto

P.S I do trust translators of one of the best manga publishers in Spain

[Omote Renge]

how come anbu did translate it?
Can I see a picture? I watched the ANBU sub of the episode and it didn't have anything translated on the scroll.

[Sesqoo]

Can I see a picture? I watched the ANBU sub of the episode and it didn't have anything translated on the scroll.

i dont have it atm.. but i try to get it from my friend if he still have it..

[stormrunner]

If that was the name on the scroll, then we at least have proof that Naruto is not the 4ths son or the 4th. Arashi might have been a student of Jiraya alongside the 4th. That would explain why the 4th would choose Naruto as the vessel to Kyuubi

[rx-7r4g3]

it's definately the name of yondaime, however, does it really say uzumaki arashi? i read it as poledancer secret. so i think this means yondaime's name is a secret, and he comes from the poledancer clan. that naughty minx!
i meant tigerwoo sorry for the confusion

[Hyuga 4 Eyes]

If it does say "Uzumaki Arashi" in the scroll, then how come Naruto didnt go "AHHHHHH nanda dattebayo meowza" when he saw the name Uzumaki already in there?

[caliboy]

i checked the anbu translated episode, the scroll translated appears in episode 57 just when naruto passed out. but the anbu people showed that naruto and jiraiya's name were next to each other. no name in between, which is confusing. so it could be arashi, but until theres real proof its only speculation

[Chopstickx]

i always thought that the name before naruto's was yondaime but i could never make it out o_O and werent jiraiya and naruto's names right next to each other on the anime?...kishimoto did that on purpose -_- well maybe kakashi and his team will actually say yondaimes real name in the gaiden. <insert name here>-sensei! =P

[darklide]

i always thought that the name before naruto's was yondaime but i could never make it out o_O and werent jiraiya and naruto's names right next to each other on the anime?...kishimoto did that on purpose -_- well maybe kakashi and his team will actually say yondaimes real name in the gaiden. <insert name here>-sensei! =P

U've forgot something...Even if they mention the 4th's name in the gaiden...They will say something like <First name>-sensei and not the family name:(
So it wont be helpful except if the names are as the shika-ino-cho trio nin...
What i mean is that u wont guess the relation between naruto and the 4th with the 1st name except if the beginning of the name is the same for both...
Example:
Naruto and Naru<add something there>

[Chopstickx]

oh yea...-_-...well we can at least call him by his real name after that right? XD

[BattousaiMS]

who is uzumaki arashi.. his name was on the summon scroll were naruto had signed the contract with frog summons u could see 3 names jiraya, uzumaki arashi and naruto.. could it be 4th??

It is quite possible i remember seeing something like that too. But its funny to hear one of my swords name ^^.

Arashi would fit his name also, I mean rasengan is a typhoon and his last jutsus (i believe he did 3 jutsus in 240, a flash speed attack, 1 tracking seal, and his shunshin no jutsu) we see of him look like thunder flash attacks.

[Foxlove]

That theory could be true. The 4th was able to summon gama oyabin. So his name must be on the scroll. Up till now, we still don't know the 4th's real name. So Arashi Uzumaki could be his name. But refering from the image from Mao, the 4th is before jiraiya. How come? But still, if uzumaki is the 4th's name, we already know 2 things:
- He may be naruto's uncle, dad or some family relative
- An Uzumaki clan possibly existed.

But that's not fair! If he was naruto's dad, he gave his son an advantage by sealing the kyuubi inside him. Could he have foreseen that his son would, one day, becone one of the greatest if not THE greatest and strongest hokage?

Thanks for pointing this out Uzumaki Itachi ^[]^

[Foxlove]

It is quite possible i remember seeing something like that too. But its funny to hear one of my swords name ^^.

Arashi would fit his name also, I mean rasengan is a typhoon and his last jutsus (i believe he did 3 jutsus in 240, a flash speed attack, 1 tracking seal, and his shunshin no jutsu) we see of him look like thunder flash attacks.

Moreover in the gaiden, they call the 4th the "yellow flash" or something like that. Arashi = storm and in storm we get lightning which is a flash!

[BattousaiMS]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v346/Battousaims/Yondaime.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v346/Battousaims/Narutostat3y.gif
Note: when there is a ? it means i am guessing, since i don't know that info.
Stat are clockwise: Nin (dragon), Tai (tiger), Gen (snake), Knowledge (monkey), Strenght (ox), Speed (hare/rabbit), Stamina (dog), Seals (rat). My speculation.

[Gejimayu]

What part of illegible don't you people understand? Yeah, I trust the 'best manga publishers in Spain' because they're pretty damn good at just making up a name from half of a first kanji and then two illegible ones that could be anything given how screwed up they are.

Get a clue. We're not meant to know the 4th's name right now. "Uzumaki Arashi" or "Kaseiyo" are just guesses with no basis in fact and only tenuous links to possibility. Sure, it's POSSIBLE that those could be his name, but it's also possible that Naruto's father is Jiraiya after a one-night stand with Tsunade 13 years ago! Acting like there's evidence to back any of this up or suggest that this is something true and substantiated that we're supposed to notice is stupid.

[josh_x]

do we know the legendary sannin's family names?

[Hanzt]

Could be!
I think that the 4th could summon the frog, too for he was a student of Jiraiya's.
But I personally don't like the idea that the 4th was an Uchiha.
I'd like it better when he was strong of his own and not belonging to that shitty Uchiha clan. They all fuss around it.
I'd like hard work better.

offcorse he could use gama bunta.. he used it when he defeated Kyuubi.. and what?! Uchia?! where do you get that he's an Uchia?! stop dreaming man...

[BattousaiMS]

Some people tend to mix the sato with the actual naruto series ~.~.
That's probably where yondaime = uchina might come out off.
Gejimayu this is a descussion thread, not all have to be real, we are assuming, which mean it could or could not be true. If you can't stand it then don't get in, it's not like you are forced in here.

[Sesqoo]

Can I see a picture? I watched the ANBU sub of the episode and it didn't have anything translated on the scroll.

here u go
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/lolish/arashiguide.jpg

[Miso]

offcorse he could use gama bunta.. he used it when he defeated Kyuubi.. and what?! Uchia?! where do you get that he's an Uchia?! stop dreaming man...

Oh...well...I'm sorry...I got that wrong with the Uchiha clan...
He's of course none of the Uchiha at least that's what I hope for.

[BattousaiMS]

http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/graphics/arashi.jpg
Thats the original kanji for the word Arashi, but japanese writing dialect are hard to read sometimes so you be the guess.

[Sesqoo]

the topic is starting to get more interesting.. come on post ur thoughts.. i whant know what more ppl think:D

[Homerh]

i doubt kishimoto even knows yet until he plans to make an arc on it.

[maxhrk]

maybe Arashi's weak point is writing.


I guess he is genius at justu but he is not genius at writing.. rather suck at writing anyway heh.

[blind51de]

OKay. If anything, we've inadvertently come to a conclusion that Yondy isn't an Uzumaki.

The first kanji character looks like it could be "Arashi". If anything, that's likely his SURNAME.
As well, the anime's version of the scroll is most definitely not canon. It looks like they had more of a trouble reading it than we are, and just scribbled a bunch of crap.

Also, has it been determined that the "Kaseiyo" spanish translation of Yondy's characters after "Arashi" is a crock?

I kind of think people need to call this off, eventually we're just going to say: "The kanji is unreadable", but then start this convo all over again after it's forgotten.

[maxhrk]

i think other theory that author try to throw us off the track and make us speculate 4th hokage's name until he reveal it in this gaiden or next 'three-years-later' arc.

Just my opinion,
Maxhrk.

[mao]

Wow, thanks for the picture. The scroll really does have both first and last names although in the second panel it looks like there's no space for his last name.

But it looks like our poor Naruto doesn't know katakana :)

[Sesqoo]

i think other theory that author try to throw us off the track and make us speculate 4th hokage's name until he reveal it in this gaiden or next 'three-years-later' arc.

Just my opinion,
Maxhrk.

true.. look..every1 is discussing it.. its a way to make us be more..ohh forgot the word.. well it makes us want more to look on the show.. smart way to make the fans ..more excited:)..and watch watch untill the reveal..and then something new comes up..etc etc.. :smile-big

[BattousaiMS]

maybe Arashi's weak point is writing.


I guess he is genius at justu but he is not genius at writing.. rather suck at writing anyway heh.
I agree
:laugh . The forth must be 1 hell of a bad writer in the anime that is... since the manga one is more understandable.

[Sesshoumaru]

I'll just wait for the manga to reveal his name.

For all we know, the Yondaime's name could be Joe Higashi, Masashi Kishimoto or Naruto Uzumaki Sr. (Sr = Senior for those on the slow side)

[BattousaiMS]

Now that i think about it...
Jiraya maybe a Hatake...
I mean think of it, Kakashi also has spiky hair and its silver just like the geezer and they both read come come paradise.

It would work well also since that would mean that the Hatake and Uzumaki's were bonded clans.

Jiraya (Hatake) ---> Yondaime(Uzumaki Arashi ?) ---> Hatake Kakashi ---> Uzumaki Naruto
Kinda like this picture: http://laine.anime.net/Illustrations/Naruto/baka4.jpg

[spiderpig]

The first radical does not, in anyway resemble the radical for "arashi". It actually means "river".

[itachi_kage]

the only problem is...wouldn't more people know uzumaki was yondaime's name? and wouldnt naruto have seen uzamaki RIGHT NEXT TO HIS NAME? or maybe the 3rd gave naruto (an orphan) the name uzumaki to honor yondaime. that makes sense to, but i like your theory!

[gambunta]

Dr. hot dog thanks for contributing
it would actually be cool to at least know the name but i think that if it says arashi is kind of twisted the symbol

[Shunsui]

I remember this rumor, back in the day. (god i sound old XD) Anyway, it is mainly a rumor that was going around TW's forums a looooong time ago as far as i know. It was pretty much cast aside as wrong last time i checked. But I still think there is some connection between Yondaime and Naruto.

[Aleana]

yes that is the running theory on what Yondaime's name is^^ but its not set it stone yet

[d1eg0]

maybe we could know this very soon in the manga, but i guess that they are related

[Sabaku no Ira]

Just wondering, can anyone post the kanji of "Uzumaki"? That way we can compare and see if even that's a possibility...

[Khanaris]

The top character in the anime version looks a little like "strong", or the katakana character for "ka". In the manga version, it looks more like the kanji for "nani" 何 or "kawa" 河.
The last character in the anime version looks like the hiragana "n" ん but it has another symbol under it.

The rumor that his name was Arashi certainly didn't come from these scrolls.

巴 is the kanji for "Uzumaki". Not very impressive. Since it is a Japanese word, it is spelled out in hiragana, not katakana.

The other possible name (kaseiyo or something) is an attempt to translate the whole thing. The character some people called arashi is read as "ka".

I am of the opinion that Uzumaki is probably not Naruto's real name, anyway, so that is irrelevant.

[rikku]

>>渦巻鳴門<<。。。i think that's how u'll write it in kanji...according to my chinese version of Naruto manga

does 'uzumaki arashi' look like this in the anime/manga? >>> 渦巻嵐<<< in kanji, or >>>うずまきあらし<<< in hiragana, or >>>うずまき嵐<<<???

[Sol 3dge]

If it was right after Jiraiya's signature, then its the 4th. That proves he's related to Naruto.

[Axass]

If it was right after Jiraiya's signature, then its the 4th. That proves he's related to Naruto.

No, that proves that he indeed can summon toads like we knew already. How that even remotely proves that he's related to Naruto since we can't even read what is written on the scroll...

[caliboy]

i like the theory that uzumaki might not be his real name. who knows maybe the third made a rule for people not to say anything about naruto's past because it would create inner torment that the demon inside him caused his father's death. if that was the situation and i was naruto, i'd be suicidal cause kids can't handle that stuff well

[the_real_naruto]

I don't know about the name being uzumaki arashi, but i doesn't make any sense if the fourth's name is not between naruto and jiraiya. He summoned GamaBunta for sure during the kyuubi fight which means that he had to be able to summon frogs and as far as I can tell, the only way to summon frogs is to write your name on that scroll.

He couldn't have been able to summon frogs before his sensei unless he was the one who gave the scroll to jiraiya, which doesn' make sense because jirayia said that the scroll had been past down to him. Well.. I think he said that in the anime and I didn't read those chapters of the manga.

Then there are the pictures that don't even have a name in between naruto and jiraiya, I don't know what to make of that, unless it was just an atrist mistake which I doubt.

With that, the 4th had to have written his name in between jiraiya and naruto, which brings us back to trying to read the name in between...

I don't even know why I wrote all that just to get back to the beginning again.

[ZeroEXE]

Because people keep asking this question becuase there isn't a FAQ for the forums...

[thun]

I think its very likely that the 4th's name is between Jiraya's and Naruto's. I think thas obvius since we all know the fourth could summon Gamabunta.

[hikaru yuki]

or maybe its just a totally random shinobi who happened to sign the frog contract as well?

[Ingoman]

http://www.thehiddenlounge.com/summoningscroll.jpg

[Ingoman]

This is the name written before Naruto's name:
http://www.thehiddenlounge.com/yondaime.png

[Ingoman]

Yondaime's first name: close detail:
http://www.thehiddenlounge.com/yondaimegiven.png
Looks nothing like Arashi by the way :p

[Ingoman]

Here are all the discernable signatures on the scroll (the fifth name only the last kanji is partially visible) Naruto's family name is only half-visible, but it is immediately apparent to me at least that he is not related to any of the previous signatures.
so all together:

http://www.thehiddenlounge.com/narutoname.png | http://www.thehiddenlounge.com/yondaime.png | http://www.thehiddenlounge.com/secondname.png | http://www.thehiddenlounge.com/thirdname.png

Naruto is on the far left, and they go back in chronological order.

So that's it then. Naruto is NOT related to either Yondaime or Jiraiya. We know this now for certain.

[caliboy]

you deserve a rep for that ingoman

[YamazakiSusumu]

http://www.thehiddenlounge.com/narutoname.png | http://www.thehiddenlounge.com/yondaime.png | http://www.thehiddenlounge.com/secondname.png | http://www.thehiddenlounge.com/thirdname.png

Well... all I can tell from Yondaime's name is that the middle character kinda looks like the hiragana "E" which is this: え. The rest is jibberish to me.

EDIT: Actually, the first one looks a lot like this kanji: 向 which means direction and is pronounced "mu" (I think).

[Gunshin]

The first is obviously Naruto. The second looks like jiberish to me with the exception of "E". The third is Jiraiya. The fourth is weird too. The first character is "Kome", the second is "Jyu", and the third I can't read. I don't see anything that resembles "Arashi Uzumaki".

Heres the typical most common way for writing Arashi: "嵐" and I don't see anything there. Not to mention the middle character is "E", so its definately not "ARASHI UZUMAKI".

[Tenrow]

http://anti-freez.net/remek/naruto/n1garashiguide.jpg

Just for the heck of it heres the anime and manga form

[Gunshin]

From that pic the top looks like "A", however I still see no trace of Arashi or Uzumaki.

[RJLupin]

Thanks a lot for those pics Jiraiya12345 ! *a rep point for ya*

I still believe Naruto and the 4th are somehow related though :D

[Ingoman]

Alright, all three instances of Yondaime's name:

http://www.thehiddenlounge.com/yondaime-three.jpg

Maybe this can help people infer the name?

Hmm so let's see....

It could be Muei___ with the last character unknown.

[Axass]

I think they just wrote something without sense or extremely confused on purpose. There's no point in trying to understand what's written there... if the author wanted to tell us the name, he would've just clearly written it...

[Ingoman]

I think his family name was actually Mukaie = 向家

[BattousaiMS]

Kaseiyo =?

i know Kasei = Force of flame
and Seiyo = Fame

does it mean "fame of fire power" or something?

[Dynus]

From looking at the pictures it lookes like that the only person who put their surname is Naruto. So that gives no information on whether or not the fourth is an Uzumaki or any other clan/family/whatever.

I have a question. Isn't Arashi a female name or is it unisex? The only other times I've seen it were in X/Tsubasa.

[Katara]

I can't believe you're actually trying to read that! It's like staring at a screen of white noise; you're just going to end up warping it until you get something out of it that seems really cool.

[BattousaiMS]

Well, the trouble is that's not normal kanji writing, so it's hard to decipher. On top of that they are written diffrently in each chapter/episode, so it's very hard to destinguish.

I guess you can say Kishimoto want's to torment us with it. But I would agree that maybe Uzumaki is not his familiy name, i mean what if Naruto's family name was changed to hide his identity, which should be not that hard i mean swip some kanji here and there and you can probably end up with forth's family name for all we know.

[Shidoshi]

うずまき- Uzumaki　

なると　( ナルト ) - Naruto

The spot where Yondaime's signature is in, does not fit either the family name "Uzumaki" or even slightly resemble the given name "Naruto". In fact, none of the signatures even resemble it.

Kishimoto most likely did it like that on purpose, in order to prevent people from obsessing over it too much...

...unfortunately, I don't think he accounted for this board's obsessive-compulsive behavior.

[mftrunks]

nobody by that name is in Naruto, the name between Jiraiya and Naruto can't be read. cause it's too messy.

actually it can be read, you just have to be good at it, which obviously your not :D

[kenzerox]

I think it'd be pretty damn wrong for the village to not know the name of the fourth, and since Naruto is always like "I'm Uzumaki Naruto, and I won't lose to you bastards!" and whatnot, how would people not know he's his son? I mean, they call the 3rd's grandson young master (episode 2), why wouldn't the son of a hokage be a young master as well?

[Katara]

I think it'd be pretty damn wrong for the village to not know the name of the fourth, and since Naruto is always like "I'm Uzumaki Naruto, and I won't lose to you bastards!" and whatnot, how would people not know he's his son? I mean, they call the 3rd's grandson young master (episode 2), why wouldn't the son of a hokage be a young master as well?
Whoever said the villagers don't know the Fourth's name? It's only illegible to us. And why they wouldn't know Naruto was his son...well, if the fact that he had a kid at all was kept a secret and "Uzumaki" was just a pseudonym made up by the Third or Iruka or someone to keep that secret, and all that added to the fact that his parents were both dead as he grew up, it's pretty easy for Naruto's true lineage to be unknown.

[kenzerox]

true...I thought Yondaime being Naruto's father was the stupidest thing I ever heard, but recently I thought of something:

"Yo'zd, you don't tell somone to go grab the nearest baby around, then shove a demon into him."

Yondaime: Yo, um, I'd like a blond pimp baby that's gonna be sexy like me.
Mr. Yo: Got it Yo-ndaime
WRONG

Yondaime: Yo, um, go to my house, and there's an illegitimate child there. Grab it and bring it here, I'm gonna keep trying to suck out this demon fox.
Mr. Yo: *dirty thoughts*
RIGHT!

Yondaime kind of had to know if the kid would be a ninja, otherwise he'd just end up being some kid who made mad ramen with a demon fox inside him.

oh, and when Orochimaru's arms were deadified by the Death God, they only turned purple. Orochimaru isn't supposed to be able to move them. But he does?

If the Demon Fox had his soul eaten, then wouldn't he just turn into purple as well? What would they do with his body?

Who supported Naruto's living funds before he became a ninja?

[KuPo 9]

I've seen that "arashi" name before on a naruto item.. I think it was on a cell phonestrap that had pics of naruto and yondaime in it...

[jungwah8]

Yeah, I don't think the name is meant to be readable. I guess its good to try to see if you can get a name that fits. I'm not sure, but maybe we'll find out who's name that is later. Maybe Naruto will bring the topic up for some reason...

[Neenah]

uzumaki arashi.......**rinnnnnnnngggsss** well thatz a mystery........ well we never know if the name is actcully naruto' s dad. yeah.... yondaime being narutos dad...pfft ridiculous:notrust

[BattousaiMS]

I think one of the reason people call Yondaime Arashi is because it has a link in meanings with Naruto.

Arashi means storm or tempest in japanese. However, most people forget that their more then one meaning in Naruto's name, most people refer to the first one becuase he loves ramen. But a second translation of his name means Maelstorm.

So Maelstorm and Strom is pretty closely related, and usually people name their kids with names that are closely related to their names.

[darkspark]

it would make a lot of sense if it WAS yondaime's name. hence how they decided to name naruto. the same last name just because they wouldn't have known what else to call him (and i believe that naruto is yondaime, in a sense, in being "reborn as him", whatever), and naruto because of the swirly pattern on his stomach (the seal) (or maybe the person who named him was hungry??)

[i_nois_]

Yondaime IS Naruto's father...end of discussion...^^
Besides as I wrote it in another thread:
right...who is Uzumaki Arashi?
Since Jiraiya is the ceartaker of the croll and he choses who to grant the right to summon the frogs and also he was Yondaime's sensei....does it mean tah Yondaime's name is Uzumaki Arashi? lol, I knew that he's Naruto's father

And that's how it is in my opinion...

it would make a lot of sense if it WAS yondaime's name. hence how they decided to name naruto. the same last name just because they wouldn't have known what else to call him (and i believe that naruto is yondaime, in a sense, in being "reborn as him", whatever), and naruto because of the swirly pattern on his stomach (the seal) (or maybe the person who named him was hungry??)

Also agree, just look at the shiki fuujin tehnique...He could find some way to reborn...or he transfered the demon into his own baby trough(i dint know how to write this^^)the "thing" that connects mother to child when still not born or jst after the birth.
But the "reborn" would be cool too:D

[~Akuma]

Haaaaaaaa, i knew it.

I still belive that Arashi are Naruto's brother. :D

[malask]

We know very little about the events that took place during the battle with Nine Tails. Lots of people were killed, and the Fourth sacrificed himself to seal Nine Tails inside a newborn child. I have always thought that Naruto and the Fourth had some form of relation. There have been more than a few comments by people who personally knew the Fourth that Naruto is a lot like him. They even have a similar appearance. ;)

We have yet to learn anything about Naruto's parents, which is really rather odd. A newborn child just doesn't appear out of thin air in the nick of time to allow the Fourth to seal Nine Tails inside it. So his parents had to have been residents of the Leaf village. If they lived there, they had to have been known by other people, and most certainly by one specific person: the Fourth.

The Fourth had to have known of Naruto's birth during the final battle with Nine Tails in order to seal Nine Tails within the newly born Naruto. He most certainly would have known of such a birth if the mother of Naruto was his wife...

So imagine this: Prior to Nine Tails attack on Leaf village, the Fourth and his wife were a happily married couple expecting their first child to be born at anytime, in fact, labor could have begun just before Nine Tails attacked. The attack itself was sudden and caught Leaf village unprepared, so many people died at the beginning, but the Fourth rallied the Nin and pulled Nine Tails away from the village itself.

He left his wife who was in labor to help save the village from this overwhelming monster. At some poine two things happen: 1) It becomes clear to the Fourth that they cannot defeat Nine Tails, and 2) the Fourth learns that his wife has died during childbirth, but the baby survives. So the Fourth, having lost that which was most important to him, decides to use a forbidden jutsu in order to save the village and also his newborn son. Yet in so doing he will have to die, and will have to place a heavy burdne upon his son, but he does this anyway because it his duty to protect those who are important to him.

Now all that could make for some nice dramatic flashbacks at some point in the series, except for one thing: the people of Leaf village look upon Naruto as an outcast. That doesn't quite match up with how I would expect a village to react to the son of the man who saved them all. Yet, Naruto wasn't hated by everyone, certainly not by the Third and the other Nin (at least I do not recall seeing an indication of anyone other than common villagers hating Naruto).

So for now, I will let myself think that the Fourth was Naruto's father. Call me crazy.

[Vile.47]

I think one of the reason people call Yondaime Arashi is because it has a link in meanings with Naruto.

Arashi means storm or tempest in japanese. However, most people forget that their more then one meaning in Naruto's name, most people refer to the first one becuase he loves ramen. But a second translation of his name means Maelstorm.

So Maelstorm and Strom is pretty closely related, and usually people name their kids with names that are closely related to their names.
Rep you dude, I belive the Uzumaki(whirlpool) is caused by Arashi(storm) or Naurto(mealstorm). Kishimoto is tormenting us....

[vovinamer]

the thing is.. if you remember seeing the beginning of the series.. it shows yondaime on top of gamma bunta, so that has to be yondaime!!

[Kuma-san.]

-Blink, blink.- Spoiler Warning?: Wasn't Yondaime known as Konaha's.. um, what was it again.. Konoha's Yellow Flash? o.o; It sounds like another name for "lightning" and to have a name like Arashi.. yeah, it looks like it links together.

[Potentialflip]

That thing can't be read!!! Only thing readable there is Jiraiya's name. Then of course Naruto signs it. The other name is pretty messy and unreadable. It could be very well be the fourth since he is the only other known member to summon GamaBunta. But the name isn't clear. Whoever translated it surely did a very well guessing it and try to fool a lot of you guys.
Naruto would have figured it out and asked Jiraiya a question if he saw a name like that so for sure that name is totally different and is not Uzumaki Arashi.

[Gaara-Kazekage]

We know very little about the events that took place during the battle with Nine Tails. Lots of people were killed, and the Fourth sacrificed himself to seal Nine Tails inside a newborn child. I have always thought that Naruto and the Fourth had some form of relation. There have been more than a few comments by people who personally knew the Fourth that Naruto is a lot like him. They even have a similar appearance. ;)

We have yet to learn anything about Naruto's parents, which is really rather odd. A newborn child just doesn't appear out of thin air in the nick of time to allow the Fourth to seal Nine Tails inside it. So his parents had to have been residents of the Leaf village. If they lived there, they had to have been known by other people, and most certainly by one specific person: the Fourth.

The Fourth had to have known of Naruto's birth during the final battle with Nine Tails in order to seal Nine Tails within the newly born Naruto. He most certainly would have known of such a birth if the mother of Naruto was his wife...

So imagine this: Prior to Nine Tails attack on Leaf village, the Fourth and his wife were a happily married couple expecting their first child to be born at anytime, in fact, labor could have begun just before Nine Tails attacked. The attack itself was sudden and caught Leaf village unprepared, so many people died at the beginning, but the Fourth rallied the Nin and pulled Nine Tails away from the village itself.

He left his wife who was in labor to help save the village from this overwhelming monster. At some poine two things happen: 1) It becomes clear to the Fourth that they cannot defeat Nine Tails, and 2) the Fourth learns that his wife has died during childbirth, but the baby survives. So the Fourth, having lost that which was most important to him, decides to use a forbidden jutsu in order to save the village and also his newborn son. Yet in so doing he will have to die, and will have to place a heavy burdne upon his son, but he does this anyway because it his duty to protect those who are important to him.

Now all that could make for some nice dramatic flashbacks at some point in the series, except for one thing: the people of Leaf village look upon Naruto as an outcast. That doesn't quite match up with how I would expect a village to react to the son of the man who saved them all. Yet, Naruto wasn't hated by everyone, certainly not by the Third and the other Nin (at least I do not recall seeing an indication of anyone other than common villagers hating Naruto).

So for now, I will let myself think that the Fourth was Naruto's father. Call me crazy.
Rep :) Imaginative and romantic.

Mine is pretty straightforward: Yondaime has to get parental consent for putting a demon fox inside a babe. Hence, he has to be the parent/guardian of Naruto cos other lesser folks wouldn't dare let their child be the guinea pig.

[Squall_L_FF8]

It could be that Yondaime wanted a private life and few knew of it other then those closest to him. Probably the identity of his wife was also unknown by most. I guess it could be that his wife was from an enemy village and if the Konoha finds out, one or both would be outcast?

[deathstalker]

kishimoto as only hinted at what everybody wants. until he comes out and says who naruto parents are. what the 4th real name is. are they related. i'm dying to find out, but it is just speculation right now. i'm sure we will find out before this is over.

[liang]

ok boys & girls, the fourth is naruto's father and hes not dead but the head of akatsuki

[Naruto_Heart]

If Yondaime is truly Naruto's dad...

then it brings us to yet another intriguing question...

who is Naruto's mum then?

[Maedros]

It would be interesting to see if yondaime and Naruto were related, but I don't hold much faith in it.

[Suiko]

For me this confirms that the 4th was Naruto's father as he's the only person known to summon frogs between Naruto and Jiraiya, not only this but i think that the 4ths nickname had something to do with storm or something (which Arashi translates too), along with the almost identical looks and the fact that it'd be wrong of him to transfer the demon to someone elses child.
The only thing that's making me think otherwise is that it's such a coincidence that his child was born at such a perfect time.

[starsun]

Maybe it is fourth and the father of Naruto. But i must believe that it was a wrong translation.. i mean if naruto signed it himself, dont you think he would have read 'uzumaki arashi' and might have asked jiraya or something and ask "Who the hell is that, he got the same last name as I do"...

[Beatnik]

The connections between Naruto and the 4th always become more concrete as the series goes on. I finally decided that they were related for real when Naruto learnt the 4th's rasengan, which is a jutsu that has a spiral movement to it, hence the Uzumaki name.

Then again, I linked the 4th to Akatsuki too, because his coat (think I saw it in Naruto artbook) has the same patterns as that organisation... :confused

[Kyuubi_Xx]

Could be, but it's unlikely. Don't you think Naruto would notice the name 'Uzumaki' there if it really said that? True, Arashi links to his name, which is the only thing that really makes me think it could be the 4th. Other than that, I don't think it's him.

However... I do think the 4th is related to Naruto in some way... :P

[Beatnik]

Could be, but it's unlikely. Don't you think Naruto would notice the name 'Uzumaki' there if it really said that?

Naruto...The guy who pronounced Chakra as 'Chatora'...

[Kyuubi_Xx]

Yes, he's a goof, I know, but... I still think he'd notice it if that was what it really said. Naruto can be slow-witted at times, but I know he'd bring something up if he saw the name 'Uzumaki' there.

[Beatnik]

Maybe he cant read....

Ok, guys, new homework: Any proof that Naruto can read? Hit me!

[Xueyi]

I can't remember the actual order, but IF there is a name between Jiraiya's and Naruto's, it has to be the Yondaime. He's the only other Toad summonner - the only one besides Naruto who can summon Gama Bunta.

Arashi sounds like a possible name... But it's too scrawly to see.

[HellFire_UK]

If and when we find out what the relationship is between Yondaime and Naruto it'll be near the end. Then all we will have left to find out is what Kkaashi looks like under the mask.

[Druid_kami]

Well the 4th does look alot like Naruto and i think that someone posted earlier that Naruto wrote his name in a different style of japanese the Jiraya and the 4th. One can assume that if he did write his name in a different form of japanese, then Naruto can't read the form that Jiraya and the 4th used.

[skmt999]

I would have said he can't read - but then I remembered the written exam where he was looking for a problem he cold solve and not finding any. He had be able to read them to do that. ;-)

But since he obviously has ADD, I'm betting he can't read well

And I'm going to pretend that Yondie's name is Arashi untill proven otherwise. Because it sounds nice and it suits him.

In the meantime, I need to find screenshots of that scroll to scrutinize. If the name was missing in the anime, I'll have to make do with the manga scans. And hope that I can read ANYTHING. I do remember making out na-ru-to and laughting at his girlie writing.

[Kakashi_Love]

Wow, this is very exciting! After reading 7 pages of everyone's opinion...I've formulated this theory: (Remember when Kakashi first met Itachi and asked him if he wanted Sasuke? Well, Itachi said, "No. I am after the 4th's legacy." Which means that Naruto is the 4th's successor.)

Yondaime has a twin brother named Arashi. Yondaime is Konoha's Yellow Flash(Lightning) and Arashi is Konoha's Maelstrom (Storm)..together they are Kononha's lightning and storm. But Arashi is jealous of Yondaime powers and he also falls in love with Yondaime's teammate(let's call her the girl w/black hair standing next to him in the group pic). But she is in love w/Yondaime. So Arashi pretends to be Yondaime and impregnate her. Yondaime finds out and banish him from Konoha. Arashi becomes evil and leads the Kyuubi to Konoha forcing Yondaime to sacrifice his life. The girl with black hair(Yondaime's teammate) feels guilty about the whole situation and offer her son (Naruto) to be a container for the Kyuubi. She then commits suicide. Everyone is forbidden to talk about this tragic event and Naruto is hated as the Demon Fox. Arashi is thought to be dead from the fight w/Yondaime but he survives and forms Atkatsuki and is now the leader of Atkatsuki.

[Beatnik]

^Woah. :blink

[jboekel]

It is differently drawn, too; check de screencaps.

http://www.movieinc.nl/jeroen/scroll_1.jpg
http://www.movieinc.nl/jeroen/scroll_2.jpg
http://www.movieinc.nl/jeroen/scroll_3.jpg
Maybe it's on the nametag :O

http://www.movieinc.nl/jeroen/nametag.jpg

If you think the images should be displayed as links, I'm sorry then, please say so, I'll change it.

[Rice Ball]

I think in the anime it showed the 4th standing on top of the frog when he faught with 9 Tails.

So it could be true. (or at least in his family) The show hasn't shown narutos mother or father etc

[Demon Fox]

Yondaime has a twin brother named Arashi. Yondaime is Konoha's Yellow Flash(Lightning) and Arashi is Konoha's Maelstrom (Storm)..together they are Kononha's lightning and storm. But Arashi is jealous of Yondaime powers and he also falls in love with Yondaime's teammate(let's call her the girl w/black hair standing next to him in the group pic). But she is in love w/Yondaime. So Arashi pretends to be Yondaime and impregnate her. Yondaime finds out and banish him from Konoha. Arashi becomes evil and leads the Kyuubi to Konoha forcing Yondaime to sacrifice his life. The girl with black hair(Yondaime's teammate) feels guilty about the whole situation and offer her son (Naruto) to be a container for the Kyuubi. She then commits suicide. Everyone is forbidden to talk about this tragic event and Naruto is hated as the Demon Fox. Arashi is thought to be dead from the fight w/Yondaime but he survives and forms Atkatsuki and is now the leader of Atkatsuki.

Cool, I like this theory but I don't think "Arashi" could possibly lead the 9-Tails to destroy Konoha.

[Lion]

Wow, this is very exciting! After reading 7 pages of everyone's opinion...I've formulated this theory: (Remember when Kakashi first met Itachi and asked him if he wanted Sasuke? Well, Itachi said, "No. I am after the 4th's legacy." Which means that Naruto is the 4th's predecessor.)

Yondaime has a twin brother named Arashi. Yondaime is Konoha's Yellow Flash(Lightning) and Arashi is Konoha's Maelstrom (Storm)..together they are Kononha's lightning and storm. But Arashi is jealous of Yondaime powers and he also falls in love with Yondaime's teammate(let's call her the girl w/black hair standing next to him in the group pic). But she is in love w/Yondaime. So Arashi pretends to be Yondaime and impregnate her. Yondaime finds out and banish him from Konoha. Arashi becomes evil and leads the Kyuubi to Konoha forcing Yondaime to sacrifice his life. The girl with black hair(Yondaime's teammate) feels guilty about the whole situation and offer her son (Naruto) to be a container for the Kyuubi. She then commits suicide. Everyone is forbidden to talk about this tragic event and Naruto is hated as the Demon Fox. Arashi is thought to be dead from the fight w/Yondaime but he survives and forms Atkatsuki and is now the leader of Atkatsuki.

Goose bumps. Woah. :confused

This pic:

http://www.movieinc.nl/jeroen/scroll_2.jpg

The name next to naruto and the name over the next one - they look the same don't they? .... Maybe not. :amuse

[The 6th]

Wow, this is very exciting! After reading 7 pages of everyone's opinion...I've formulated this theory: (Remember when Kakashi first met Itachi and asked him if he wanted Sasuke? Well, Itachi said, "No. I am after the 4th's legacy." Which means that Naruto is the 4th's predecessor.)

Yondaime has a twin brother named Arashi. Yondaime is Konoha's Yellow Flash(Lightning) and Arashi is Konoha's Maelstrom (Storm)..together they are Kononha's lightning and storm. But Arashi is jealous of Yondaime powers and he also falls in love with Yondaime's teammate(let's call her the girl w/black hair standing next to him in the group pic). But she is in love w/Yondaime. So Arashi pretends to be Yondaime and impregnate her. Yondaime finds out and banish him from Konoha. Arashi becomes evil and leads the Kyuubi to Konoha forcing Yondaime to sacrifice his life. The girl with black hair(Yondaime's teammate) feels guilty about the whole situation and offer her son (Naruto) to be a container for the Kyuubi. She then commits suicide. Everyone is forbidden to talk about this tragic event and Naruto is hated as the Demon Fox. Arashi is thought to be dead from the fight w/Yondaime but he survives and forms Atkatsuki and is now the leader of Atkatsuki.
Is that you... Masashi Kishimoto? :wink

That certainly seems like a believable theory, if Arashi were able to even manipulate Kyuubi into attacking Konoha then he would have to be one powerful nin (leader of Akatsuki according to your theory).

I for one will be eagerly anticipating the arc regarding Naruto's past and any links to Yondaime.

[deathbychocolate]

hmm.. but then again.. if that was uzumaki arashi.. then wouldn't naruto be able to read the signature as well.. since he knows how to write uzumaki.. he would have at least noticed the uzumaki and maybe asked jiraiya.. hey ero sennin who is this guy after you and before me.

[Kakashi_Love]

maybe he overlooked it because he was too excited!

[Mikelikes2]

yondaime had this crazy jutsu that let him become asexual

[Kyuubi Naruto]

My guess is that he didnt put Uzumaki at all and put something similar to it. Maybe he even wrote it backwards

Ikamuzu

[TheVileOne]

Wow, this is very exciting! After reading 7 pages of everyone's opinion...I've formulated this theory: (Remember when Kakashi first met Itachi and asked him if he wanted Sasuke? Well, Itachi said, "No. I am after the 4th's legacy." Which means that Naruto is the 4th's predecessor.)



Umm...no. Predecessor refers to the person that came BEFORE you not after. The word you are looking for is SUCCESSOR. Also Naruto is referred to as Yondaime's legacy because it was Yondaime's last act that Naruto was sealed with Kyuubi and his final wish that he become a hero ninja. Yondaime's final legacy so to speak.

Though I do believe there is some sort of relationship between Yondaime and Naruto of some sort.

[Kakashi_Love]

well..it's all how we interpret legacy. and yeah i meant successor.

[Tsuuga]

Unless Naruto is Yondaime's father!

[SleepingDisaster]

kaseiyo is better than uzumaki arashi as yondaime name

he he he just joking :laugh

kishimoto-san !!! why don't you tell us !!!! (oh well, it's useless)

[dart533]

That'd be quite awesome if Yondaime was really Naruto's dad....

[hjkou]

hmm, i really do support this theory as the only person inbetween jiraiya and naruto who could summon frogs was 4th (as proved by gamabunta himself)..
but uzumaki as his name or not, asif naruto didnt notice the name..

FAR OUT :( gay kishi

[ghostgal]

What chap u guys talking about??

[Vanguard]

Arashi means storm (Just FYI) :D

if arahi means storm...then konoha yellow flash make even more sense!!!!!!!
rep for the poster and for the tarter of the thread

what a nice observation *wish i could read japanese*

[Aman]

You can't see the name on that scroll...

[Praetoriani]

Don't you think if it really said Uzumaki Arashi it'd have been translated and everywhere already? Then Japanese people'd already know for sure Naruto is related to the 4th.


I mean, this isn't just some small detail, this was a scroll. I'm sure Dattebayo or AonE would've picked it up with their translating already.

[ghostgal]

I can't read uzumaki arashi anywhere when naruto is signing........ Where have you read it??

[Oujisama]

Well it does say uzumaki, so whats there to argue about?

[ghostgal]

I can read jiraiya, some blur and naruto ><... f*cking kanji

Edit: wtf am I talking about. While Haruno is written with kanji, Uzumaki and Uchiha aren't.

[Lien]

Yondaime has a twin brother named Arashi. Yondaime is Konoha's Yellow Flash(Lightning) and Arashi is Konoha's Maelstrom (Storm)..together they are Kononha's lightning and storm. But Arashi is jealous of Yondaime powers and he also falls in love with Yondaime's teammate(let's call her the girl w/black hair standing next to him in the group pic). But she is in love w/Yondaime. So Arashi pretends to be Yondaime and impregnate her. Yondaime finds out and banish him from Konoha. Arashi becomes evil and leads the Kyuubi to Konoha forcing Yondaime to sacrifice his life. The girl with black hair(Yondaime's teammate) feels guilty about the whole situation and offer her son (Naruto) to be a container for the Kyuubi. She then commits suicide. Everyone is forbidden to talk about this tragic event and Naruto is hated as the Demon Fox. Arashi is thought to be dead from the fight w/Yondaime but he survives and forms Atkatsuki and is now the leader of Atkatsuki.

Out of all the theories and people saying how Yondaime is Naruto's father, this is the only explained and sounds like the most logical theory! - U deserve some rep! x

[kumagoro_usagi]

Unless Naruto is Yondaime's father!
Now things are getting even more confusing...

[KageRyu]

Kakashi_Love's theory does make sense. Nice work!

[sasuke_sama]

Nice theory, but when sarutobi used the same Jutsu, he got the same seal as Naruto on his stomach, my friend explained it that the jutsu not only seals the power inside you and take your life,but it returne you as a kid, I dont know, its only some thougts, what do you think guys?

[Hyuuga-Sama]

Nice theory, but when sarutobi used the same Jutsu, he got the same seal as Naruto on his stomach

That's one of the main points of confusion. No one really knows and most can only speculate. I personally think that Yondaime did something different with that jutsu such as sacrificing another life including his own so that Kyuubi might be sealed into Naruto. That could explain why he never had a family because his Father,Yondaime, and his Mother(unknown) sacrificed theirselves.

my friend explained it that the jutsu not only seals the power inside you and take your life,but it returne you as a kid, I dont know, its only some thougts, what do you think guys


Don't know about that statement of yours that says you get reincarnated as a kid after the Shikki Fuujin jutsu. I believe the user's soul gets trapped along with the target of the sealing.

[sasuke_sama]

Don't know about that statement of yours that says you get reincarnated as a kid after the Shikki Fuujin jutsu. I believe the user's soul gets trapped along with the target of the sealing.

Then how do you explain the mark on Sarutobi,which is supposed to be on the fourth as well, not Naruto. This is only a theory and dont have to be right.

[ceryph]

mm if naruto is related to the 4th.. that would kinda make tsunade his aunt. in a way.
kindof..

and if arashi was the leader of akatsuki why would he be evil and want to take his son in forcefully

jsut playing devil's advocate

[Danchou]

That's intruiging to say the least.

[HisshouBuraiKen]

It Is All Bullshit. The Name Is Untranslatable. Get Over It.

[Hyuuga-Sama]

Then how do you explain the mark on Sarutobi,which is supposed to be on the fourth as well, not Naruto. This is only a theory and dont have to be right.

Exactly, I can't explain it. No one can as of the moment. Read the first half of my post, it is also a theory.

[ComeComeParadise]

From what I see/understand/interpret from the manga, volume 11 chapter 92 page 44, the scribble after Jiraiya's name is completely illegible, I don't know where you guys see the 'Uzumaki' at all. But I'd love to think this theory as the truth. I want Yondaime to be Naruto's dad =.=

[maziyarutei]

from the anime, even though there are no translation on the script but if you compare naruto's name and the other names there are no words similiar to uzumaki.

[cashmare]

Wow, this is very exciting! After reading 7 pages of everyone's opinion...I've formulated this theory: (Remember when Kakashi first met Itachi and asked him if he wanted Sasuke? Well, Itachi said, "No. I am after the 4th's legacy." Which means that Naruto is the 4th's successor.)

Yondaime has a twin brother named Arashi. Yondaime is Konoha's Yellow Flash(Lightning) and Arashi is Konoha's Maelstrom (Storm)..together they are Kononha's lightning and storm. But Arashi is jealous of Yondaime powers and he also falls in love with Yondaime's teammate(let's call her the girl w/black hair standing next to him in the group pic). But she is in love w/Yondaime. So Arashi pretends to be Yondaime and impregnate her. Yondaime finds out and banish him from Konoha. Arashi becomes evil and leads the Kyuubi to Konoha forcing Yondaime to sacrifice his life. The girl with black hair(Yondaime's teammate) feels guilty about the whole situation and offer her son (Naruto) to be a container for the Kyuubi. She then commits suicide. Everyone is forbidden to talk about this tragic event and Naruto is hated as the Demon Fox. Arashi is thought to be dead from the fight w/Yondaime but he survives and forms Atkatsuki and is now the leader of Atkatsuki.
woah woah woah!! man i have to say that this is by far the deepest theory that i have ever read. a very good one at that too. well i hope its true but apart from the part that says that he is narutos father rather than yondaime

[lefty]

Here is yet one more shot of something if it helps any. I can't read any of this so It's meaningless to me.

http://stuff.illimited.net/naruto1.jpg

I think maybe even if Naruto could read the name next to his, he was too excited about putting in his own name to read the others.

I think it's pretty obvious the relation. There are several mentions of the simularities. Plus, how many people in the Naruto world have blonde hair and blue eyes? Naruto and...

Well, I guess we'll see some time.

[sezo]

we only have to wait the time will come and kishimoto will tell us

[maziyarutei]

ohh and i found out that the name before jiraiya's is something daime, so shuold be sandaime or yondaime's name.

[zingymaster]

has anyone actually come up with this theory that jiraya might be naruto's grand dad.

[NarutardKK]

I know I'm late on this but oh well.

Well the 4th does look alot like Naruto and i think that someone posted earlier that Naruto wrote his name in a different style of japanese the Jiraya and the 4th. One can assume that if he did write his name in a different form of japanese, then Naruto can't read the form that Jiraya and the 4th used.

That's cause there are three forms of Japanese writing: Katakana, Hirigana, and Kanji. Naruto has to write his in Katakana because that's how they actually spell name in Japanese. But Jiraiya and Yondaime probably use Kanji or a mixture of Kanji and Hirigana. Simple as that.

has anyone actually come up with this theory that jiraya might be naruto's grand dad.

Yes, there is a thread called Grandfather, Father, and Child or something like that.

ohh and i found out that the name before jiraiya's is something daime, so shuold be sandaime or yondaime's name.

Yes, he probably did sign it like that because thats his identity as of yet. Kishimoto DOES NOT want us to know his name, not yet. He knew people would be able to read it if they saw it so he just left it as Yondaime.

[Similac]

Didn't he elude to the fact that the frog he summoned was one of the frogs that only the fourth could ride?

something allong those lines.

[maziyarutei]

Yes, he probably did sign it like that because thats his identity as of yet. Kishimoto DOES NOT want us to know his name, not yet. He knew people would be able to read it if they saw it so he just left it as Yondaime.

how did you know its yondaime's name?? i don't know how to read kanji but kanji was derieve from chinese character and i just made a guess, i am sure the last two words was daime but just wasn't sure the first word, and i guess that since the name before naruto was jiraiya's (aone sub),and the name before jiraiya shuold belongs to sandaime since he was jiraiya's sensei and the fact that he could summon enma.

i don't know, just doing some wild guesses here. :P

[Rokudaime_Fireshadow]

The only problem with the Arashi being his father theory is that surely there would be Arashi and Yondaime's signatures between Naruto's and Jiraya's. I do like the idea though as it would fit in nicely with the story for Naruto to eventually have to face off against his father.

Just because Naruto is refered to as the 4th's legacy doesnt make him his son, as he is what Yondaime died to create, Naruto is his legacy regardless of his parentage.

[General Shino]

who is uzumaki arashi.. his name was on the summon scroll were naruto had signed the contract with frog summons u could see 3 names jiraya, uzumaki arashi and naruto.. could it be 4th??


holy hell.... nice eye.... im repping you and everyone else should too... even if you are wrong its pretty interesting.. you may be on to something BIG!

[Strider-Hiryu]

im not sure, but i think that there is a thread where the 4th name is revealed that may be it.

[ShounenSuki]

It's obvious that the name between Naruto's and Jiraiya's names is the name of the Yondaime. He's the only other person we know of who could summon frogs, and I doubt he learned it before Jiraiya. Besides, even if he did learn it before Jiraiya his name would still be on the scroll, since the name before Jiraiya's name is also visible (and even a bit more legible). However I doubt the second name on the scroll, if it really is a name and not just some nonsense, can be decivered, at least not by me...

[writtenlife]

Yeah sure...
I think that i posted something like this some weeks earlier...
If someone could read the name before naruto on the paper tha jiraiya gave naruto then it'll give the name of the 4th...
But no one answered or at least they told me that they couldn't read the paper...

So thats cool...If thats true...then the 4th's name is uzumaki arashi...and he would be naruto's dad

But even though there'll be things that dont make sense then...
If the 4th is naruto's dad then how come nearly everyone in konoha hates naruto...


That doesn't atomatically make the 4th his dad, just a relative of some sort.

[PohaB3aR]

maybe its yondaime is naruto brother ..

[SukeAratachi]

maybe naruto is yondaime

[stupidify]

Originally Posted by Kakashi_Love
Wow, this is very exciting! After reading 7 pages of everyone's opinion...I've formulated this theory: (Remember when Kakashi first met Itachi and asked him if he wanted Sasuke? Well, Itachi said, "No. I am after the 4th's legacy." Which means that Naruto is the 4th's predecessor.)

Yondaime has a twin brother named Arashi. Yondaime is Konoha's Yellow Flash(Lightning) and Arashi is Konoha's Maelstrom (Storm)..together they are Kononha's lightning and storm. But Arashi is jealous of Yondaime powers and he also falls in love with Yondaime's teammate(let's call her the girl w/black hair standing next to him in the group pic). But she is in love w/Yondaime. So Arashi pretends to be Yondaime and impregnate her. Yondaime finds out and banish him from Konoha. Arashi becomes evil and leads the Kyuubi to Konoha forcing Yondaime to sacrifice his life. The girl with black hair(Yondaime's teammate) feels guilty about the whole situation and offer her son (Naruto) to be a container for the Kyuubi. She then commits suicide. Everyone is forbidden to talk about this tragic event and Naruto is hated as the Demon Fox. Arashi is thought to be dead from the fight w/Yondaime but he survives and forms Atkatsuki and is now the leader of Atkatsuki

but does "arashi" you mean has signed in the scroll, then it means he's the fourth?

[dorkeemindee]

Well...if the name "WAS" correct then I'd guess it to be the Forth Hokage only because that big frog (I forgot his name :P ) said "The last person to summon me like this was the forth..." or something like that and he was (as assumed) the last person to sign... :blink

Did that make any sense? Lol.

[Akaryu Seiji]

I'm also a friend of the "Maybe Yondaime is Naruto?" Theory. As someone stated before, maybe the jutsu does make you younger again, and it would also explain why there are no parents for Naruto (if he was Yondaime, they may have passed away at some other time etc).

Well, some other questions for the Japanese experts here. Doesn't Uzumaki mean "Spiral"? Some time ago I found some movie called "Uzumaki - The Spiral", it seamed like a good conclusion at that time, thinking about the sigils on Narutos body, the tornado/spiral form of Rasengan and so on. And well... don't you think that Arashi (Storm) may also be some play on that theme?

Well, just my two cents.
Gotta get to work,
bye :)

[ZeonNoMamono]

who is uzumaki arashi.. his name was on the summon scroll were naruto had signed the contract with frog summons u could see 3 names jiraya, uzumaki arashi and naruto.. could it be 4th??

Im pretty sure it said KAZAMA Arashi from what a pic I saw said... Ah well, he's Naruto's dad, Uzamaki on his moms side.

[gomen]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v346/Battousaims/Yondaime.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v346/Battousaims/Narutostat3y.gif
Note: when there is a ? it means i am guessing, since i don't know that info.
Stat are clockwise: Nin (dragon), Tai (tiger), Gen (snake), Knowledge (monkey), Strenght (ox), Speed (hare/rabbit), Stamina (dog), Seals (rat). My speculation.


Both those pictures are of Yondaime though arent they?. About the stats I have no idea but it might be accurate if he's ANBU. :huh

[ZeonNoMamono]

Thats impossible. Narutos 14.5 now and Genin. No one can get to ANBU in half a year from Genin.

[9Tail-Hokage]

I guess no one paid attention to the first episode where I saw the 4th Hokage clearly upon Gama Bunta's head.

[Kidd]

Now, Ingoman posted this picture (http://www.thehiddenlounge.com/yondaime-three.jpg) which is supposed to have all instances of his name on it.

Now, before I even start dissecting this, isn't it clearly obvious that these three instances have completely different writings? It's not even the -same- doodles every time, how could we actually read something of it and believe in it? The middle's kanji seems to be "mon" as in "a gate", which is completely different from the other two kanji. The only thing that seems to remain kinda the same is the last character, which I believe to be え, pronounced "e". But wait, that character isn't on the third panel, but I suppose that could be chopped off. In the second panel I read the second character as ス, "su" (and that's really pushing it), whereas in the other two it's obviously kanji - two different kanji for that matter. And heck, it's kanji with radicals I don't even recognize.

It could be just that I suck too much at reading hand-written japanese to be able to recognize the radicals, but I think it's more probable that there's a reason the questions like "what's the fourth's name?" "is the fourth naruto's dad?" and the like are unquestioned at japanese forums as well. Simply put, you're not supposed to be able to read this. Why would it be made so it's so easy to read Naruto and Jiraiya but not the name in the middle? Bingo: you're not supposed to know.

As for that spanish translation (the link was dead btw), I don't care what any spanish manga volume says. They could've typed anything they wanted there and gotten away with it. And guess what? They did. When translating a manga, all you get is the original manga in high resolution format - that's all. What's supposed to be unreadable remains that way, and the original manga artist and his publisher won't tell you a thing no matter how much you ask. All you have is your manga just the same way everyone in japan sees the manga, then it's time for some photoshopping. Technically there is no difference between a scanlation group and an official nationwide translation, other than that one gets money for it and also gets higher quality raws than the other. If my swedish license of Naruto would've been put through, I could've written "Uzumaki Moron" if I wanted to, cause I have the power to pull shit out of my ass if I want to.

It Is All Bullshit. The Name Is Untranslatable. Get Over It.^Methinks you should all listen to this person. :P Hi hisshou btw, I don't visit this place normally - I was just linked to this thread - but it's nice to see familiar faces around, heh heh.

[ph0921]

thats pretty neat

[GenoBreaker]

thats freaking crazy it would make sence for it to be his dad

[BabY TaLk]

here u go
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/lolish/arashiguide.jpg


i saw this and i was wondering that .. naruto was the last one who write his name .. but as i see his pic there was a name after naruto (Wat the hell).. i bet something is wrong with all this idea and thingy .

[kurisawa]

i didnt notice any characters written on the scroll. yeah, im blind

[caliboy]

just look at the resemblence in my sig

[Nidaime]

I have a good reason why Naruto is Yondaime's son! We heard of Chyo-ba that many countrys tried to control the Jin... . And they tried the best they'ld to be the strongest. So Yondaime put Kyuubi into Naruto like it was did with Gaara. Was'nt his father the old Kage too? They were Hokage and did'nt wanted to loose one of his people so they used their sons, the ones, they could control be best.
And that's why Arashi ist Yondaime and Yondaime is Naruto's son. :smile-big

[Knocker]

Unless Naruto is Yondaime's father!

now that's messed up.

what is that girl's name? (the girl with the black hair) - don't you ALL have black hair?) hmm.... i think Naruto's parents would have yellow or Blonde hairs. (don't you? )

good theory tho, we'll see .. the truth ONE DAY!

[minou]

who sign the scroll first did it say that?

[Yuhara]

If this uzumaki arashi person does exist, couldn't it mean this could be Naruto's father and not be the 4th? i dont understand why the creator went threw the trouble of writing down a nother name on the scrol and have it really mean the 4th... it might be possable he may be introducing a new character that may apear later.... just maybe.

[Triggenism]

Yeah it is very possible that he can be his father, one question remains thought.
who is Naruto's mother?

[theshinobi417]

I have a good reason why Naruto is Yondaime's son! We heard of Chyo-ba that many countrys tried to control the Jin... . And they tried the best they'ld to be the strongest. So Yondaime put Kyuubi into Naruto like it was did with Gaara. Was'nt his father the old Kage too? They were Hokage and did'nt wanted to loose one of his people so they used their sons, the ones, they could control be best.
And that's why Arashi ist Yondaime and Yondaime is Naruto's son. :smile-big

To add, the old lady that appears from suna said that she seald the jin.. in garaa.....

[Hyuuga_Annise]

I'm coming to this rather late in the day, so forgive me if I'm just rehashing everything everyone else has already said. I'm only posting, because a friend of mine and myself both have thought (before I even saw this thread) that Naruto was the fourth Hokage's son.

I accept that the scroll is not admissable, as there are too many different forms and translations, and I doubt that they'd put on family names. I do like the name Arashi though. If it did say Uzumaki, no way would Naruto have missed it, but if it was just the given name, he might have. I wouldn't have thought that the name could be anything other than Yondaime's, as Yondaime was trained by Jaraiya, and we know both summoned the frogs.

Here's my thoughts:

1. Naruto and Yondaime have the same hair and the same eyes. Look at some of the other father-son pairings: Shikamaru's dad, Chouji's dad... Definate family resemblances.

2. When Naruto was riding Gamabunta, Gamabunta ignored him the first time Naruto told him his name, but the second time, he seemed interested.

3. When Naruto was riding Gamabunta, Jaraiya (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) said something along the lines of... "well, the last person to summon Gamabunta was the fourth..."

4. It does seem unlikely that the fourth would stick the demon into some poor unsuspecting soul's baby.

5. It would explain why Naruto is an orphan: if his mother died in childbirth, or soon after, and Yondaime died fighting the fox, of course he's an orphan.

Of course, there are againsts: a lot of people died fighting the fox, and with the extra chakra that Naruto's got, he would be able to summon pretty much whatever he wanted.
Also, why has no one told him, and why does no one like him: well, no one likes him because whoever's son he is, he still has a demon in his belly. Why has no one told him: two possibilities:
firstly, no one knew. If Naruto was illegitimate, for example, the 4th may not have told anyone he had a kid. He could have been named Uzumaki in honour of the fourth despite that because no one knew who his parents were... I know I'm kind of clutching there, but hey. And what if the 4th isn't an Uzumaki, and Naruto was just named that... doesn't mean the 4th isn't his dad.
secondly, maybe no one was/is allowed to tell him: they weren't allowed to tell him about the demon. Maybe that was forbidden too. Like someone said, it might screw a kid up to know that he was carrying the demon that killed his dad around with him.


I must say I'm confused about the sealing technique though. The whole thing about the 3rd having the seal on him, not on a kid, is a bit weird. However, we know the 3rd had trouble when he was tring to seal Orochimaru. Maybe, because the fox is much bigger and has a bigger soul and more chakra, it couldn't all be sealed in the same way. Just a thought :)
I also kinda like the idea of Naruto being the 4th... would be kinda cool if he got de-aged. However, from what I know, wasn't the fourth supposed to be an elite... Naruto is somewhat lacking in the natural ability department. Then... maybe that's because he was getting used to have the two chakras.

Okay, I'm rambling now... this is already a huge post. I'll be quiet.

[Ninja_dude]

yo, homes long time no see. naruto's is a compound of 2-3 seals i think, jiraiya said this. so, i don't think that the deathgod seal and the kyubi seal is the same, and plus we didn't see any giant dude with a knife in his mouth during the first episode. so maybe it's a different jutsu.

[Hyuuga_Annise]

yo, homes long time no see. naruto's is a compound of 2-3 seals i think, jiraiya said this. so, i don't think that the deathgod seal and the kyubi seal is the same, and plus we didn't see any giant dude with a knife in his mouth during the first episode. so maybe it's a different jutsu.

The third said it was the same Jutsu. And when the 3rd sealed the two previous hokages, his shadow clones had the same seal on their bellies as Naruto has on his. Plus, I doubt there are that many forbidden jutsus for sealing souls in bodies that result in the death of the user.

However... if it results in the death of the user, makes you wonder how it got passed on...

[qOcOp]

could be the 4ths's papa.....naruto grandpa.

[nitro44]

WOOOOW .. are you sure?
if it is real .. the 4 th is naruto faher for sure

[Nihongaeri]

http://www.thehiddenlounge.com/yondaime.png... Yeah!!! Let me add to the pointless speculation!!!

珂矢久 'kayaku'

Cuz... Umm... It's something you might put in ramen, just like "naruto". I actually ran into this one on a Japanese site. It seems to be somewhat likely to me, to be honest...

[Kakashi_Love]

Hmm..I like the first one...珂矢久 'kayaku'

[Nihongaeri]

Hmm..I like the first one...珂矢久 'kayaku'Well, since that's the only one that was really serious, that's a good thing. :smile-big

[Dyroness]

Whoa there. Kayaku.
I find it most interesting, the resemblance to that ramen thing.
Definitely a subject to poke at.

[Hef]

Whoa there. Kayaku.
I find it most interesting, the resemblance to that ramen thing.
Definitely a subject to poke at.
OH nooooooooooooooo~ No more of this Yondaime is Naruto's dad... thingcrap

Nice avatar, btw. :laugh

[Kakashigurl20]

seriously would ppl just quit it with that theory of Yondiame and naruto???

[freegood]

The 4th could adopt Naruto as he's an orphan. There wouldn't be a biological connection....

[Birdhouse_05]

I bet its the Fourth

[9TalesOfDestruction]

I think Naruto is the 4th....possibly some side effect of using the death seal on the kyubi

He's most likely his dad though, there hair is too similiar wich allways seems to be a defining trait in anime

i'm done though, i'm sure this has been debated to death......I just looked at the translated anime, and it only say's Jiraiya and Naruto's name

[azn_sephiroth]

oh damn...never noticed that one.

[Heldensheld]

The two writing of Yondaime and Naruto is so DIFFERENT.

[Akaiyasha]

I must say I'm confused about the sealing technique though. The whole thing about the 3rd having the seal on him, not on a kid, is a bit weird. However, we know the 3rd had trouble when he was tring to seal Orochimaru. Maybe, because the fox is much bigger and has a bigger soul and more chakra, it couldn't all be sealed in the same way. Just a thought :)

I think the Sealing technique has more to it then it appears... General statement I know. But let me break it down.. The first part of the technique is preparing where the "sealed" object will go. It does kill you, so when the Third was pulling out Orochi's soul, he was trying to seal it in his body, which was going to die...

He did have the same markings of the seal as naruto, but I doubt the third would've been stupid enough to seal away Orochi's soul in a (living) body. Because he knew Orochi was a genius (and he admitted that he wouldn't have been able to kill him) he used his last gambit.. Seal him in a dieing body before he can figure out how to escape it.

Orochi's more versatile then the Nine Tails in a sense that he'd probably be able to use a jutsu to get out of the body of whatever was hosting him, where as the nine tails would try to power its way out. So by sealing Orochi to his dieing body, he'd firmly secure his death. The Nine Tails didn't agree to help Naruto until Naruto threatened him (sorta). Where as if you'd even look at Orochi, you'd probably be caught in a genjitsu and tricked into letting him out.

[Heldensheld]

Dang these plot makers...

[Uchiha_Sasuke_12]

whoa, flashbacks of that prolonged seal attempt by the third. lucky for me i came late in the game and didn't have to wait for that weekly.

oh, btw, i kinda zoomed through this thread, was there a consensus on the name of yondaime?

[Kickmeister]

What? No, no, no! Everyone knows Arashi is actually Sasame's cousin (Arashi-niichan), you know the guy from the Fuuma Clan in the country of Field.. What? A filler you say?

[*MokurenOnEarth*]

I was thinking.. if the Yondaime is Naruto's father.. why would he seal a demon in him and cause his child years and years of pain, suffering, and isolation? At the same time.. if he is the man that is supposed protect and care for the village and it's people, how could inflict that pain on the family of someone else? (hopefully no one said this.. like Uchiha_Sasuke_12, I zoomed through this thread....)

[Nighthawk]

1. His name isn't Arashi.
2. He isn't Naruto's father.

[Shiron]

1. His name isn't Arashi.
2. He isn't Naruto's father.
It's awfully brave of you to just declare that as fact, with no evidence backing your statements. Yes, Yondaime's name might not be Arashi. However, there is A LOT more evidence supporting the theory that Yondaime could be Naruto's father, than the theory that they aren't related at all. If you need me to provide evidence to this, than I will, but I really don't think it's necessary. But please, in the future, do not make statements like those with no evidence behind them, treating them like they are fact.

Anyways, I like Nihongaeri's "kayaku" idea. It would really fit him nicely, if he is indeed Naruto's father. - MnK

[Jink]

It could have just been a joke, I seen that episode to and they didnt show the other names on the scroll, they only showed jiraiyas

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/2420/dfjhj3su.jpg

But I am a sole beleiver that yondaime is narutos father, no doubt about it, I mean he looks like him, he acted like him, narutos progressing to the point where hes knowing the same techniques as the 4th, I mean how stupid can you be to deny that they're father and son?

[Nighthawk]

It's awfully brave of you to just declare that as fact, with no evidence backing your statements.

Nope, you are 100% wrong my friend. Those with crazy theories have to come up with facts, not those who simply state what the manga has given us. Naruto is an orphan and his parents are unknown.

[*MokurenOnEarth*]

It is true that the manga has not told us who Naruto's family is, but I don't think it's accurate at all to say that the manga has not given us hints! Besides their similar jutsus and the fact that they are blonde, there are times in which the 4th's actions in his younger days are parallel to Naruto's, which suggests at least some sort of relation. It could be that their lives are paralleled to show why Naruto has the promise of become Hokage or it could be something deeper, such as a direct familial relationship...

[Kamendex]

You guys honestly think, that when reading that Naruto completely missed the connection between the 2 Uzumaki names o.o


Or maybe he didnt miss it, and he knew the whole time and thats why he put his fist up to the 4th's head on the mountain

[*MokurenOnEarth*]

hmmm... good point, Kamendex. But many people seem to suggest that Yondaime's name was too messy to read... maybe he just couldn't read it...

[Kamendex]

Meh, obviously not messy enough for whoever translated it o.o

[DypHal]

Besides their similar jutsus and the fact that they are blonde, there are times in which the 4th's actions in his younger days are parallel to Naruto's, which suggests at least some sort of relation.
Hokay. Similar techniques: same Sensei. Similar haircolour: Then you could say Ino's dad is his father. They act the same way: So Konohamaru is Naruto's son?

I'm not saying that there is no way in HELL that Yondie is Naruto's dad, but the evidence just isn't there to back it up.
My opinion is that a part of Yondaime's soul went in there with kyuubi.

[Kamendex]

Hokay. Similar techniques: same Sensei. Similar haircolour: Then you could say Ino's dad is his father. They act the same way: So Konohamaru is Naruto's son?
Naruto doesnt know any Yamanaka clan moves, nor does he share a sensei with anyone from the Yamanaka clan, and Inoichi has dirty blonde hair, only Naruto, Ino and Yondaime have that type of blonde...

I'm not saying that there is no way in HELL that Yondie is Naruto's dad, but the evidence just isn't there to back it up.

There is sooo much evidence, just look at the Rasengan

My opinion is that a part of Yondaime's soul went in there with kyuubi.

Why would you say that, Naruto was blonde before he had Kyuubi sealed in him

[DypHal]

XD
I didn't mean the haircolor when it comes to Yondaime and Naruto, I meant personalitywise.
The whole Inoichi deal was a joke, the Rasengan simply CAN'T be used as an argument, Yondaime created it, Naruto learned it because Jiraiya, Yondaime's teacher taught it to him.

And how do we know that Naruto's hair was blonde before Yondaime sealed kyuubi? The first pictures we see of Naruto were when he had his seal on :P

[Kamendex]

We see his picture as a kid in the anime in a room full of candles

[rarr]

We see him *just* after the seal was put on him, in the room of candles.

Oh, and this was around 7 pages back but...Orochimaru's arms turned purple and essentially unusuable because they are in a Japanese equivalent of Hell...Shinigami's stomach. Presumably, Sarutobi is duking it out against them and hanging with the Fourth.

[Nihongaeri]

People will always debate over what the relation of Naruto and the Forth is, until it is actually revealed that is... but here's some food for thought.

The Forth's name has yet to be revealed.

Yes, yes, I realize everybody already knows that, but consider it for a moment. Ask yourself *why* the name hasn't been revealed yet. The only logical conclusion that I can come up with is that just by revealing the name, something very important would also be revealed. And if that's the case, the only thing that would make sense, IMO, is that it would reveal a relationship of some sort between Naruto and the Forth...

On that note, I'll just repost my speculation from the previous page...


http://www.thehiddenlounge.com/yondaime.png... Yeah!!! Let me add to the pointless speculation!!!

珂矢久 'kayaku'

Cuz... Umm... It's something you might put in ramen, just like "naruto". I actually ran into this one on a Japanese site. It seems to be somewhat likely to me, to be honest...

[ShounenSuki]

Couldn't the scroll say Chidori? I don't mean 千鳥, but 知友里. This name is written with the kanji for "Wise", "Friend", and "Village". It seems like the perfect name for the Yondaime.

In the Kakashi Gaiden, Kakashi says about the Chidori: "It [the name of the jutsu] is the same as Sensei's Toorina" (先生の通り名と同じですよ)

Kakashi uses the word 通り名, meaning "One's common or popular name", so it might not be the Yondaime's true name, but it is his most commenly used name.

[Tord]

Hmmm intresting theory, but if the 4th was naruto father woulden the frog boss have reacted when he had heard naruto's name?

[4th_Hokage]

Somehow I know that Yondaime Hokage is related to Naruto in some way (he actually could be his father, Older brother or uncle) Why? Well "Naruto The Anime" is very "1,2,3-FisherPrice" (simple, colorful and easy to associate elements between themselves) Again, Why? First of all, nearly every gennin, has a father or a mother who looks just like him/her and this parent will have his son or daughter entire or fragmented name as part of theirs. (ex. Nara Shikamaru, Shikaku, Yamanaka Ino, Inoichi; Akimichi Chouji, Chouza; Aburame Shino, Shibi & Hyuuga Hinata, Hiashi). So, if we follow these facts, so far we could say that, yes, Naruto and Yondaime look alike, but we need more details about Yondaime's First and Last Name in order to stop speculating. I bet my SNES (jajajaja) that Naruto is Yondaime's son.
But then again, we have characters like Hatake Kakashi, that had a father with a diferent first name: Hatake Sakumo. Other example: Hyuuga Neji his father name is Hyuuga Hisashi. So neither of those things are reliable, the name nor the physique, by themselves. The only proof would be a "Dialog Bubble" cotaining the following statement, "Naruto, the Yondaime Hokage
(--"Uzumaki Something"--), is your relative!!! (father, older brother or uncle... Lord Vader sound effects)".

[Anax]

Having read all 12 pages at 5:45 I don't feel well at all but I'll try nonetheless to sum up all that has been said (again and again) or at least what makes more sense to me.

It is undeniable that the name between Naruto's and Jiraya's is Yondaime's.
Gama Bunta said so when Naruto called him and also Jiraya said that he was his disciple (1+1=2).
It is possible that the scroll read Yondaime.
It is possible that Kishimoto added an illegible name to avoid a plot hole.
We could still ask someone who is japanese and has japanese grandparents to have them try and translate this, though as someone said, it will probably be the case already in Japan.

There really is no solid evidence as to Naruto being the son of Yondaime, apart from the easiness with which he picked up Rasengan (though Yondaime created it all by himself, Jiraya wasn't there to whisper hints in his ear), yet more importantly the similarity between the two.
As for Arashi and Yondaime and the whole fan-plotting... Someone already said that there should be two spaces on the scross, one for Arashi and one for Yondaime or else Yondaime's name would be missing. Someone else already said it'd be too hard to control Kyuubi which is awfully true. After all if anyone had the power to control Kyuubi they could anihilate the whole of Konoha village! On my note, if Arashi did all those things he should be an old man now! Do you think Kishimoto would force another old character upon us except Chiyo? On another note, someone stronger than the Konohaw Yellow Flash, someone who can control Kyuubi lies forgotten? Or perhaps he is thought dead... I don't know, this theory doesn't feel right, perhaps if it was tweaked a little...

What weirds me out is this: No one ever said anything about an Uzumaki clan. If Naruto belonged to a clan with a name other than Uzumaki (the family name of his parent's) then he should have kept that. Why whould he get a new name, seemingly after the seal in his belly?
Assuming Naruto had no paren'ts, hence no clan, where does he come from and was her really named Uzumaki because of the seal?

About the sealing jutsu making the user young again... well, there's so much we don't know about the jutsu, still I'll say this. When Sarutobi foush Orochimaru he was worried that the latter would call "him"! If Sarutobi accepts Yondaime as dead he should be, after all wouldn't Sarutobi know if anything had happened?

Right now my mind got stuck and I have to stop, hoping I didn't miss anything. I hope I was helpfull.Date-Bayo!!

[OutlawGene]

kayaku (gunpowder, powder) what kishimoto put in the anime

Also

gan gun ( kishimoto doesn't want this in naruto )

Theres other definitions for both of these. But yet these are just keywords that explain 2 things.

Oh yeah and the answer to this forum

arashi storm, tempest

ara (defect, flaw, blemish)
ara oh, ah
ara (flaw, defect)

The scroll had a name written on it that the person who wrote it kinda screwed up and I'm assuming the person couldn't summon but maybe it's there to cover up a name but I don't think Yondaime would have bad hand writing if he was going to be hokage because you have to fill out alot of paperwork.

See I don't exactly remember correctly if naruto made a mistake on writing his name that episode someone check it out I have a hintch I remember that happened otherwise it was from clumsy jairaya when he was younger. or they both made mistakes if I missed saying something.

[OutlawGene]

kayaku (gunpowder, powder) what kishimoto put in the anime

Also

gan gun ( kishimoto doesn't want this in naruto )

That's one of the definitions for gan for sharingan heh thats not the most important ones though.

Theres other definitions for both of these. But yet these are just keywords that explain 2 things.

Oh yeah and the answer to this forum

arashi storm, tempest

ara (defect, flaw, blemish)
ara oh, ah
ara (flaw, defect)

The scroll had a name written on it that the person who wrote it kinda screwed up and I'm assuming the person couldn't summon but maybe it's there to cover up a name but I don't think Yondaime would have bad hand writing if he was going to be hokage because you have to fill out alot of paperwork.

See I don't exactly remember correctly if naruto made a mistake on writing his name that episode someone check it out I have a hintch I remember that happened otherwise it was from clumsy jairaya when he was younger. or they both made mistakes if I missed saying something.

[Hyuuga_Annise]

The scroll had a name written on it that the person who wrote it kinda screwed up and I'm assuming the person couldn't summon but maybe it's there to cover up a name but I don't think Yondaime would have bad hand writing if he was going to be hokage because you have to fill out alot of paperwork.

Firstly... he might have signed the scroll long before he was Hokage, and maybe at the time he didn't have such good handwriting. Secondly, he was writing in blood, with his thumb. I'm sure it'd be quite easy to screw that up, even if you usually have brilliant handwriting... for example, if the 'flow' lessens or quickens for whatever reason, you're gonna have faded or splodgy bits... ergo messy, maybe unreadable. But as long as the frogs know it's you, what does it matter?

I don't really think the name between Naruto's and Jiraiya's can be anyone other than Yondaime... as we already know he was Jiraiya's student and could summon the frogs. However, on the anime translation I was watching, someone had put that the name just before Naruto's was Jiraiya's. However... as Yondaime went into battle on GamaBunta, I think it's fairly certain he could summon, and therefore was on the scroll. If the name was messy, then it's to cover up the name... and unless, for some reason, Kishimoto hasn't thought of one for Yondaime yet (doubtful) then it's for some later revelation, as someone else said.

[ShounenSuki]

Firstly... he might have signed the scroll long before he was Hokage, and maybe at the time he didn't have such good handwriting. Secondly, he was writing in blood, with his thumb. I'm sure it'd be quite easy to screw that up, even if you usually have brilliant handwriting... for example, if the 'flow' lessens or quickens for whatever reason, you're gonna have faded or splodgy bits... ergo messy, maybe unreadable. But as long as the frogs know it's you, what does it matter?

I don't really think the name between Naruto's and Jiraiya's can be anyone other than Yondaime... as we already know he was Jiraiya's student and could summon the frogs. However, on the anime translation I was watching, someone had put that the name just before Naruto's was Jiraiya's. However... as Yondaime went into battle on GamaBunta, I think it's fairly certain he could summon, and therefore was on the scroll. If the name was messy, then it's to cover up the name... and unless, for some reason, Kishimoto hasn't thought of one for Yondaime yet (doubtful) then it's for some later revelation, as someone else said.

I fully agree with you. The Yondaime most likely signed the scroll long before he became Hokage, since he was only Hokage for about a year or so...

I still think the scroll says Chidori though ^^

[brownsm]

yeh this has been dun b4 in a few other threads

[Nihongaeri]

In the Kakashi Gaiden, Kakashi says about the Chidori: "It [the name of the jutsu] is the same as Sensei's Toorina" (先生の通り名と同じですよ)I'd read Kakashi's words there quite a bit differently. I think it's important to take in everything Kakashi says here:

Kakashi:
大勢の敵がいてもこの術なら一瞬でやれます。先生の通り名と同じですよ…
Even if there are a bunch of enemies, with this jutsu I can defeat them in an instant. Just like your alias, sensei...

So, in other words, I read it as Kakashi saying that his new jutsu has the same affect that the alias of Yondaime does. In other words, when people hear Yondaime's alias, "The Yellow Flash of Konoha", they piss in their pants and become defeated.


More importantly perhaps, that scroll is one place where you'd expect someone to use their real name anyway.

[ShounenSuki]

I'd read Kakashi's words there quite a bit differently. I think it's important to take in everything Kakashi says here:

Kakashi:
大勢の敵がいてもこの術なら一瞬でやれます。先生の通り名と同じですよ…
Even if there are a bunch of enemies, with this jutsu I can defeat them in an instant. Just like your alias, sensei...

So, in other words, I read it as Kakashi saying that his new jutsu has the same affect that the alias of Yondaime does. In other words, when people hear Yondaime's alias, "The Yellow Flash of Konoha", they piss in their pants and become defeated.


More importantly perhaps, that scroll is one place where you'd expect someone to use their real name anyway.
heh, I know, I know... You're probably right ^^

I actually thought of this theory when I found out "Chidori" could also be written with the kanji for "Wise", "Friend", and "Village". It just seems to fit the Yondaime perfectly, don't you think ^^

[Kayo]

I don't think it's 4th O_o
There are already a guy name Arashi in Naruto and I don't think they will use the same name on 2 different characters.

[TGC]

i saw a thread like this a while ago on another site and i read somewhere that it was fanbased which means not real... im pretty sure that naruto woulndnt give the name of yondaime that easy...hes the mystery character that we want to know about but just cant...

[KSunny28]

I don't think it's 4th O_o
There are already a guy name Arashi in Naruto and I don't think they will use the same name on 2 different characters.

*ahem* Sarutobi? (sandaime and Asuma)

Regardless of surname or given name, it's one on two different characters.

[ShounenSuki]

I don't think it's 4th O_o
There are already a guy name Arashi in Naruto and I don't think they will use the same name on 2 different characters.
That Arashi is anime filler. I doubt Kishimoto will let that influence him.

Regardless, I can't see any way that scroll could say "Uzumaki Arashi"

Actually, I'm kind of interested in the fourth name on the scroll...
The first three signers are known (Naruto, Yondaime, Jiraiya), but the fourth...
He should be the one who gave Jiraiya the scroll...

[raijin]

That Arashi is anime filler. I doubt Kishimoto will let that influence him.

Regardless, I can't see any way that scroll could say "Uzumaki Arashi"
I agree.

Also, something to point out (if it hasn't been done so already), in the Rasengan's description in the 2nd Character Official Data Book, it is referred to as a 螺旋の嵐 (rasen no arashi) or a "spiral storm".

[Blitzomaru]

Don't you all think that Naruto would have noticed The last name Uzamaki on the scroll when he was signing it? I mean the kid's a can short of a six pack, but he ain't retarded enough to not notice if he shares the last name with the last person to sign that scroll. i know he was anxious to sign it and all, but even so, he's gotta notice that...

[ShounenSuki]

Don't you all think that Naruto would have noticed The last name Uzamaki on the scroll when he was signing it? I mean the kid's a can short of a six pack, but he ain't retarded enough to not notice if he shares the last name with the last person to sign that scroll. i know he was anxious to sign it and all, but even so, he's gotta notice that...
Although I sincerily doubt the scroll says Uzumaki, this is actually explainable. Th e scroll is signed in kanji, and Naruto has been shown to be less then good in reading kanji ^^
Just in case you're wondering, although it has probably been said already, Uzumaki Arashi is 渦巻嵐 in Kanji, with the first two kanji being Uzumaki.

Also, something to point out (if it hasn't been done so already), in the Rasengan's description in the 2nd Character Official Data Book, it is referred to as a 螺旋の嵐 (rasen no arashi) or a "spiral storm".
Another thing to point out, the full sentence of that description is 手中に渦巻く螺旋の嵐 (Shuchuu ni uzumaku rasen no arashi). In English "A swirling spiral storm in one's hand"

[Ulquiorra Schiffer]

I'm 98% positive that the other name on the Frog Summoning Scroll was illegible. It was a prank by the subbers that was admitted by ANBU-Aone (At least I remember hearing that). I don't think Naruto would have been smart enough to notice because I don't think highly of him, but in all honesty who could be that dumb. I know some dumb people but damn that's ignorant. Anyways, I think this is a myth that can be put to rest. I will try to find a link so I can prove it but until then I'm pretty sure that ANBU-Aone cleared things up.

That's pretty cool about the Rasengan thing in the databook. My dream is to be able to read, write, and speak all forms of Japanese...LOL. Just a dream though. Probably won't amount to anything.